EMR Class 360's

[swt_passenger]

Is that done automatically by software (eg when class 350s were running East Croydon to Milton Keynes)?

I believe so, it was mentioned back then that they sounded different either side of the traction changeover.

 

[59CosG95]

360112 is unit no. 2 in EMR Connect colours. https://flic.kr/p/2kY7iTV

 

[Aictos]

The long explanation is that the switching frequencies in the inverter used to produce the varying 3 phase traction drive voltages are set up differently when running in AC or DC areas, it’s to prevent the various harmonic frequencies causing interference with other trackside equipment.

Indeed, a good example to use as dual voltage trains are the Thameslink Class 700 fleets as you can tell the difference between when the train is using the OHL to move vs using the 3rd Rail to move, when 3rd rail mode is selected it makes a sound very much like the earlier Class 450s/444s on 3rd rail but also like the earlier Class 350s/360s which obviously are AC units.

The point is that I'm trying to make is the motors make a difference sound depending on the power pickup in use which the quoted poster above has stated.

And with the new timetable coming into play on the 16th May, it means that Luton will only have Siemens rolling stock which are two generations apart stopping all day apart from the single Class 222 service from Melton Mowbray!

 

[Wolfie]

I believe so, it was mentioned back then that they sounded different either side of the traction changeover.

TY

 

[Doomotron]

360112 is unit no. 2 in EMR Connect colours. https://flic.kr/p/2kY7iTV

What's that train in the background?

 

[JonathanH]

What's that train in the background?

An unbranded LNR 350 - eg one of the ones referred to here https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/all-class-350-refurb-updates-and-any-refurb-questions.210538/ as plain grey.

 

[AM9]

I believe so, it was mentioned back then that they sounded different either side of the traction changeover.

It was also discussed in relation to the class 700s 'sound'. They have the warble on DC but a steadier high pitched tone on ac, (much like an Electrostar).

 

[43102EMR]

Seems as though the first official working today starts as a shuttle service between Kettering and Corby, before going onwards to St Pancras for the first time at around 11:49.

 

[43055]

Just updated the diagrams in the EMR diagrams thread. Now has all 360 diagrams as per RTT. Must be some splitting/jointing somewhere as Kettering Stabling Sidings have 4 departures but 5 arrivals on a weekday.

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[swt_passenger]

Seems as though the first official working today starts as a shuttle service between Kettering and Corby, before going onwards to St Pancras for the first time at around 11:49.

It’s going to be a shuttle Sunday mornings until the 1141 off Corby for good, (I see from RTT), that’s just the nature of the Sunday timetable.

Just updated the diagrams in the EMR diagrams thread. Now has all 360 diagrams as per RTT. Must be some splitting/jointing somewhere as Kettering Stabling Sidings have 4 departures but 5 arrivals on a weekday.

(1) EMR diagrams | RailUK Forums (railforums.co.uk)

@JonathanH has just posted in that thread he’s found the split that explains the 5 arrivals.

 

[David Goddard]

Interestingly, or not, NRES is offering a Corby - Kettering first class fare on the 08.48 tomorrow.

That service is a Meridian operating through from Melton Mowbray, so offers First Class
This becomes a through train from tomorrow, joining with the Nottingham train at Kettering.

Interesting to see that the new National Rail Timetable has the EMR Corby trains marked as carrying First Class.
Clearly an error but still misleading to those who use this as a source of timetable information.

 

[Merle Haggard]

That service is a Meridian operating through from Melton Mowbray, so offers First Class
This becomes a through train from tomorrow, joining with the Nottingham train at Kettering.

Interesting to see that the new National Rail Timetable has the EMR Corby trains marked as carrying First Class.
Clearly an error but still misleading to those who use this as a source of timetable information.

Thank you for the info', but the reason I posted about the 08.48 was that, on the day before, it was a 360 shuttle with first class branding removed.

The first class option is a bit odd on NRES in the new timetable. For Wellingborough (where the Melton train calls) , the first class flag (usually at the top of the page) does not appear at all. For Corby, it does appear, but when chosen the only first class fare of the day is that train from Melton. Curiously, the first class passenger's itinerary from Corby has a change at Kettering onto the next Nottingham - St Pancras train (presumably the one that the Melton train actually joins with). But, even more curiously, the itinerary for the first class passenger from Melton on this service is shown as remaining on the train through to St Pancras.




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[westcoaster]

Looks like 1 circuit not running all day due to a train fault. But why all day surely the units can be replaced at Kettering at the first opportunity.

 

[Supercoss]

of the 21
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14 units for traffic ( 8 car formations)
6 units ( 2 x 12 car) stabled Cricklewood - spare - not diagrammed
1 unit for driver training also stabled Cricklewood

 

[westcoaster]

222009 now out on the failed 360 circuit.

 

[43102EMR]

Seems as though there’s been delays and cancellations all day - rode on 360116 and 119 from Kettering to St Pancras with no issues earlier on, although there were some slight delays. From what I’ve seen today, St Pancras platform 1 seems to be dedicated to the Corby services, with one in and out every 15 minutes or so.

 

[swt_passenger]

Seems as though there’s been delays and cancellations all day - rode on 360116 and 119 from Kettering to St Pancras with no issues earlier on, although there were some slight delays. From what I’ve seen today, St Pancras platform 1 seems to be dedicated to the Corby services, with one in and out every 15 minutes or so.

Yes, platform 1 also seems the normal on weekdays, and there’s only a relatively short time between departure and next arrival, so there’ll nearly always be a train to board, unless they close it while cleaning…

 

[43055]

Seems as though there’s been delays and cancellations all day - rode on 360116 and 119 from Kettering to St Pancras with no issues earlier on, although there were some slight delays. From what I’ve seen today, St Pancras platform 1 seems to be dedicated to the Corby services, with one in and out every 15 minutes or so.

RTT shows all Corby 360's use platform 1 with around 20-25 min layover which gives all the intercity services free use of the other platforms. When needed it can move to another platform for example the 1714 departed from platform 3 as the 1644 didn't depart until 1700 today.

 

[edwin_m]

Yes, platform 1 also seems the normal on weekdays, and there’s only a relatively short time between departure and next arrival, so there’ll nearly always be a train to board, unless they close it while cleaning…

Await to see if EMR continue their frequent habit of keeping everyone on the cramped and draughty concourse until a few minutes before departure.

 

[westcoaster]

Seems as though there’s been delays and cancellations all day - rode on 360116 and 119 from Kettering to St Pancras with no issues earlier on, although there were some slight delays. From what I’ve seen today, St Pancras platform 1 seems to be dedicated to the Corby services, with one in and out every 15 minutes or so.

The pair i came home on, had no functioning toilets what so ever. Toilet stops at luton airport and Wellingborough.

 

[DG85]

Await to see if EMR continue their frequent habit of keeping everyone on the cramped and draughty concourse until a few minutes before departure.

Hopefully it will be improved as the red & white barriers used to stop passengers from walking on to the platforms are being removed permanently.

In addition, the continuous flow of Corby services should help minimise the amount of passengers waiting on the concourse.

 

[1Z99]

For those interested, class 360s in operation from today (as at 0200, Monday 17th May 2021) include;

Ex St Pancras

1Y00 0545 STP-COR 360102 / 360112
1Y01 0617 STP-COR 360106 / 360108
1Y03 0647 STP-COR 360114 / 360118
1Y05 0718 STP-COR 360111 / 360117
1Y07 0749 STP-COR 360101 / 360110
1Y09 0817 STP-COR 360116 / 360119

 

[D365]

The point is that I'm trying to make is the motors make a difference sound depending on the power pickup in use which the quoted poster above has stated.

The three-phase traction inverters make the sound. The motors always make the same ”motor” sound.

 

[westcoaster]

For those interested, class 360s in operation from today (as at 0200, Monday 17th May 2021) include;

Ex St Pancras

1Y00 0545 STP-COR 360102 / 360112
1Y01 0617 STP-COR 360106 / 360108
1Y03 0647 STP-COR 360114 / 360118
1Y05 0718 STP-COR 360111 / 360117
1Y07 0749 STP-COR 360101 / 360110
1Y09 0817 STP-COR 360116 / 360119

One diagram or running 7 coaches vs 8. Has one already been meridianized, for the second day running.

 

[43102EMR]

One diagram or running 7 coaches vs 8. Has one already been meridianized, for the second day running.

They have 7 units spare - surely it’s not hard to send 2 units ECS from Cricklewood to St Pancras or Corby?

 

[LowLevel]

One diagram or running 7 coaches vs 8. Has one already been meridianized, for the second day running.

222002 out vice due to a train fault, apparently.

 

[Merle Haggard]

The 360s work as 8 cars, 2 units. Have yesterday's and today's failures affected both units in each case or is leaving a defective unit and running with 4 cars not possible?

 

[westcoaster]

Staff said yesterday's issue was a door fault. I did ask why they couldn't use a spare set but they couldn't answer. So no idea why they would not run 4 vice 8.

 

[Merle Haggard]

Trainspotting with Opentraintimes maps from home...

There's a 5H24 10.28 STP-COR that hotly pursues the Melton train (running in a Corby Electrics path). It is shown as going on top of 1H42 12.11 COR-STP in the single platform at Corby. How does that work? (16 cars...).
It's also odd that 5H24 becomes the rear train and 1H42 the front for the return.

 

[westcoaster]

5H24 becomes 1H42 iirc