Class 707 to Southeastern Dates

[Bigfoot]

There are 18 swr unit diagrams (9 pairs) in the September timetable through to December with 4 units spare each day Monday to Friday. Read into that what you will.

 

[Chiltern006]

what are the diagrams?

 

[Andy1673]

what are the diagrams?

Weekdays diagrams (in pairs) start as
5U07 Wimbledon depot
5S10 Staines CHS
5H07 Wimbledon depot
5H11 Strawberry Hill depot
5U05 Strawberry Hill depot
5H01 Clapham Yard
5V03 Clapham Yard
5H87 Waterloo
2U08 Windsor&Eton Riverside

(RTT helps working out each diagram)

10th diagram (starting as 5H90 off Wimbledon depot) no longer pair of 707s but pair of 455s (was 10 cars now 8)

 

[Chiltern006]

ohh I meant the se ones but ok ahaha

 

[Doomotron]

According to the new timetable, from the 12th of September the 707s will begin service.

 

[Andy1673]

ohh I meant the se ones but ok ahaha

Nope these are remaining SWR ones )

 

[Mikey C]

City Beam???

A bit desperate really, rebranding them like that. Where does "beam" come from anyway?

 

[Chiltern006]

maybe because it beams you into the heart of London

 

[cnjb8]

City Beam???

A bit desperate really, rebranding them like that. Where does "beam" come from anyway?

I really do not understand the recent obsession with TOCs giving a name to a new class of train. Does SE really need to do this?

 

[K.o.R]

New livery looks very smart, but they definitely should have had just the middle panel be yellow (or, yes, the light blue of the doors) like on the 700s. The not-quite-lined-up bits around the headlights just look odd.

 

[Class 466]

5Z20 WAT - Grove Park CSD

Realtime Trains - 5Z20 0015 London Waterloo to Grove Park C.S.D.

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

5Z21 Grove Park CSD - Gillingham Depot

Realtime Trains - 5Z21 1748 Grove Park C.S.D. to Gillingham E.M.U.D.

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[bb21]

There are 18 swr unit diagrams (9 pairs) in the September timetable through to December with 4 units spare each day Monday to Friday. Read into that what you will.

Read nothing.

Diagrams can be "VSTP-ed" (so to speak) on an ongoing basis for the remainder of the TT period.

 

[Mikey C]

I really do not understand the recent obsession with TOCs giving a name to a new class of train. Does SE really need to do this?

Especially as they're not brand new, and in relative terms, a minor number of "new" trains anyway

 

[cnjb8]

Especially as they're not brand new, and in relative terms, a minor number of "new" trains anyway

Yes that is true. Do SE want people to say ‘I’m on the new City Beam into Victoria!’, because I don’t think most would do that

 

[markyl]

Introducing the City Beam train – new for Southeastern passengers​

Introducing the City Beam | Southeastern

With more people set to return to rail in the coming months we are getting ready to introduce the first City Beam trains onto our Metro routes.

www.southeasternrailway.co.uk

 

[Class 466]

Introducing the City Beam train – new for Southeastern passengers​

Introducing the City Beam | Southeastern

With more people set to return to rail in the coming months we are getting ready to introduce the first City Beam trains onto our Metro routes.

www.southeasternrailway.co.uk

They've basically just replaced 'Class 707' on that and added a basic word art style logo

 

[Bigfoot]

Read nothing.

Diagrams can be "VSTP-ed" (so to speak) on an ongoing basis for the remainder of the TT period.

Seems like a lot of work to create diagrams for them if you know they are going to disappear. Especially given that the Sept-Dec timetable/crew/unit diagrams have just been released.

 

[bb21]

Seems like a lot of work to create diagrams for them if you know they are going to disappear. Especially given that the Sept-Dec timetable/crew/unit diagrams have just been released.

The diagrams won't need to be redone. On an interim basis, they will just be short-formed. When they are all gone, at the next timetable round most can just be assigned a different diagram number relevant to whatever stock is booked.

There isn't really a perfect solution when the trains are scheduled to gradually disappear every few weeks during a timetable period. Either that or diagram them for 455s and long-form with 707s on an ongoing basis, but don't forget overall LTP capacity will then be affected and the paymasters probably won't be too happy with it.

At least with short-forms you can then seek derogations for them.

 

[urpert]

They've basically just replaced 'Class 707' on that and added a basic word art style logo

I wish they'd replace that terrible Connex-era line diagram too.

 

[ComUtoR]

According to the new timetable, from the 12th of September the 707s will begin service.

Not in service from the 12th. That's just the generic date for the timetable change.

 

[Doomotron]

Not in service from the 12th. That's just the generic date for the timetable change.

I should have phrased it better. What I meant was closer to "From the 12th of September, the Class 707s will start to begin service."

 

[fgwrich]

Introducing the City Beam train – new for Southeastern passengers​

Introducing the City Beam | Southeastern

With more people set to return to rail in the coming months we are getting ready to introduce the first City Beam trains onto our Metro routes.

www.southeasternrailway.co.uk

I reckon that'll last as long as the equally irritating "Zephyr" did with Grand Central. It wasn't long before they officially returned to labelling them "Adelante" again.

 

[ScotGG]

With the 707s replacing so few old and tired 465s, from what I've seen a lot are scoffing at the attempt at branding.

If it was entire replacement I could get the new branding, but it's a bit laughable for just a few trains. It's trying to pull the wool over the eyes when it achieves little overall.

 

[ScottGallagher]

With the 707s replacing so few old and tired 465s, from what I've seen a lot are scoffing at the attempt at branding.

If it was entire replacement I could get the new branding, but it's a bit laughable for just a few trains. It's trying to pull the wool over the eyes when it achieves little overall.

Might not be an issue as going by SE tradition and their lack of interest on upkeep on these lines, the local scrotes will make sure the 707s are transitioned to Networker standard within months

 

[Mikey C]

With the 707s replacing so few old and tired 465s, from what I've seen a lot are scoffing at the attempt at branding.

If it was entire replacement I could get the new branding, but it's a bit laughable for just a few trains. It's trying to pull the wool over the eyes when it achieves little overall.

Especially as anyone going inside a 707 will realise it's basically the same (in layman's terms) as the existing Thameslink trains, which anyone on the Greenwich or North Kent lines will already be familiar with

 

[43102EMR]

With the 707s replacing so few old and tired 465s, from what I've seen a lot are scoffing at the attempt at branding.

If it was entire replacement I could get the new branding, but it's a bit laughable for just a few trains. It's trying to pull the wool over the eyes when it achieves little overall.

They are a lot more different inside and out to the trains they are replacing, and it is a good way to excite passengers to come back to the railways and travel by train; although the choice of brand name does confuse me.

I do believe your point is valid though in the sense that it is only for a small minority of SE’s metro fleet - hopefully this is a sign they’ll order more once it’s time to replace the Networkers and 376s.

 

[KC1]

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned him, but I think Network Nathan on Youtube is a really refreshing change from some of the rail types on there.

Indeed, I enjoyed that video.

So like the 376s, these won’t go near Victoria, any reasons why this is the case? I have looked for reasonable answers but can’t seem to find any.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

They are a lot more different inside and out to the trains they are replacing, and it is a good way to excite passengers to come back to the railways and travel by train; although the choice of brand name does confuse me.

I do believe your point is valid though in the sense that it is only for a small minority of SE’s metro fleet - hopefully this is a sign they’ll order more once it’s time to replace the Networkers and 376s.

SE bidders were proposing new fleets for the franchise change not the 707's so just as well DofT sent them over there as they won't be getting anymore new stock for several years although I suspect Steve White will persuade DofT to allow a limited Networker refresh given the state some of them have got in.

 

[DA1]

So like the 376s, these won’t go near Victoria, any reasons why this is the case?

The stations en route to Victoria are mostly limited to 8 car formations so whilst they can “technically” run a 5 car its very, very unlikely.

 

[Class 466]

SE bidders were proposing new fleets for the franchise change not the 707's so just as well DofT sent them over there as they won't be getting anymore new stock for several years although I suspect Steve White will persuade DofT to allow a limited Networker refresh given the state some of them have got in.

At least one SE bidder was taking on new trains and keeping 707s for outer suburban work