First Greater Glasgow

[JumpinTrainz]

I believe so.

When Blantyre and Overtown go electric, I think Yutongs would be the far better option for the 201, 240, etc.

They have the range for at least a full day of workings on those routes.

I imagine Lanarkshire/Dumbarton routes are likely to require a higher range vehicle but then again it is First - it really wouldn’t surprise me if a new order of E200EVs were ordered when the time comes

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

However that still ultimately comes down to average speed, if the average speed is lower then less mileage is covered over the same period of time and therefor the vehicle will be able to stay out longer. It is for that reason that Battery Electric buses tend to be better suited to slower start stop traffic. My point there was just that route length on its own isn't really a factor.

I agree, although waiting times regarding the next generation Enviro400EV wouldn't have made that possible given the delivery deadline for the funding allocated. From what i have heard waiting times for the next generation Enviro100EV and Enviro400EV are still well in to next year and that is for vehicles ordered a considerable time ago. It does confuse me though why they ordered more BYDs especially for the higher mileage routes at Scotstoun when the issues regarding range were already know and equally it was already well known that the Yutong was a much superior product; hence why Aberdeen pushed for them.

You just have to compare the situations in Aberdeen and Glasgow. In Aberdeen the Yutongs are out 20+ hours per day daily and get utilised at all times, contrast that to Glasgow where the BYDs get replaced by 10 year old single deckers and (up to) 15 year old double deckers in the afternoon/evening.

Certainly not what I’ve experienced with First Glasgow's electric buses, they lose charge fairly equally across most routes, irregardless of the pace.

I imagine Lanarkshire/Dumbarton routes are likely to require a higher range vehicle but then again it is First - it really wouldn’t surprise me if a new order of E200EVs were ordered when the time comes

In terms of the routes versus an appropriate bus.

The 240 would be well suited to Yutongs where the charging infrastructure is concerned. I’m not sure of the size of Overtown as I’ve never visited the depot. As for the 267 at Blantyre, I’d personally use the latest Enviro 400NXT; those have better range that the 200BYD and the 267 route can be very crowed at peak times. Of course the 267 route isn’t like the 240 where it has the 61 and 2 helping out along its route.

As for Dumbarton, its routes are an oddity where the 200 BYD buses are concerned, if indeed consistent higher running “all day” long causes range problems. I’m simply saying this because even on only city work it has caused range problems. The out of town work often has higher mileage to boot.

In the medium term, diesels are still the obvious choice for longer distance work, liked or not, it’s still a perfectly viable option for 7 years.

 

[Joerf21]

Certainly not what I’ve experienced with First Glasgow's electric buses, they lose charge fairly equally across most routes, irregardless of the pace.


In terms of the routes versus an appropriate bus.

The 240 would be well suited to Yutongs where the charging infrastructure is concerned. I’m not sure of the size of Overtown as I’ve never visited the depot. As for the 267 at Blantyre, I’d personally use the latest Enviro 400NXT; those have better range that the 200BYD and the 267 route can be very crowed at peak times. Of course the 267 route isn’t like the 240 where it has the 61 and 2 helping out along its route.

As for Dumbarton, its routes are an oddity where the 200 BYD buses are concerned, if indeed consistent higher running “all day” long causes range problems. I’m simply saying this because even on only city work it has caused range problems. The out of town work often has higher mileage to boot.

In the medium term, diesels are still the obvious choice for longer distance work, liked or not, it’s still a perfectly viable option for 7 years.

Not for first glasgow

Certainly not what I’ve experienced with First Glasgow's electric buses, they lose charge fairly equally across most routes, irregardless of the pace.


In terms of the routes versus an appropriate bus.

The 240 would be well suited to Yutongs where the charging infrastructure is concerned. I’m not sure of the size of Overtown as I’ve never visited the depot. As for the 267 at Blantyre, I’d personally use the latest Enviro 400NXT; those have better range that the 200BYD and the 267 route can be very crowed at peak times. Of course the 267 route isn’t like the 240 where it has the 61 and 2 helping out along its route.

As for Dumbarton, its routes are an oddity where the 200 BYD buses are concerned, if indeed consistent higher running “all day” long causes range problems. I’m simply saying this because even on only city work it has caused range problems. The out of town work often has higher mileage to boot.

In the medium term, diesels are still the obvious choice for longer distance work, liked or not, it’s still a perfectly viable option for 7 years.
Not for first glasgow, the have said they wont be buying any more diesel buses

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

Not for first glasgow

Clearly.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Is there a surplus of airport buses? I’ve noticed one has been out of service since April and some stray on to Cumbernauld routes - 33101 being on the X3 today.

 

[E400Lover101]

It seems as if 33104 is back out.

 

[route101]

Is there a surplus of airport buses? I’ve noticed one has been out of service since April and some stray on to Cumbernauld routes - 33101 being on the X3 today.

Is the 500 back to full timetable?

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Does anyone know if 67023-67025 have been permanently transferred to Caledonia or if they are just on loan?

 

[christopherrfc]

Anyone know if Caledonia or Scotstoun depot will be operating the 398 service and what buses will be used.

 

[ScotRail158725]

Anyone know if Caledonia or Scotstoun depot will be operating the 398 service and what buses will be used.

Caledonia and Electric Enviros

 

[jazza374]

Does anyone know if 67023-67025 have been permanently transferred to Caledonia or if they are just on loan?

67026-67028 have joined them now with Blantyre getting much older E300’s. Wonder what the reasoning is behind the swaps.

 

[route101]

I have noticed more single deckers on the X11 service. This service does get busy.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

I have noticed more single deckers on the X11 service. This service does get busy.

I’ve noticed a lot of B9TLs on it as of late.

 

[Trnsprt4Sctlnd]

I’ve noticed a lot of B9TLs on it as of late.

Better suited to high speed routes.

 

[LT02 NVV]

Been a while since I posted here, but I’ve got a few things to ask and that.

1. Why has First Aberdeen King’s Coaches 20613 been tracking on some Glasgow routes for a while now, but I don't know if the bus is actually here (because I haven’t seen it out in service) or some other bus is using its ticket machine?

2. Has the StreetLite 47621 moved to the Caledonia depot now?

3. Are 37238 and 37278 (the last two Yorksire Geminis) ever going to re-enter service? As they have been out for a while now, and I am not sure if they’ll move away to another First Group area like their sister buses once they’ve been fixed up.

 

[Volvodart]

20613 has been in Aberdeen when it has tracked in the past.

 

[LT02 NVV]

20613 has been in Aberdeen when it has tracked in the past.

Oh, so then it’s a tracking error then, as it’s old ticket machine must be in one of Glasgow’s regular buses.

 

[Volvodart]

20613 is not fitted for a ticket machine.

 

[92002]

Oh, so then it’s a tracking error then, as it’s old ticket machine must be in one of Glasgow’s regular buses.

Guess you could add 23330. Don't quite believe it last worked a Glasgow 41 to Easterhouse. Bit of an upgrade.

 

[ScotRail158725]

Been a while since I posted here, but I’ve got a few things to ask and that.

1. Why has First Aberdeen King’s Coaches 20613 been tracking on some Glasgow routes for a while now, but IDK if the bus actually here (cause I haven’t seen it out in service) or some other bus is using it’s ticket machine?

Tracking error

2. Has the StreetLite 47621 moved to the Caledonia depot now?

Yes

3. Are 37238 and 37278 (the last two Yorksire Geminis) ever going to re-enter service? As they have been out for a while now, and I am not sure if they’ll move away to another First Group area like their sister buses once they’ve been fixed up.

37238 is knackered and 37278 was ready to re enter service but hasn’t so plans with that might have changed

 

[LT02 NVV]

37238 is knackered and 37278 was ready to re enter service but hasn’t so plans with that might have changed

They should just rip out 37238 for parts then if it’s broke beyond repair, and maybe use the parts to help fix 37278 for re-service.



Speaking of Gemini buses, a few days ago when I was on the 6A, the seating replacement on bus 37744 was so bad, they actually got some of the Willow-Leaf seats put into replace damaged leather ones at the back.

For those who don’t know what I’m talking about, I think in either 2017-2018, when all the SF07, SF08, SF58, and SF09 plated Gemini’s at Glasgow had their soft cushion seats replaced with leather ones (with two blue stripes at the sides), the reason why was that I think the Glasgow team thought it would be easier to clean and not have re-trim constantly.
Later in I think 2019, some of those buses (including some SF57 plated Gemini) had a complete overall, being given new flooring, more stylish leather seats, USB ports, and purple grab poles (they actually looked really nice at first, but have since gotten more worn over time).

 

[ScotRail158725]

They should just rip out 37238 for parts then if it’s broke beyond repair, and maybe use the parts to help fix 37278 for re-service.

Use broken parts?

Speaking of Gemini buses, a few days ago when I was on the 6A, the seating replacement on bus 37744 was so bad, they actually got some of the Willow-Leaf seats put into replace damaged leather ones at the back.

For those who don’t know what I’m talking about, I think in either 2017-2018, when all the SF07, SF08, SF58, and SF09 plated Gemini’s at Glasgow had their soft cushion seats replaced with leather ones (with two blue stripes at the sides), the reason why was that I think the Glasgow team thought it would be easier to clean and not have re-trim constantly.
Later in I think 2019, some of those buses (including some SF57 plated Gemini) had a complete overall, being given new flooring, more stylish leather seats, USB ports, and purple grab poles (they actually looked really nice at first, but have since gotten more worn over time).

37744 was new with leather seats

 

[GusB]

Use broken parts?

Obviously there will still be some parts of a vehicle that can be used in others, even if the whole vehicle itself is beyond economic repair.

 

[Jordan Adam]

37744 was new with leather seats

It wasn't. They had fabric seats from new.

 

[AndrewTaylor95]

Use broken parts?

37744 was new with leather seats

Definitely wasn't, was the Fabric seats on all this batch, new stuff from 2012 onwards only started getting E-Leather

 

[38A-Z]

Definitely wasn't, was the Fabric seats on all this batch, new stuff from 2012 onwards only started getting E-Leather

Totally agree. I think the first ones with leather seats were the 10x 61 plate E400 hybrids used on the 66 (which have disappeared).

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Totally agree. I think the first ones with leather seats were the 10x 61 plate E400 hybrids used on the 66 (which have disappeared).

Technically the first buses with leather interiors were the airport E300s - which are now with Somerset - back in 2010.

If we are talking about the current First interior with pink grab poles and grey e-leather seating then the E300s were the first to be delivered back in 2012 for Dumbarton depot.

 

[route101]

Totally agree. I think the first ones with leather seats were the 10x 61 plate E400 hybrids used on the 66 (which have disappeared).

I remember them, you slipped off the seat everytime the bus braked.

 

[ScotRail158725]

(which have disappeared).

Away to Barnsley for scrap now

 

[Noddy1]

Will the Yutong decker which is at South Yorkshire be coming to Glasgow?