HST coach disposals

[adc82140]

Disposal is a decision for the ROSCO - Porterbrook for these two - not XC.

Porterbrook in the past seem to have been keen to dispose of their unwanted Mk3s as quickly as possible, compared to Angel who are more content to store them and try to find a further use (which in the case of the Mexican exports has paid off).

 

[Towers]

It almost seems that the Mexicans were just a shade too early; if they’d held on they could have had several fully serviceable sets in good condition and with sliding doors!

 

[cole_peter5@]

Same thing XC say to Porterbrook don't want coaches these any more so no rent - bang of to scrapman.
Sims's must laughing all the way to the bank, all paid for by taxpayer money ---- Pete.

 

[skyhigh]

Same thing XC say to Porterbrook don't want coaches these any more so no rent - bang of to scrapman.
Sims's must laughing all the way to the bank, all paid for by taxpayer money ---- Pete.

Not quite sure what you mean here?

 

[cole_peter5@]

What do you not understand ---- we sending 142/319/321/365/507/508 HST Cars and Coaches
all brought by British taxpayer money - that what I mean ----- Peter.

 

[43096]

What do you not understand ---- we sending 142/319/321/365/507/508 HST Cars and Coaches
all brought by British taxpayer money - that what I mean ----- Peter.

Of that lot, I’d say only the 365s were an early withdrawal. And they were not bought with taxpayers’ money - they were leased from day 1.

The HSTs in particular have been exceptionally good value.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

What do you not understand ---- we sending 142/319/321/365/507/508 HST Cars and Coaches
all brought by British taxpayer money - that what I mean ----- Peter.

Yes they were bought with British taxpayer money, they were then sold by the government to leasing companies with the funds going back into the treasury.

 

[adc82140]

What do you not understand ---- we sending 142/319/321/365/507/508 HST Cars and Coaches
all brought by British taxpayer money - that what I mean ----- Peter.

I don't really understand. They are end of life, and the private companies that own them are selling them to a scrap company at the market rate. The taxpayer has nothing to do with it.

 

[Towers]

I suppose, tenuously, it might be argued that the vast expense of accessibility modifications to the remaining HST trailers was poor value for money given the cost and lifespan, but even that would be clutching at straws somewhat.

 

[skyhigh]

What do you not understand ---- we sending 142/319/321/365/507/508 HST Cars and Coaches
all brought by British taxpayer money - that what I mean ----- Peter.

You're complaining that units that have served their useful life (365s excepted) are being sent for scrap because they were originally paid for with taxpayer money?

Which ignores the fact that they were then sold to the ROSCOs who have funded improvements and upgrades over the remaining lifespan of the units.

Are you saying they should be stored forever not scrapped because the way they were funded decades ago?

 

[Phil Scott]

It seems 42375 didn't go for scrap at Sims in Newport. Anyone know where it went?

 

[cole_peter5@]

Does anyone know the whereabouts of 42367 42375 left Laira this week - destination unknown ---- Peter.

 

[Razor1967]

There were two outside Doncaster Wabtec visible from the platforms at the north end on Monday. Didn't see the numbers clearly but one could have been 42375 but couldn't be sure.

 

[SteveyBee131]

There were two outside Doncaster Wabtec visible from the platforms at the north end on Monday. Didn't see the numbers clearly but one could have been 42375 but couldn't be sure.

They found their way into a picture I took yesterday, one is 42374, the other isn't brilliantly clear in the picture, but looks like possibly 42538?

 

[warwickshire]

Just wondering if the mk3s will make it okay to Mexico. Sunday 2200 hours bbc weather forecast shows a very severe storm in the gulf of Mexico and Mexico Bay going out into the mid Atlantic. Hopefully they get there in one piece, ie the slam door ex Hst Coaches.
If not still time yet for some sliding door Hst mk3 ex Gwr ones to move across as well in the unlikely event though of this happening, hopefully for the final part of the journey, the hold of the boat does its job well.

 

[43096]

They found their way into a picture I took yesterday, one is 42374, the other isn't brilliantly clear in the picture, but looks like possibly 42538?

I have the following vehicles at Wabtec for XC currently: 41035/195, 42036/374, 44017.

Definitely not 42538 - there's never been any HST vehicle with that number to my knowledge.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Definitely not 42538 - there's never been any HST vehicle with that number to my knowledge.

42583 maybe...?

What's the current known status of that one?

 

[Defiance149]

They found their way into a picture I took yesterday, one is 42374, the other isn't brilliantly clear in the picture, but looks like possibly 42538?

42374 and 42036 have been out the front of Wabtec for some months.

42583 maybe...? What's the current known status of that one?

Stored at Kidderminster for Locomotive Services.

 

[43096]

42583 maybe...?

What's the current known status of that one?

This isn't a game of Numberwang!

It's not an XC vehicle for starters. As quoted, it's owned by LSL, stored at Kidderminster

42374 and 42036 have been out the front of Wabtec for some months.

Looks like we have an answer.

 

[Davester50]

Also at Doncaster, it looked like ScotRail coaches over the back. Are they SR's, and if they are, are they ones that have been delivered and are back for repair/rework/servicing or new conversions?

 

[John Bishop]

Also at Doncaster, it looked like ScotRail coaches over the back. Are they SR's, and if they are, are they ones that have been delivered and are back for repair/rework/servicing or new conversions?

There’s 3 rakes there which came back south for repairs a very long time ago but have subsequently been removed from the fleet. I’m guessing repairs were too difficult/ costly to effect.

 

[Davester50]

Thanks for the info.

 

[USRailFan]

Hi Guys --- Power cars :- 43022 43158 43170
Coaches :- 41091 41100 42026 42179 42401 42402 42405
44034 44061 44063 44094
The vessel the m.v. BBC Arkhangelsk which is carry the above is docked at Castellon - Spain. hope that help everyone ---- Peter.

Hi Guys --- Does anyone know who has brought De-branded XC 42367 ex Laira seen heading North 22/8/23 ----- Peter.

So basically two sets of five cars and one powercar?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

So basically two sets of five cars and one powercar?

As I understand it, this will not be the only shipment - but I have no idea when the next lot go, or how many are involved.

 

[GlitterUnicorn]

There’s 3 rakes there which came back south for repairs a very long time ago but have subsequently been removed from the fleet. I’m guessing repairs were too difficult/ costly to effect.

Have there been any replacement for them?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Have there been any replacement for them?

No as the whole fleet is being withdrawn in a matter of weeks.

 

[Towers]

No as the whole fleet is being withdrawn in a matter of weeks.

These are Scotrail coaches being discussed, are you thinking of Crosscountry?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

These are Scotrail coaches being discussed, are you thinking of Crosscountry?

My apologies I was!

 

[John Bishop]

Have there been any replacement for them?

No.

 

[ClnRe]

More Mk 3 coaches are being taken from Ely, where they have been stored for a short time, to Yarmouth today.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K05940/2023-09-12/detailed
For onward shipment to Mexico?