Merle Haggard
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Sorry, but yes I fear. I’ve just downloaded it and viewed it on a completely different computer.
Thanks, I blame Apple then!. Curiously, 'views' has remained at 1
Sorry, but yes I fear. I’ve just downloaded it and viewed it on a completely different computer.
London-Manchester via Sheffield and Hope Valley remains a valid route for an "any permitted" ticket, as well as the other routes you mention.Tickets from Manchester to London in BR days were also valid with no excess to:
London St. Pancras via Sheffield. (also when direct route was available via Matlock) and also valid via Hope Valley which had through trains.
London Paddington/Marylebone via Birmingham and Banbury (which I believe is still a valid route today).
Also remember the fairly recent West Coast modernisation Project Rio that had hourly direct services from Manchester to St. Pancras.
There certainly was a sleeper service Manchester-GC-Marylebone throughout the LMR electrification period, nominally non-stop.For example, has there ever been a direct Manchester - London Marylebone service?
There were half a dozen Scots allocated to Annesley in 62 or 63 for services like this, as I understand it.here certainly was a sleeper service Manchester-GC-Marylebone throughout the LMR electrification period, nominally non-stop.
I used it once northbound c1963, it changed from steam to Class 40 at Nottingham Victoria for the run over Woodhead.
I know the Midland Pullman avoided Derby via Chad, but I've not heard of a regular service doing this....
Another odd-ball route I used at that time was the 1700 Manchester Central-St Pancras service on Sundays, which was nominally non-stop to Leicester via Matlock.
It used to avoid Derby on the Chaddesden sidings route,
No slowing for PSRs at Chinley or elsewhere?except on one occasion when it was diverted through Derby and then via Melbourne to Sheet Stores and back to the main line.
This train used to go on full power (Peak diesel) from around Didsbury to the summit at Peak Forest, and then coast all the way down to Belper before needing power again.
1C48, 5pm Sunday Manchester Central, pass Chaddesden South Junction 18/29 (in today's language, 6/29pm in the timetable I have), 19:01-19:06 in Leicester. 1C58 5.30pm from Manchester Central followed it and called at Chinley, Millers Dale, Matlock, Derby, Loughborough & Leicester (and it was also preceded by 1C46 4.25 departure with much the same stopping pattern as 1C58 which got to Derby at 6.2pm). Same 9/9/63-14/6/64 timetable as earlier.I know the Midland Pullman avoided Derby via Chad, but I've not heard of a regular service doing this.
There had always been a number of through trains each day between Manchester in Marylebone in Great Central & LNER days. Before the InterCity services were concentrated on the Euston - Piccadilly route post-electrification, the London Midland Region's public timetable books included summary pages showing the full selection of trains available between different Manchester (and Liverpool) stations and the various London termini.. . . For example, has there ever been a direct Manchester - London Marylebone service?
@jfollows's post of the 1963 Woodhead WTT - showing the 3M14 Oldham Glodwick Rd to Marylebone Parcels, in addition to 1M51 - reminded me of a couple of short-lived oddities and another potential London Terminal 'cop' (provided we're allowed to stretch the scope to long-distance parcels trains).What other London stations have had direct services to/from Manchester Piccadilly or Manchester Victoria in recent (or not so recent) years?
Interesting. Thanks for the enlightenment.1C48, 5pm Sunday Manchester Central, pass Chaddesden South Junction 18/29 (in today's language, 6/29pm in the timetable I have), 19:01-19:06 in Leicester. 1C58 5.30pm from Manchester Central followed it and called at Chinley, Millers Dale, Matlock, Derby, Loughborough & Leicester (and it was also preceded by 1C46 4.25 departure with much the same stopping pattern as 1C58 which got to Derby at 6.2pm). Same 9/9/63-14/6/64 timetable as earlier.