Bletchleyite
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Disagree. It looks very 1990s. Even the LNER variant looks dated.
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Disagree. It looks very 1990s. Even the LNER variant looks dated.
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Someone needs to photoshop a pendolino
pokemonsuper9
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Looks like someone already made it a mod for a game with it.Someone needs to photoshop a pendolino
Class15
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That looks like Transport Fever 2?
pokemonsuper9
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Indeed it is. I said "a game" becuase the game itself isn't entirely relevant, and it looks like based on the video's description link going to a generic steam page, the mod no longer exists.
How great does that look. It would need grey doors cos of regs... but still!!
I am with those who wish to keep the InterCity Swallow livery a thing of the past. It looked great for it's time but it was a product of the 1990s. If GBR is going to be a modern brand different from British Rail then it shouldn't be using old BR liveries even with some twists. I won't go into specifics but using white as a base colour would be in line with modern trends and allows for regional variation, but for services spanning multiple regions like InterCity then I'd opt for some kind of inclusion of red and blue. Or if we don't go with white then at least a deep dark blue as a base colour with red and white to fit a GBR brand.
Russel
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The modern version LNER use on the 91 sets looks decent, but I doubt it would sit well on modern stock.
If you mean the original Intercity Swallow livery, then we have very different perceptions of what looks modern... It's very dated now.
Rick1984
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Not what I'd go for, but I expect a white livery with a bit of "patriotic" union flag branding. Bit like Hovertravel.
(Image from Hovertravel website)
(Image from Hovertravel website)
generalnerd
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I think they could keep the swallow itself but change the livery
Leyland Bus
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To be honest, had BR not been privatised the Intercity livery and brand would have evolved and adapted to new rolling stock anyway. So it would work, just in an updated, fresher style... Same with the other sectors really, although it seems from Hendys committee meeting that sectors won't be a feature of GBR sadly...
Bletchleyite
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You could certainly incorporate the swallow into a more modern design.
Sun Chariot
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When BR first introduced the logo, I thought it was a swift. As in: "Our InterCity trains are swift".
Then I saw it referred to as a swallow; and to this day, I've no idea what the swallow symbolised (maybe it's what InterCity passengers did at hearing the price of a walk-on Single fare).
It's definitely a swallow - longer tail than a swift. Someone at BR must have known why they chose that particular bird...
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generalnerd
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Maybe by swift they mean swift as in fast. Br wasn’t getting that much subsidy then so they had to cut the marketing department
This is the sort of thing I expect will happen. With either red or blue doors to meet accessibility/visibility requirements.Not what I'd go for, but I expect a white livery with a bit of "patriotic" union flag branding. Bit like Hovertravel.
(Image from Hovertravel website)
Bletchleyite
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I hope it isn't splattered in Union Jacks, it's just a bit crude. But I think we can be pretty much certain that it'll be some measure of red and blue on a white background, possibly or possibly not with a grey window band as is fairly standard.
generalnerd
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That would fit I think, the tube already has the red doors and the air forces KC2 tankers (at least some) have a very similar livery
Exactly, something like tube livery with a union jackish design at the front - which isn't a million miles away from what NSE livery was...
I certainly wouldn’t complain if we ended up with a more modern variation of the NSE livery.
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61653 HTAFC
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Whilst I don't think we should fall victim to "nostalgia-fetishism", I equally feel that modernity for its own sake should be avoided too. It's things like that that lead to stupidity like stations being called "mobility hubs" and other such nonsense.
I don't think we should be afraid of being inspired by national flags, though again it's definitely possible to go too far in that direction. I'd like to see sensible people reclaiming our national flags, rather than letting them become tools of extremists. Even Germany has managed to do this and their history is far more troublesome than ours- though it helps that their historical monsters mostly used different colours and symbols. There's a few ICE sets that have the red stripe replaced with the black/red/gold of the (modern) German flag and they look fantastic (oder fantastich?). Unfortunately the union flag doesn't quite lend itself to such a scheme!
I don't think we should be afraid of being inspired by national flags, though again it's definitely possible to go too far in that direction. I'd like to see sensible people reclaiming our national flags, rather than letting them become tools of extremists. Even Germany has managed to do this and their history is far more troublesome than ours- though it helps that their historical monsters mostly used different colours and symbols. There's a few ICE sets that have the red stripe replaced with the black/red/gold of the (modern) German flag and they look fantastic (oder fantastich?). Unfortunately the union flag doesn't quite lend itself to such a scheme!
Pete_uk
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generalnerd
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That image is so good, it’s scary what AI can do. Beautiful livery though
Agreed - that looks superb!
Sun Chariot
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Which AI generator did you use for that? As others have said, it's an excellent output; far superior to other image generator AI software I've tried.
I fancy trying HS4000 Kestrel....
Islineclear3_1
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Talking of swifts and swallows, what is the national bird of Great Britain - the robin, the eagle, the kite?
pokemonsuper9
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According to Wikipedia, the European Robin, which I feel like would fit a more stopping/hopper service more than a fast one.
Edit: Nevermind, just seen the column that says it's not official
Bletchleyite
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Chiltern (non Mainline) livery is basically that, its NSE roots are still there. You'd probably want to put the red stripe back though.
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You don’t want something that “looks modern” now as you’re designing something that will last 20 years or more and “modern” changes. IC Swallow was exactly that, which is why it still looks fabulous now.