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Intercity Fridays Only to/from Euston

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Bertie the bus

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Who is controlling access to platform/train ?

No revenue protection so if you get on at Wilmslow off at Piccadilly what ticket would you need and expect to produce?

And where would you purchase last minute
It will work in exactly the same way as part fares on charters have worked for decades. You get on and hand over some money to a steward. Before anybody says how would Joe Public know that? - the part fares from the likes of Crewe and Wilmslow are aimed solely at enthusiasts wanting a short trip on a "real" train.
 
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Why do Inter City have a PO Box in St Erth, Cornwall as their postal address? What's their connection to St Erth?
The PO Box postcode comes back as the Post Office in Hayle. No clear connection with anything unless he's got a contract firm opening his post.
 

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Railcard discounts won't be in the quota, as its a charter service. It's just the way it's done has been to make it look like an open access operation by using loopholes in the path-bidding process with Network Rail.
The non-availability of child fare is also a detractor for families. Fine if the operator expect to fill every seat at £75, but a shame if they don't.
 

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The PO Box postcode comes back as the Post Office in Hayle. No clear connection with anything unless he's got a contract firm opening his post.
The limited liability company behind the set-up is 'Locomotive Intercity Limited' (Company number 11380261) incorporated in 2018 with a registered office address of Craven House, 16 Northumberland Avenue, London, United Kingdom, WC2N 5AP.

Sole director is a Jeremy J. Hosking (age 64). According to Wikipedia, he's been involved in a number of asset management companies, he's a pro-Brexit Conservative Party donor, a Crystal Palace FC shareholder and a keen railway enthusiast.
 

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It will work in exactly the same way as part fares on charters have worked for decades. You get on and hand over some money to a steward. Before anybody says how would Joe Public know that? - the part fares from the likes of Crewe and Wilmslow are aimed solely at enthusiasts wanting a short trip on a "real" train.
Agreed. I won't be doing it personally (I am too old and have enough experience of travelling behind classes 81-85, 86, 87 & 90 over the years) but would happily hand over the money if I did travel from Wilmslow to Manchester.

EDIT Apropos of nothing much, my memory includes being in a Mark 3 FO at the back of a London-Manchester service on the way home to Manchester early evening and seeing Brian Redhead waiting in the "bus shelter" at the London end of the Macclesfield platform, probably on a Monday evening, prior to him presenting the Today (Radio 4) programme from London the following morning.
 

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If it was meant to be recreating mid 1990s BR InterCity how could it be anything but?

It also needs to be muckier, have the loco run round onto the DVT due to a TDM failure, no tea in the buffet and the aircon and lights out in at least one coach.

You missed water leaking from the toilet tank in the vestibule, and another toilet flooded with liquid Of unknown veracity sloshing around the toilet floor.
 

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Oh, and if by a massive stroke of luck the boiler in the buffet was working, you could watch as the staff put the teapot underneath then gingerly reached over to turn it on while trying to dodge it spitting and hissing boiling water all over the galley. Amazing it ever got past H&S.

Even those new stewards irritated by having to press the button again when the Pendolino coffee machine loses power in a neutral section (not sure why a UPS* would have been difficult) don't know they're born, or rather, not scalded.

* Uninterruptible Power Supply, i.e. a 12V battery and an inverter.
 

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Has anyone mentioned it was late yet?
It was already late by the time it got to Coventry, but it was delayed by an unplanned diversion via Bescot because of a failure of a train in front between New Street and Wolverhampton.
 

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It was already late by the time it got to Coventry, but it was delayed by an unplanned diversion via Bescot because of a failure of a train in front between New Street and Wolverhampton.

I know, I was watching it carefully :)
 

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The non-availability of child fare is also a detractor for families. Fine if the operator expect to fill every seat at £75, but a shame if they don't.
People will be complaining about no PRIV tickets for Avanti employees next.
 

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They said they’re looking to “take over more of Avanti’s slots” long term

Very short term - i.e. four weeks - fine. Hoping to run this and more on other routes - not fine, surely? Charter trains for enthusiasts who want a throwback ride on a train dressed as InterCity, on a permanent path that could and should by a passenger service, on Britain’s busiest rail route.

Of course Avanti can’t use it now, but if they haven’t got enough staff to run it in a months time, action needs to be taken to have them outed and an OLR brought in, or at very least a tender for an Open Access TOC for the route to supplement the missing services. The point is, charter railtours absolutely should not take the place of busy public passenger services on a permanent basis. On a Friday evening too! Surely?

If they applied to be an OA TOC, it would be different - but as it stands - you can’t book tickets through any legal public transport way, not on National Rail Enq or TrainLine nor any TOC website or ticket machine, or even a ticket office, railcards are not valid and it doesn’t show up on public train times information. The public won’t even have a clue about it that way, so it is an enthusiast railtour taking up a weekly passenger slot if it remains long term. By the time the WCML operator gets its act together re. staff, these 110mph slots should definitely be returned.
There would be accessibility issues with their Mark 3 sets in any event - the doors mainly (slam door and non-contrasting).
 

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100% agree on the government and Shapps was comedy gold this morning
I know, I was watching it carefully :)
To be fair the delays were initially down to Avanti late running (which also delayed XC at Coventry further delaying this train) and then the diversion also out of its control.
 

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You missed water leaking from the toilet tank in the vestibule, and another toilet flooded with liquid Of unknown veracity sloshing around the toilet floor.
Oddly, you’ve bought back more memories of travelling on VTEC than Intercity there. And no, having travelled on the spare set from Aberdeen to Edinburgh with toilet water sloshing around in the vestibule, I’m not joking.
 

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It was delayed approaching Rugby as it caught up the Pendolinos which were following a diverted Freightliner service which had gone via Weedon instead of Northampton
 

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You missed water leaking from the toilet tank in the vestibule, and another toilet flooded with liquid Of unknown veracity sloshing around the toilet floor.

And given it's a Mk3, an internal door that is so happy with life it can't stay still. Although to be fair on the WR that is more 10 years earlier.

This thing seems a grand idea that'll backfire into an embarassment in the near future, as is appropriate for the times.
 

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It will work in exactly the same way as part fares on charters have worked for decades. You get on and hand over some money to a steward. Before anybody says how would Joe Public know that? - the part fares from the likes of Crewe and Wilmslow are aimed solely at enthusiasts wanting a short trip on a "real" train.

Fair (!) enough..
They're not issuing tickets though ..just erickets..wonder if the gateline staff at Piccadilly have been briefed!!

The PO Box postcode comes back as the Post Office in Hayle. No clear connection with anything unless he's got a contract firm opening his post.
It's the Statesman rail office as was
 

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Fair (!) enough..
They're not issuing tickets though ..just erickets..wonder if the gateline staff at Piccadilly have been briefed!!

People are speaking like a charter has never operated before. It's bizarre.

If you don't like him or question his motivations, fair enough, but charter operation is almost as old as the railway itself.
 

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People are speaking like a charter has never operated before. It's bizarre.

If you don't like him or question his motivations, fair enough, but charter operation is almost as old as the railway itself.
Do you mean like when Mr Peak Frean or Mr Joseph Cadbury took their workers on a day excursion to Blackpool or Weston Sur La Mer !!!
 

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Do you mean like when Mr Peak Frean or Mr Joseph Cadbury took their workers on a day excursion to Blackpool or Weston Sur La Mer !!!
Or Thomas Cook chartering trains to public hangings. Jules Verne even has Phileas Fogg charter a train in Around The World in 80 Days.
 

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Which would mean Avanti’s comments about industrial action are correct.
It Can't be correct surely? Many drivers must have families and children and I am not sure if it has occurred to people yet but it is the Summer Holidays for Children and many drivers may want to spend the limited time within the holidays where its best to. Avanti Can't possibly expect drivers to work many hours overtime. Avanti Drivers didn't vote for Action short of strike either.

Do you mean like when Mr Peak Frean or Mr Joseph Cadbury took their workers on a day excursion to Blackpool or Weston Sur La Mer !!!
Weston Sur la Mer? Whats that? Weston Super-Mare?
 

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It Can't be correct surely? Many drivers must have families and children and I am not sure if it has occurred to people yet but it is the Summer Holidays for Children and many drivers may want to spend the limited time within the holidays where its best to. Avanti Can't possibly expect drivers to work many hours overtime. Avanti Drivers didn't vote for Action short of strike either.


Weston Sur la Mer? Whats that? Weston Super-Mare?
Yeah, but you need to pronounce it in a pseudo French accent
 

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Yeah, but you need to pronounce it in a pseudo French accent
Place Double R then a single E. Its not grammatically correct but it makes people create the sound (I can't describe it) on the end. My Dad is French so sometimes he will say Voiture but not perform the back or throat noise. But with Angleterre he will pour certaines raisons.
 

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It Can't be correct surely? Many drivers must have families and children and I am not sure if it has occurred to people yet but it is the Summer Holidays for Children and many drivers may want to spend the limited time within the holidays where its best to. Avanti Can't possibly expect drivers to work many hours overtime. Avanti Drivers didn't vote for Action short of strike either.
Are summers and people having families some kind of new phenomenon that only hit these shores this year because in previous summers they have managed to run a service and so are many other TOCs this summer so I suppose they only employ singletons.
 

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Stupid Questions but are Midland Pullman and Inter City Somehow related. Seems dumb that I'm purely basing this off the extremely similar format in their websites?

EDIT: They are sorry both owned or provided help by LSL forgot the relevance of that company.
 

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Stupid Questions but are Midland Pullman and Inter City Somehow related. Seems dumb that I'm purely basing this off the extremely similar format in their websites?

EDIT: They are sorry both owned or provided help by LSL forgot the relevance of that company.
LSL are the Train Operating Company for both.
 
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