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What's the odds on them not coming back? Plenty of crew competence will have lapsed by June.
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LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment
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There’s a tweet from David Horne tonight saying they will return after the KGX remodelling...
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The moves on Thursday and yesterday were to turn the sets - this is related to storage arrangements.
91105 had an issue on 1Y00 yesterday and was rescued by 67001 at Hadley Wood. A Leeds and back was cancelled before 91105 came back out for the rest of the day.
The last one back onto depot was 91124 at 2250.
As above, the plan as it stands is they’ll be back in June. In between times there’s some work/exams to be done on both locos and sets - there should be some ECS moves run in connection with this.
91105 had an issue on 1Y00 yesterday and was rescued by 67001 at Hadley Wood. A Leeds and back was cancelled before 91105 came back out for the rest of the day.
The last one back onto depot was 91124 at 2250.
As above, the plan as it stands is they’ll be back in June. In between times there’s some work/exams to be done on both locos and sets - there should be some ECS moves run in connection with this.
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What's being done to retain crew competence on them?
DanNCL
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91101 and a full set of Mark 4s is working a Bounds Green - Doncaster Belmont move today for warm storage, via Newcastle to turn the set. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N09546/2021-01-26/detailed
Another set will make the same journey tomorrow, if I recall correctly likely to be hauled by 91114. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N09546/2021-01-27/detailed
On Thursday theres a Bounds Green - Neville Hill move, from what I've heard possibly formed of 3 91s, a single mark 4 and a DVT. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N09547/2021-01-28/detailed
Another set will make the same journey tomorrow, if I recall correctly likely to be hauled by 91114. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N09546/2021-01-27/detailed
On Thursday theres a Bounds Green - Neville Hill move, from what I've heard possibly formed of 3 91s, a single mark 4 and a DVT. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N09547/2021-01-28/detailed
Indeed. BN13 with 82213 (I believe) as the Mk4s
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just wondering could the ecs trips up to newcastle be anything to do with retaining crew knowledge for using the 91s up to newcastle or is it simply for looping it around at the high level bridge?
DanNCL
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Simply for turning the set via the High Level Bridge.
mvm03
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Does the set have to go into the yard loco first or something like that?
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My 91 brings all the Mk4s to the yard and damn right, it's better than yours
I saw it go through York heading south, Loco leading.
Apropos the refurbishment of the 91s, how much use is ever made of the blunt end cab? Is it used for anything other than depot shunts? Could the locos be more cheaply refurbished by doing away with this cab, or at least reducing / simplifying the controls?
It gets used when there is a fault with the DVT / TDM system so the loco has to haul instead of push (not my photo)
https://flic.kr/p/RWGbEt
mvm03
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see what you did there
DanNCL
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The lines in Belmont Yard used to store the sets are only partially wired, at the south end, meaning that's the end the 91 needs to be on for storage.
They're used regularly for depot shunts, but as mentioned further up the thread are also used when a DVT fault requries the loco on a southbound service to run round. Light loco moves heading south (for example Doncaster Works - Bounds Green, though that particular move presumably won't happen again now that the 91s are moving to Neville Hill) would use the blunt end cab too. When the 91s were modified from 91/0s to 91/1s in the early 2000s only the streamlined end cabs were refurbished, so the blunt end cabs are still mostly the same internally as they were when the 91s were built.
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Presumably if it’s warm store the 91 will be staying with the set to keep it ‘warm’?
DanNCL
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Yes that's right, the 91s are staying with the sets. 91127 has been there with a set since 15th January, 91101 arrived with a set today, and 91114 should arrive with a set tomorrow. 91107 and a set is also in reverse formation to enable warm storage at Belmont Yard, though that set is currently at Neville Hill.
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I know it's irrelevant now because they've done it via the high level bridge, but is there any reason they couldn't theoretically have turned them using the Shipley triangle?
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Going via the High Level Bridge is simply easier as is doesn’t require any reversals.
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Are they route cleared for the 3rd side of the triangle?
Remember that, even in covid times, paths won’t be easy to find on the shipley triangle, especially if it’s going at low speed.
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I'm sure this has been discussed already - but what was the reasoning behind keeping a limited number of 91 / Mk4 sets, and not ordering enough IETs to replace the whole fleet?
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The IET fleet was ordered to deliver 6tph for the East Coast TOC. VTEC in its bid decided it wanted 6.5tph and so needed a small fleet of 91s retained. LNER has decided to retain that 6.5tph plan so still needs some extra trains. There is a tender out currently for some more new trains to run that extra 0.5tph and the retained 91s and mk4s are a stopgap.
Apologies if this is considered off-topic but does anyone know why 5Z50 (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N09547/2021-01-28/detailed) happened to be so late into Peterborough? It was due 1144 but arrived 1434 according to RTT.
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Broken Rail at Retford, single line working them like block 1415-1545
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