ECML Disruption 02/11 - Huntingdon / Edinburgh

[flitwickbeds]

1Z99 appears to be back alongside 9J42

2Z99 now at Huntingdon station. (Edit - just moved to behind 1Z99)

Does 9J47 need rescuing too? It appears to have been in the same place for about 4 and a half hours.


EDIT
2Z99 now heading back towards St Neots.
1Z99 still alongside 9J42

 

[londonmidland]

The issue at Edinburgh is also subsequently affecting Avanti West Coast services, due to train crew displacements.

Some services are being terminated at Preston and/or being diverted to Glasgow, however even these services are subject to delays and cancellations.

 

[800001]

1Z99 appears to be back alongside 9J42

2Z99 now at Huntingdon station. (Edit - just moved to behind 1Z99)

Does 9J47 need rescuing too? It appears to have been in the same place for about 4 and a half hours.

Both need rescuing.
There is no OhL power, Up like has damage, but ohl is isolated on both lines.

 

[Banham7]

Mk4 set in platform 0 at Kings Cross apparently being thunderbird hauled north via Cambridge.

After passage of 1S31 at Huntingdon, no more passengers service will be allowed through.

This appears to be the case, 0Z99 routed into Platform 0.

 

[snookertam]

Someone may correct me here, but it seems rather alarming that one fuse, no matter how big, can completely disable all operations at a station like Edinburgh Waverley. What about a back up or an alternative? Edinburgh Waverley is the second largest station in the country for entries and exits, and the largest when you combine that with interchange. This all sounds pretty horrendous.

 

[hexagon789]

Someone may correct me here, but it seems rather alarming that one fuse, no matter how big, can completely disable all operations at a station like Edinburgh Waverley. What about a back up or an alternative? Edinburgh Waverley is the second largest station in the country for entries and exits, and the largest when you combine that with interchange. This all sounds pretty horrendous.

Network Rail say Telecoms fault rather than 'fuse'...

We suspect that this outage has been caused by a Telecomms fault and a specialist engineer has been dispatched. They are expected to arrive at the fault location at around 1900 and will begin fault finding.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We suspect that this outage has been caused by a Telecomms fault and a specialist engineer has been dispatched. They are expected to arrive at the fault location at around 1900 and will begin fault finding.</p>&mdash; Network Rail Scotland (@NetworkRailSCOT) <a href="https://twitter.com/NetworkRailSCOT/status/1720142122123157661?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">November 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[800001]

Someone may correct me here, but it seems rather alarming that one fuse, no matter how big, can completely disable all operations at a station like Edinburgh Waverley. What about a back up or an alternative? Edinburgh Waverley is the second largest station in the country for entries and exits, and the largest when you combine that with interchange. This all sounds pretty horrendous.

Believed to be Resonate signalling equipment rather than a fuse that is causing the issue since the power failure.

 

[Starmill]

Someone may correct me here, but it seems rather alarming that one fuse, no matter how big, can completely disable all operations at a station like Edinburgh Waverley. What about a back up or an alternative? Edinburgh Waverley is the second largest station in the country for entries and exits, and the largest when you combine that with interchange. This all sounds pretty horrendous.

I think a blown fuse is probably a euphemism for some hardware damage by the sounds of it.

 

[800001]

I think a blown fuse is probably a euphemism for some hardware damage by the sounds of it.

Initially it was thought it was a fuse, hence why that reason keeps getting repeated, however after that was changed and signalling was still not restored, the belief is now it is the Resonante signalling equipment.

 

[snookertam]

Thanks for the replies, I did think that was a bit of a wild explanation. I guess we will need to wait until the inevitable inquest, but it does still seem concerning that such a catastrophic failure could occur.

 

[ST156]

This appears to be the case, 0Z99 routed into Platform 0.

0Z99 has just been routed back out of platform 0, so assume the Mk4 set will remain at KGX for the time being.

 

[800001]

0Z99 has just been routed back out of platform 0, so assume the Mk4 set will remain at KGX for the time being.

Will stable over night, no one available to prep the set

 

[High Dyke]

I did think it was a bit odd the wire scrapers were allowed to sail along the fasts today whilst my 158 was restricted to 40 from Stoke Junction to Greatford and also apparently banned from the fast lines!

Perhaps they got jittery after the EMR failure at Tapton Jn yesterday.

 

[Julia]

Does 9J47 need rescuing too? It appears to have been in the same place for about 4 and a half hours.

Does anything not electric powered routinely carry an adapter to couple to a 700 set?

For much of the evening Thameslink control were telling passengers they would be reversing the 9Jxx services at St Neots to keep things moving, but none appeared to do so; two that made it north of Hitchin just went out of service, and the rest were all cancelled at short notice in the London area. Seems like there is very little resilience at the moment - in the past have experienced services turning north->south at both Biggleswade and St Neots, and south->north at Stevenage, to maintain a basic level of service despite big failures.

Most of us switched to the Midland line, and Bedford and St Neots taxis were doing well tonight!

 

[flitwickbeds]

So are both 9J42 and 9J47 empty of passengers now? I only saw a rescue train alongside 9J42.

 

[800001]

So are both 9J42 and 9J47 empty of passengers now? I only saw a rescue train alongside 9J42.

Yes they are both empty, 1Z99 did 9J42 first then went to 9J47, then back to 9J42.

 

[flitwickbeds]

And what about 2G38, 2H44 and 1S41 outside Haymarket/Edinburgh?

 

[800001]

And what about 2G38, 2H44 and 1S41 outside Haymarket/Edinburgh?

1S41 is actually in platform 4 at Waverley.
Unsure where 2G38 is as 2G48 is at South Gyle station and will remain there until signalling restored.

1L82 - 158704 - Stable in Dalmeny Down passenger Loop
2G06 - 158732/ 170395 - Stable in Dalmeny Up Passenger Loop
1L22 - 158711 - Stable in Inverkeithing Yard
1L84 - 170396 - Stable in Inverkeithing Up Passenger Loop
2G40 - 158712 - Stable Rosyth
2G08 - 158736 - Stable Dunfermline City
2G42 - 170411 - Stable Dunfermline Queen Margaret

 

[MadCommuter]

1S41 is actually in platform 4 at Waverley.
Unsure where 2G38 is as 2G48 is at South Gyle station and will remain there until signalling restored.

1L82 - 158704 - Stable in Dalmeny Down passenger Loop
2G06 - 158732/ 170395 - Stable in Dalmeny Up Passenger Loop
1L22 - 158711 - Stable in Inverkeithing Yard
1L84 - 170396 - Stable in Inverkeithing Up Passenger Loop
2G40 - 158712 - Stable Rosyth
2G08 - 158736 - Stable Dunfermline City
2G42 - 170411 - Stable Dunfermline Queen Margaret

I suspect tomorrow morning won't be good either with trains left in unusual places overnight and crew out of hours. Assuming the issue is fixed.

 

[thejuggler]

I should be on a Leeds - Kings Cross service tomorrow morning, return evening but have just requested a refund.

I don't need to go and I'd just spend the day constantly checking the status if my return trip.

 

[800001]

1S41 is actually in platform 4 at Waverley.

I suspect tomorrow morning won't be good either with trains left in unusual places overnight and crew out of hours. Assuming the issue is fixed.

Yeah, trains all over, LNER at Prestonpans, one near Burntisland.
Must be a serious failing of the signalling I’ve not heard of any area go down for this length of time before.

 

[Alanko]

2H44 might now be in the down passing loop at Newbridge, becoming 5H44 in the process.

 

[londonmidland]

Looks like the issues will follow in to tomorrow (Friday 03/11) as well. From LNER's Twitter/X:

We strongly advise you avoid travelling again TOMORROW, Fri 3 Nov We are still awaiting confirmation of repair work, and our trains and crews will be out of place as a result of the disruption this evening We therefore expect significant service alterations and cancellations

 

[hux385]

I'm not quite sure what the issue was in Edinburgh, but the power went out in the actual station momentarily, with station lights and CIS then rebooting. Following this we were informed that no trains were to enter or leave the station. The exception being the previously mentioned 1S41 which had been waiting in the Calton Tunnels for at least an hour, so I assume this had special permission to proceed to the station?

 

[Banham7]

801203 is apparently being used as overnight accommodation on Platform 3 at Kings X. Great initiative by LNER for those who may be stuck.

 

[800001]

Signalling has now been restored at Edinburgh.

 

[Toby268]

Signalling has now been restored at Edinburgh.

That’s surprising given the part was apparently coming from London and they were expecting early morning before it would be restored. But yes seems that trains from the east are now in the station. What a day.

 

[SeanG]

I'm off on a weekend European rail trip on the 1104 Eurostar tomorrow, getting the 0612 from Durham down to Kings Cross. Not looking likely I will make it so going to head to Durham station in the morning and ask staff for advice

 

[Strathclyder]

Concerning Edinburgh...

Quickly skimming RTT, a good chunk of the Helensburgh/Milngavie-Edinburgh trains were terminating/starting at Bathgate since at least 1650 this afternoon (makes sense with the stabling yard there) with others unsurprisingly being cancelled outright; 2H44 was the last eastbound service to make it through at 1633 (got as far as Edinburgh Park) and 2M15 the last from Edinburgh at 1741 (started at Haymarket) before everything went totally to pot.

Signalling has now been restored at Edinburgh.

Fully expect the disruption to continue well into tomorrow and maybe even into Saturday, what with displaced stock, crew etc. Certainly one of 'those' days where everything that could go wrong did. Don't envy the staff dealing with the fallout or the passengers caught up in it.

 

[NorthEastern]

Concerning Edinburgh...

Quickly skimming RTT, a good chunk of the Helensburgh/Milngavie-Edinburgh trains were terminating/starting at Bathgate since at least 1650 this afternoon (makes sense with the stabling yard there) with others unsurprisingly being cancelled outright; 2H44 was the last eastbound service to make it through at 1633 (got as far as Edinburgh Park) and 2M15 the last from Edinburgh at 1741 (started at Haymarket) before everything went totally to pot.


Fully expect the disruption to continue well into tomorrow and maybe even into Saturday, displaced stock, crew and so on. Certainly one of 'those' days where everything that could go wrong did. Don't envy the staff dealing with the fallout or the passengers caught up in it.

I was one of those passengers. Luckily TPE managed to source a minibus to transport about 15 pax from EDB to ALM. I think we were one of the first groups to get away. I feel sorry for the hard-pressed staff and the passengers with longer journeys and deadlines.