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What about those with genuine allergies, do you think they should just stay at home too?
Many things in the outside world can set off allergies - pollen, insects, dust etc - you as an individual can mitigate as far as possible (eg moving away from a dog) but you can't expect other people to make massive compromises for something like that.
 
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I've only been on the train network once with my mums mongrel dog a few years ago. I used Northern & Merseyrail services that day.

Northern were fine - I checked with guard first and she was more than happy to let me on board.

Merseyrail were okay - but did stress that I was to keep the dog off the seats. Given that MR fine passengers for putting anything other than backsides on seats, I suppose it was purely common sense at the end of the day.

She is a very quite & placid dog anyway - there's no way I would ever use the rail service with a lively aggressive dog.

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From the web: "Traditionally, dogs are considered haram, or forbidden, in Islam as they are thought of as dirty."

Many years ago my children had a pet dog, and we encountered the above when getting on a train with our dog. Some Muslims already on board were most put out by us getting on "their train", with our, on short lead, Jack Russell terrier. We all survived the journey to Birmingham, and I'd forgotten about it until reading this thread.
 

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What about animals that decide to travel of their own accord? before lockdown I was sat in a carriage at Blackpool North and a pigeon walked in. Doors closed, train set off, ticketless pigeon. Picked it up, kept it company and released it at the first stop, Preston. After all, it didn't have a return ticket.

Must be loads of occasions cats, dogs and other wildlife has boarded a train owner-less!
 

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What about animals that decide to travel of their own accord? before lockdown I was sat in a carriage at Blackpool North and a pigeon walked in. Doors closed, train set off, ticketless pigeon. Picked it up, kept it company and released it at the first stop, Preston. After all, it didn't have a return ticket.

Perhaps it was a racing pigeon that was trying to cheat ;)
 

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This is surely a wind up.

As for "other" allergies... Just in case someone has a nut allergy are you (and this is a serious question) advocating a blanket ban on snacks which might trigger their allergy?
Likewise, for someone like myself with an allergy to dust mites, should we go round hoovering and deep cleaning all the seats and carpets that are full of them at every station stop? Of course not! Sensibility must prevail. There are many different antihistamines out there, and those with allergies are able to take appropriate action in order to relieve their symptoms, be it to dogs, cats, pollen, dust, dust mites or any other allergens.
 

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You know what? This thread was always going to settle down into some kind of dog-person vs non-dog-person stand off! Has anyone ever seen a cat on a lead on a train (rather than in a basket)? Or a frog?!
 

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In nearly 30 years of travelling pass in my job, I would say exactly the opposite !! animals welcome, Humans not !!!!, I have yet to see animals etch "graffiti in train windows, nor deface or otherwise trash a carriage. I have yet to see a race special/seaside special be taken out of service due to what an animal has done. I have never seen a colleague abused by an animal because of lateness/overcrowding etc.

All dogs I have seen are better behaved than most children, and indeed some adults
Yes, very much so. If someone really has a dislike of animals, they can easily go to another part of the train. Ive never had any unruly animals on my train, however, ive had plenty of unruly passengers.

You know what? This thread was always going to settle down into some kind of dog-person vs non-dog-person stand off! Has anyone ever seen a cat on a lead on a train (rather than in a basket)? Or a frog?!
Yes. There was an elderly couple that travelled regularly every week, and they had an 11 year old Siamese cat on a lead. Was on my train often. Very friendly cat. Spent the whole journey with its paws on the window ledge watching out of the window.
 
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You know what? This thread was always going to settle down into some kind of dog-person vs non-dog-person stand off! Has anyone ever seen a cat on a lead on a train (rather than in a basket)? Or a frog?!

I have seen ferrets and even a rabbit on a lead on trains.
 

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This is the comedy thread of the day. Now, how do people feel about horses on trains...

(Wrexham General, about 2009)
 

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This is the comedy thread of the day. Now, how do people feel about horses on trains...

(Wrexham General, about 2009)
As much as I love horses, I wouldn't be too happy with a horse on a train. They are much too easily frightened, with sudden movements and loud sounds often startling them, which may result in bucking, rearing, etc. Obviously, if a horse were to get spooked on a train, both the horse and the passengers would be put at risk, not to mention the potential damage caused onboard the train.

I can just picture some small child running down an aisle on a train, spooking a horse. As much as the parents should be controlling their child, situations like this would be incredibly dangerous. Recently, as I was leading a horse in, a pony came cantering down the hill, and my horse went absolutely crazy and wouldn't stop kicking! Thank God we were in the field at the time - if in an enclosed space, the outcome would have been very different...

Although, I did read somewhere that they were training a miniature horse as a guide animal on the Tyne and Wear Metro. If I ever needed some sort of assistance animal, I'd certainly opt for a horse or pony if the option were available - never been a fan of dogs, particularly on trains, if I'm honest.

Edit: Here it is. :)https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metr...rides-train-prepares-life-london-9257621/amp/
 

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As much as I love horses, I wouldn't be too happy with a horse on a train. They are much too easily frightened, with sudden movements and loud sounds often startling them, which may result in bucking, rearing, etc. Obviously, if a horse were to get spooked on a train, both the horse and the passengers would be put at risk, not to mention the potential damage caused onboard the train.

I can just picture some small child running down an aisle on a train, spooking a horse. As much as the parents should be controlling their child, situations like this would be incredibly dangerous. Recently, as I was leading a horse in, a pony came cantering down the hill, and my horse went absolutely crazy and wouldn't stop kicking! Thank God we were in the field at the time - if in an enclosed space, the outcome would have been very different...

Although, I did read somewhere that they were training a miniature horse as a guide animal on the Tyne and Wear Metro. If I ever needed some sort of assistance animal, I'd certainly opt for a horse or pony if the option were available - never been a fan of dogs, particularly on trains, if I'm honest.

Edit: Here it is. :)https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metr...rides-train-prepares-life-london-9257621/amp/

Surely a horse is too big and too hazardous to travel in a passenger carriage, so would have to travel in a carriage designed to house horses, the railway equivalent of a horse box.

The spooking thing is what makes me nervous when cycling on country lanes and encountering horse riders. I've had one or two oncoming horses spook on me. The solution is to get off the bike and stand up, look like a non-threatening human, and talk to the rider.
 

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Buses take pets, trains take pets, I have even flown with cat and dogs in the cabin.

I don't see the problem, if they are too close for comfort, move away.
Fine. But there has to be an understanding that no dogs are allowed on the seats, the owner has to try to silence them if they start to make noise, they are not allowed to run around the carriage (though that's fairly rare), and preferably they should not be allowed on at peak times (because then it's crowded enough that you can't just "move away").

I'd also support charging for them. I don't see why they should go for free if they are taking up space on the train. Maybe they could be charged at a third of the adult fare, something like that.

All of this is of course with the important exception of assistance animals.
 

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What about animals that decide to travel of their own accord? before lockdown I was sat in a carriage at Blackpool North and a pigeon walked in. Doors closed, train set off, ticketless pigeon. Picked it up, kept it company and released it at the first stop, Preston. After all, it didn't have a return ticket.

Must be loads of occasions cats, dogs and other wildlife has boarded a train owner-less!
Videos all over YouTube of pigeons using the Tube! I wonder if they were charged a PF at the barrier for not having a valid authority to travel ;).
 

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What about animals that decide to travel of their own accord? before lockdown I was sat in a carriage at Blackpool North and a pigeon walked in. Doors closed, train set off, ticketless pigeon. Picked it up, kept it company and released it at the first stop, Preston. After all, it didn't have a return ticket.

Must be loads of occasions cats, dogs and other wildlife has boarded a train owner-less!
Crikey, how did the pigeon get past the barrier staff at Blackpool North...!
 

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Fine. But there has to be an understanding that no dogs are allowed on the seats, the owner has to try to silence them if they start to make noise, they are not allowed to run around the carriage (though that's fairly rare), and preferably they should not be allowed on at peak times (because then it's crowded enough that you can't just "move away").

I'd also support charging for them. I don't see why they should go for free if they are taking up space on the train. Maybe they could be charged at a third of the adult fare, something like that.

All of this is of course with the important exception of assistance animals.
At no point has anyone advocated having dogs in seats. Clearly they should be under or between seats or in vestibules, if they aren't allowed seats how are they taking up space and should be charged
 

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At no point has anyone advocated having dogs in seats. Clearly they should be under or between seats or in vestibules, if they aren't allowed seats how are they taking up space and should be charged
Great. Let's allow standing passengers to travel without a ticket then, and we'll see how that goes.

Charging for dogs is standard policy on most heritage railways and some bus routes anyway, it's not like it's anything new.
 

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Great. Let's allow standing passengers to travel without a ticket then, and we'll see how that goes.
No because the rules say all passengers must have a valid ticket

The rules only state pets must have a valid ticket if required, which they aren't. So , you are just making your opinion which counts for nothing. Rules and regulations and bye laws matter, not your opinion, People must have tickets simple. Dogs don't have to
 

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No because the rules say all passengers must have a valid ticket

The rules only state pets must have a valid ticket if required, which they aren't. So , you are just making your opinion which counts for nothing. Rules and regulations and bye laws matter, not your opinion, People must have tickets simple. Dogs don't have to
You are misunderstanding my point.

I am arguing that dogs should be required to have tickets. Not that they are required to have tickets. I know that currently they are allowed to travel for free, but I would support changing that.
 
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