QSK19
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Dare I stake a quid on 2027?!
Surely it’s not possible…
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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates
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Maybe they’re all looking for other jobs - potentially abroad - and are therefore “checking out”? I would be in their situation. That’s not something those of us who want UK manufacturing to succeed should crow about, though. We should be asking how we got here…
QSK19
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The story of the East Midlands TOC really - always treated like a third class citizen. Never the bride nor the maid of honour, only a bridesmaid at best.
I lose hope as every day goes by. I have gone from being really enthusiastic about these 810s to seeing them as a damp squib - 222s with knackered interiors seem more appealing!
Very worrying indeed. The idea of entry into passenger service in autumn ‘25 increasingly seems “optimistic”…
Genuinely surprises me why First group gave another order! Although for fleet unity I understand it.Dare I stake a quid on 2027?!
But when a current project a several years late. Why would you order from that company!?
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Reminds me of when the 56s were being built in Romania. Inspected, points pointed out with wheat needed to be done to be rectified, and they still kept coming with the same faults, as come what may they were going to build them to the original plans they had, even if some of the plans were wrong.
QSK19
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Because it’s the easy way unfortunately. Granted the 810s are very different to 80x; however Hitachi were seen as the default IC supplier, so EMR (or DfT?!) went with the safe, uninspired option.
But here we are - nothing can be done at this point and hopefully we see them within the next thousand years!
STINT47
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Would it be possible to cancel the order at this stage and place a new one with another manufacturer?
I'm loosing faith in the units reliability when they do eventually start in service. Better to go with something else.
I'm loosing faith in the units reliability when they do eventually start in service. Better to go with something else.
Cancelling the order years after contracts have been signed, after Hitachi have spent years developing them, and are a substantial part of the way into the build?
Seems “doubtful”, to put it politely…
Give them a chance - they haven’t turned a wheel in passenger service yet! They’ll do well if they can ever match the 222s in reliability terms, admittedly.
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Trainbike46
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First of course did order the existing 80x design, not the new 810 design - and the most recent deliveries of the existing design (for Avanti) appear to be doing much better, which is hopeful for the First open-access operation.
I suspect a lot of the 810 issues are related to the fact that the former AnsaldoBreda plant was involved.
I'm sure the issues will be resolved
But the existing design was assembles using shells which were made in Japan.
This new first group order will be made utilising carriages fully made at Newton Aycliffe……where the build quality issues are ‘apparently’ not good, since they started welding the carriages themselves.
irish_rail
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Too be honest it hasn't caused any issues on GWR , I'm yet to hear an instructor moan too much about the view, although I do agree it isn't great design.
And swapped from something close to 7006 (but not actually 7006 hence SCC issues on the early 80x, "close but not" being cheap to avoid patent/licensing issues and source locally in Japan) to 6xxx alloy for the 810 which will weld differently - should be easier but it will be different.
TT-ONR-NRN
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That’s largely the problem though
That’s largely the problem though
They have a perfect reliability record so far - not a single failure yet
.Maybe some instructors prefer not to look
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That rather reminds me of the time a few months into the EMT franchise when a very senior manager told me “158865 is our most reliable train - hasn’t failed yet!”, followed by a pause for effect, then “Because it hasn’t left the depot.”They have a perfect reliability record so far - not a single failure yet
DaveyJones
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Wikipedia suggests some of Avanti's units were also Welded at Newton Aycliffe
That’s good to hear however the 810 window is quite a bit smaller in the first place so here’s hoping it’s not all that bad!
Perhaps they have. But if Hitachi / EMR don’t comment, what can they write about?
So already better than the 701sThey have a perfect reliability record so far - not a single failure yet
AndrewJM70
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I am talking about the management rather than the workers.
Trainbike46
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I guess we could have repeated articles pointing out the obvious fact that they're not yet in passenger service - though who would read an article that low on information is a mystery to me
Same there, just the act of bringing in new management comes with disruption, especially when keen to introduce a 'new broom'.
Nicholas Lewis
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They need to dial up a bit of investigative journalism rather than waiting for EMR or Hitachi to break cover
YorksLad12
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Trade press aren’t the people you need to interest. If you could get a couple of Metro Mayors to put out a release saying that, say, the delays in introducing the new fleet are inhibiting investment in the region, it gets wider coverage.
The Post Office Horizon IT scandal got plenty of trade coverage for years. Didn’t make a difference until the story became an ITV drama and was put in front of a much larger audience..
The Post Office Horizon IT scandal got plenty of trade coverage for years. Didn’t make a difference until the story became an ITV drama and was put in front of a much larger audience..
Whilst true, that was a rather different order of magnitude in terms of seriousness.
YorksLad12
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True. My point was that trade press coverage doesn’t always equal public understanding.
(Sorry for drifting off-topic.)
Absolutely. Similarly, trade press coverage doesn’t always equal the actualité.