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Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

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It could be the original 32 which was a circular route around the outskirts of Edinburgh until it was split into two. It was also renumbered as 32 for the inner circle and 52 for the outer circle. When split it came the 18 which is now the 200 (southern part) and the 21 (northern part).
The southern part of the route is what is mostly covered by what is now the 400. The northern side of the route is covered partly by the 21 and partly by the 200. Some roads are no longer served at all by Lothian such as Drum Brae North.
 
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The southern part of the route is what is mostly covered by what is now the 400. The northern side of the route is covered partly by the 21 and partly by the 200. Some roads are no longer served at all by Lothian such as Drum Brae North.

I still stand by and say that the 200 should have served Drum Brae North and not Clermiston, I really don’t understand why they don’t! The 21 still has the link between Hillpark and Clermiston and push come to shove you can change over buses at Drum Brae/Queensferry Road since the 21 is every 15 minutes anyway!

The 400 is at its peak currently as is the 21/200! but with the way the 200 is at ocean terminal with its awkward Ocean Drive terminus, it makes it harder to get to the bus stop with the distance/tramworks, would it not be worth looking into extending the route further east In the future?

Also off-topic but has anyone seen how busy the new section of the 34 route is?
 

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I still stand by and say that the 200 should have served Drum Brae North and not Clermiston, I really don’t understand why they don’t! The 21 still has the link between Hillpark and Clermiston and push come to shove you can change over buses at Drum Brae/Queensferry Road since the 21 is every 15 minutes anyway!

The 400 is at its peak currently as is the 21/200! but with the way the 200 is at ocean terminal with its awkward Ocean Drive terminus, it makes it harder to get to the bus stop with the distance/tramworks, would it not be worth looking into extending the route further east In the future?

Also off-topic but has anyone seen how busy the new section of the 34 route is?
I’m sure there’s a number of cabin crew houses on or near Drum Brae Drive. I often see crew getting on there. The 200 is far better going up Drum Brae Drive as there’s way more Airport and city demand up there. Clermiston is also used as the driver changeover point so you’d need to find somewhere else to do that, which is tricky. Drum Brae North hasn’t had a lot of demand for years now and would be fine with a more local bus that isn’t that frequent, just like the 32 was. The 68 does still serve it though so it’s not been totally forgotten about.

Myself and @Bus9120UK would both like to see the 200 and 400 become every 20 minutes eventually over XLB usage. The demand is there it just needs the resources.

The 34 seemed busy when it passed me on Commercial Street, but I’m not sure how busy the new bus stops it serves on its new route were.
 
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It could be the original 32 which was a circular route around the outskirts of Edinburgh until it was split into two. It was also renumbered as 32 for the inner circle and 52 for the outer circle. When split it came the 18 which is now the 200 (southern part) and the 21 (northern part).
For historians, the timetableworld.com site has Eastern Scottish timetables for 1969 and 1978 which have lists of Edinburgh ECT/LRT routes with first and last times but not frequencies. The outer circle came in after 1969 (there was no Wester Hailes then) so for the fifties and sixties the east-west 26 and 44 Eastfield-Clerwood/Juniper Green may have been longest linear route.

The 32 started in October 1971. It wasn't a circle initially, running between the Foot of Leith Walk and Wester Hailes via Newhaven, Granton, Muirhouse, Drylaw, Blackhall, Drum Brae and Broomhouse. Subsequent changes saw it extended, from Wester Hailes to Hyvots Bank and from Foot of Leith Walk to Hay Drive, before becoming a full circle in April 1975.

The change to 32/52 for the inner and outer circles took place in March 1981.

In January 2002 the 52 was renumbered to 32A with the split into two linear routes, 18 and 32, happening 18 months later.
 
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May be the solution to the 200 terminous for now at any rate would be by finish at at ASDA?
I assume this is the ASDA at Newhaven you’re referring to? I think it’d be very badly received if they did change it to terminate short. It’d be good if it was extended further, perhaps along the route of what the 32 would’ve done years ago and terminating in the Lochend area?
 

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I assume this is the ASDA at Newhaven you’re referring to? I think it’d be very badly received if they did change it to terminate short. It’d be good if it was extended further, perhaps along the route of what the 32 would’ve done years ago and terminating in the Lochend area?

That‘s what I think! Maybe it would be worth considering extending it from Seafield to Portobello/Eastfield and maybe up Brunstane and then terminate at ASDA! that way there lies a direct link to Newhaven to Portobello and a link from Eastfield to Asda! both that and the 400 with close by terminuses!
 

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That‘s what I think! Maybe it would be worth considering extending it from Seafield to Portobello/Eastfield and maybe up Brunstane and then terminate at ASDA! that way there lies a direct link to Newhaven to Portobello and a link from Eastfield to Asda! both that and the 400 with close by terminuses!
I think there’s definitely potential for either to be slightly extended. The 400 to Portobello via Eastfield maybe?
 
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Excuse that, I'll fix it now!

I think there’s definitely potential for either to be slightly extended. The 400 to Portobello via Eastfield maybe?
No, Just no. Think about where about in Portobello will it terminate.

3 buses terminating in Marine (King's Rd.) is too much, so you can rule that out,
And a link between Seafield and Portobello is needed, The service 200 could follow the A199 after Ocean Terminal and go straight through Portobello to Seafield.

The only places the service 400 will be extended too is Musselburgh or somewhere else in East Lothian (Very Unlikely.)
 
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3 buses terminating in Marine (King's Rd.) is too much, so you can rule that out,
And a link between Seafield and Portobello is needed, The service 200 could follow the A199 after Ocean Terminal and go straight through Portobello to Seafield.

The only places the service 400 will be extended too is Musselburgh or somewhere else in East Lothian (Very Unlikely.)
I completely disagree. 3 services terminating in Marine garage would be completely fine. The space is there. At one time I think no less than 4 services terminated in Marine garage.

The problem with any bus following the A199 along the coast is partly the traffic congestion and also the fact it’s still mostly industrial, for me there’s not enough houses yet to justify a bus going the whole length along there. Give it 5-10 years and maybe that will have changed.

The 400 would need to reach East Lothian by having to detour around Newcraighall. That’s a detour too far in my opinion.
 
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Why doesn't it just turn right at Milton Rd. from the A1 and go into Musselburgh and loop around Levenhall?

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With Evening journeys terminating at Fort Kinnaird.
 
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Why doesn't it just turn right at Milton Rd. from the A1 and go into Musselburgh and loop around Levenhall?

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With Evening journeys terminating at Fort Kinnaird.
All just seems a bit unnecessary extending an already long and unreliable enough route. Fort Kinnaird is fine it doesn’t need extended anymore
No, Just no. Think about where about in Portobello will it terminate.

3 buses terminating in Marine (King's Rd.) is too much, so you can rule that out,
Its a bus depot not a minor turning circle like Hyvots Bank, there is absolutely the room for another bus service
And a link between Seafield and Portobello is needed, The service 200 could follow the A199 after Ocean Terminal and go straight through Portobello to Seafield.
A link between Seafield and Portobello is not needed, as shown before with the 12 and the Eve Coaches 128.
The A199 Portobello-Sefield route extension has been discussed her multiple times now, typically in the form of the 140 so the 200 is a new one, but again would be susceptible to the congestion, and there being little to no demand justifying a route along the corridor. Without a severe route change east of Muirhouse/Granton i don’t see any possible terminus that isn’t Ocean Terminal or Newhaven that would improve the 200.
 

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Does anyone know where Buses 14-16 (7900s) have gone? They've not been seen in a while to my knowledge, which makes me think they maybe with Volvo having work done?
 
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Does anyone know where Buses 14-16 (7900s) have gone? They've not been seen in a while to my knowledge, which makes me think they maybe with Volvo having work done?
I would hope they will be in the process of getting withdrawn which sadly isn't the case. They should really be getting withdrawn as some of them hurt your head after being on them for less than 5 minutes.
 

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I would hope they will be in the process of getting withdrawn which sadly isn't the case. They should really be getting withdrawn as some of them hurt your head after being on them for less than 5 minutes.
A quick question about the 7900s; can one set the gearbox into manual mode on the examples with Lothian? Or has it been disabled like on (at least some of) the Urbans?
 

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Does anyone know where Buses 14-16 (7900s) have gone? They've not been seen in a while to my knowledge, which makes me think they maybe with Volvo having work done?
They’re off the road at the minute as they’re not required. They’re all in the line of stored buses at Marine garage along with 11 of the Enviro400’s and also 172/3, all are visible from the main road.
 

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I would hope they will be in the process of getting withdrawn which sadly isn't the case. They should really be getting withdrawn as some of them hurt your head after being on them for less than 5 minutes.
Nothing wrong with 11-50. Only 1-10 are bad. Bear in mind they are on my local routes 1, 2 and 12 so this isn't a one experience POV. They are smooth, comfortable with the only issue being capacity at time.
 
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Nothing wrong with 11-50. Only 1-10 are bad. Bear in mind they are on my local routes 1, 2 and 12 so this isn't a one experience POV. They are smooth, comfortable with the only issue being capacity at time.
The only one that has been good on the ones I've been on recently is 34, although I try to avoid them at all costs.
 

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The only one that has been good on the ones I've been on recently is 34, although I try to avoid them at all costs.
Don't! 11-50 are just like any other bus (I travel on one probably 3-8 times a week). Yes they aren't perfect, but they provide a smooth and relaxing experience onboard if on the right route. Unlike 1-10 they aren't jerky, they don't vibrate. I cannot comment on what they are like for the driver though.

Maybe I've clearly become a tad fond of buses I've travelled on for most of the 8 years they've been here, the refurbishments all of them received were a huge boost to comfort.
 
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All just seems a bit unnecessary extending an already long and unreliable enough route. Fort Kinnaird is fine it doesn’t need extended anymore

Its a bus depot not a minor turning circle like Hyvots Bank, there is absolutely the room for another bus service

A link between Seafield and Portobello is not needed, as shown before with the 12 and the Eve Coaches 128.
And the 89 post-deregulation, it wasn't long before the section through Seafield and Portobello was withdrawn and the route curtailed to terminate at Leith Links. It did get extended back to Seafield for a spell, terminating at Marine Garage, but this was for operational reasons - to combat the late-running which plagued the route - before once again being withdrawn from the area and diverted to Granton.
 

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A quick question about the 7900s; can one set the gearbox into manual mode on the examples with Lothian? Or has it been disabled like on (at least some of) the Urbans?

No, it's just DNR selector. Absolutely no control over the gearbox, unlike i-Shifts fitted to coaches.
 

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Don't! 11-50 are just like any other bus (I travel on one probably 3-8 times a week). Yes they aren't perfect, but they provide a smooth and relaxing experience onboard if on the right route. Unlike 1-10 they aren't jerky, they don't vibrate. I cannot comment on what they are like for the driver though.

Maybe I've clearly become a tad fond of buses I've travelled on for most of the 8 years they've been here, the refurbishments all of them received were a huge boost to comfort.
I can confirm that as a driver, 11-50 aren't half bad. The ones that will run on electric properly are quite nice, especially when you can run from the top to bottom of Easter Road without the engine! The only 'controversial' thing is the seat and driving position, which some drivers aren't keen on. The mirrors stick way too far out and give an awkward view but you get used to them.
 
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20002 has been going up and down Masons Way in Wallyford for the last 20 minutes or so. I wonder if it could be route trialing for a potential service, or simply just a test run/driver training?
 
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20002 has been going up and down Masons Way in Wallyford for the last 20 minutes or so. I wonder if it could be route trialing for a potential service, or simply just a test run/driver training?
Hopefully they're going to report back to East Lothian Council that the speed bumps need shaving before a service can operate that way!
 
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Hopefully they're going to report back to East Lothian Council that the speed bumps need shaving before a service can operate that way!
Quite possibly! I think the demand is there for a bus to serve Masons Way, but finding the correct route to serve it (I’m not sure what would be best) and also fixing the bumps might take time.
 

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Those speed bumps are utterly horrendous, and to think they want to traffic to bypass Wallyford through that road is beyond a joke.
 

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