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Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)
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ScotRail158725
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That livery does not suit the BZL. It could do with a touch of white on the lower front as well.
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Thanks for the photo link 
. I must be in a minority but I really like the new livery. Completely back to LRT colours, think it’s really smart and classy looking. Will be interesting to see if they stick the Lothian logo below the lower deck windows and centered like the LRT days. Or the current way of Lothian above the door.
. I must be in a minority but I really like the new livery. Completely back to LRT colours, think it’s really smart and classy looking. Will be interesting to see if they stick the Lothian logo below the lower deck windows and centered like the LRT days. Or the current way of Lothian above the door.stevenedin
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I really like it as well. I just wish they put a strip of white under the front windscreen.
NorthClyde320
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Quoted from the Edinburgh Council Tenders thread, interesting that the 70 & 71 are on the East Coast licence and not the Lothian Country licence unless it is a mistake from the traffic commissioner's office of which there has been a few lately. It could also be that both licences are being merged into one with both fleet names being kept?
Also are the 43 and X27/X28 interworked in the City or do they remain on each service separately? Thanks
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Has to be a mistake surely? It also states on the registration that they’re not supported by subsidy.
They are on separate boards.
TheEastCoaster
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I'm going to take an educated guess and say that it's a mistake; it makes no sense having East Coast take these services when Lothian Country is much closer to these locations.
Shame they didn't keep 63 service number for the Queensferry route but I suppose the 70 series keeps it consistent? Let's hope they make it work with easy connections with the 43/72 services.
Still curious as to how they will deal with the fare zones between Gyle-Ratho-Hermiston P&R, unless they terminate at Ratho in the middle and continue the journey fresh each way.
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VioletEclipse
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I personally really like the livery. It wouldn't take much to make it even better, which to me would involve a wee bit of white just below the front window, continuing the livery around the destination screen (also white above the upstairs front window!), madder wheels (although I fell like that's now a thing of the past), and some gold on the edges of the madder. But overall not far off from a pre-1999 look.
Nostalgia probably plays a part in how much I like it, but I do - although I'm assuming they'll stick the fleet numbers on the black bits as usual rather than on the madder like they used to.
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They are separate. I think there was an instance when the old X17 inter-worked into a peak 43 or it was vice-versa, but that's the only instance that I can think of.
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It just seems really unrealistic that they get something like this wrong, though?
TheEastCoaster
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It happens, but guess we'll wait and see till Lothian make an official announcement, which given the services are now meant to start at the end of June, should be real soon.
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NorthClyde320
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There seems to be a lot of mistakes regarding service registrations coming out of the traffic commissioner's office lately I've noticed
Yep it was a mistake, been a few of these lately for various operators.
Agree with the 63 number, pity the 73 wasn't originally numbered 71 then the new Queensferry route could have been 73 giving Queensferry the 43 & 73 lol.
The City West zone could be extended to cover the Gyle and Hermiston P&R meaning only 1 zone will be needed for travel.
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TheEastCoaster
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I feel as if Lothian are shooting themselves in the foot not properly advertising the Eve integration. The only post I've seen is through the Eve Coaches Facebook page; not even Lothian or East Coast have shared it to let customers know about the ticket usage on these services.
Eve Coaches service change from Sunday 30 June - Lothian Buses
A service change will take effect on the Eve network from Sunday 30 June. Minor timetable changes will simplify routes and improve reliability while also improving access to the wider Lothian network. These changes have been made following full consultation with East Lothian Council. Download...www.lothianbuses.com
Also wonder when we will hear about the new 20, 32, 70 and 71 services.
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NorthEastern
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Nice looking timetable, not seen any previous versions but I expect that’s Lothian format edging in. Wondering what the locals think of the “simplified timetable”. Id have expected the BR logo to have been included in the map where there are stations in the towns. I think they’re on other Lothian maps.
Service 20 - Longstone garage
Service 32 - Longstone
Service 70 - Livingston garage
Service 71 - Livingston
Queensferry will also be included in the city zone, there's also some other (very positive) fare zone changes.
www.lothianbuses.com
Service 32 - Longstone
Service 70 - Livingston garage
Service 71 - Livingston
Queensferry will also be included in the city zone, there's also some other (very positive) fare zone changes.
Lothian announces cheaper fares and new routes for west Edinburgh - Lothian Buses
Lothian have today (Wednesday 5 June) announced changes to fares in west Edinburgh which will see price reductions for many customers from Sunday 30 June. The change will see the Lothian Country ‘cityWEST’ zone become an extension of the ‘city’ fares zone, with Adult single tickets for...
www.lothianbuses.com
stevenedin
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Great news all round. Hopefully one day the tendered routes could get extended a bit onto a commercial route but this is great.Service 20 - Longstone garage
Service 32 - Longstone
Service 70 - Livingston garage
Service 71 - Livingston
Queensferry will also be included in the city zone, there's also some other (very positive) fare zone changes.
Lothian announces cheaper fares and new routes for west Edinburgh - Lothian Buses
Lothian have today (Wednesday 5 June) announced changes to fares in west Edinburgh which will see price reductions for many customers from Sunday 30 June. The change will see the Lothian Country ‘cityWEST’ zone become an extension of the ‘city’ fares zone, with Adult single tickets for...
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Service 20 - Longstone garage
Service 32 - Longstone
Service 70 - Livingston garage
Service 71 - Livingston
Queensferry will also be included in the city zone, there's also some other (very positive) fare zone changes.
Lothian announces cheaper fares and new routes for west Edinburgh - Lothian Buses
Lothian have today (Wednesday 5 June) announced changes to fares in west Edinburgh which will see price reductions for many customers from Sunday 30 June. The change will see the Lothian Country ‘cityWEST’ zone become an extension of the ‘city’ fares zone, with Adult single tickets for...
Well.. I never expected this! Very exciting news and great news for all those in the CityWest Zone, I was contemplating how they will do this and now it makes sense, interesting now that Gyle, Maybury, Barnton and Hermiston are now part of the CityWest zone, probably includes Currie and Balerno now.
The 43 is about 7 years old, I'm sure now they can run it with City Fares comfortably, and was maybe probably an agreement with the tenders so this was a fare comprise, I'm sure Lothian Country are now in a comfortable position now.
Hopefully the 32 becomes a popular route, nice to see Balerno have a second bus, shame it finishes quite early but use or or lose it I suppose.
The 20 timetable is very minimal but I suppose it will be useful to some while it's running.
Noticed how the CountryWest Dayticket now includes the CityWest zone, much like the ECB County Dayticket with Zone B, good value for those living further west of Edinburgh heading to West Lothian.
It wasn't mentioned here but bus 1152 returned to service this morning. This leaves 1153.
Would it be a reasonable suggestion that 929/30 may move to Lothian Country in the next few weeks? This would cover 2/3 needed to meet the PVR for the 70/1.
If 932 hadn't collided with the bridge in Fauldhouse, then Lothian Country would already be surplus with 931 so those would be the only two required. Obviously not now.
No idea what the plan will be for the 20 and 32 which will also require 3 vehicles total. I can't see 905/6 returning to regular service, so perhaps we'll see the first of the BZLs on the roads very soon.
The inclusion of the cityWEST zone in the countryWEST dayticket means that travel from areas in the cityWEST zone (including newly added areas like Hermiston and Gyle) to countryWEST zones will be £3 cheaper with a dayticket, and at least 50p cheaper than two singles if travelling across 2 or more zones. For example, Newbridge to Whitburn dayticket on an X18 is currently £8.50 - this will reduce to £5.50 (only 50p more than the appropriate single ticket).
Would it be a reasonable suggestion that 929/30 may move to Lothian Country in the next few weeks? This would cover 2/3 needed to meet the PVR for the 70/1.
If 932 hadn't collided with the bridge in Fauldhouse, then Lothian Country would already be surplus with 931 so those would be the only two required. Obviously not now.
No idea what the plan will be for the 20 and 32 which will also require 3 vehicles total. I can't see 905/6 returning to regular service, so perhaps we'll see the first of the BZLs on the roads very soon.
Service 20 - Longstone garage
Service 32 - Longstone
Service 70 - Livingston garage
Service 71 - Livingston
Queensferry will also be included in the city zone, there's also some other (very positive) fare zone changes.
Lothian announces cheaper fares and new routes for west Edinburgh - Lothian Buses
Lothian have today (Wednesday 5 June) announced changes to fares in west Edinburgh which will see price reductions for many customers from Sunday 30 June. The change will see the Lothian Country ‘cityWEST’ zone become an extension of the ‘city’ fares zone, with Adult single tickets for...
The inclusion of the cityWEST zone in the countryWEST dayticket means that travel from areas in the cityWEST zone (including newly added areas like Hermiston and Gyle) to countryWEST zones will be £3 cheaper with a dayticket, and at least 50p cheaper than two singles if travelling across 2 or more zones. For example, Newbridge to Whitburn dayticket on an X18 is currently £8.50 - this will reduce to £5.50 (only 50p more than the appropriate single ticket).
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TheEastCoaster
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I think that is a good mention actually, the 72 had the problem with Kirkliston being the only part of the route in Edinburgh, so having the Dayticket stripped down to £5.50 as opposed to £8.50 is already more inviting, even folk at Hermiston can get that value perfectly.
Upon looking at the new timetable for the 71 and then currently 72 timetable, the connections are very.. eh.
For example getting from Queensferry to Winchburgh or Livingston from Kirkliston is next to impossible with having missed the current 72 by the time the 71 hits Kirkliston, however when you enter Kirkliston on the 72 you only have about a 20 minute wait for the 71, I get not every place has to have guaranteed connections but in this instance you have an opportunity here and the timetable blown it.
The 70/1 have so many possible connections that you would want to create it's just impossible to do without creating an inefficient use of resources.
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I've been thinking about the size of Lothian's fleet and the area of their depots. How do they manage to fit so many vehicles into each depot at night; are they double- or multi-parked nose to tail? If yes then how do they make sure that when a driver requires a specific vehicle in the morning it isn't trapped between two others?
Airlink 100 moving to Waverley Bridge - Lothian Buses
Our Airlink 100 service will be moving from its current location on South St David Street to Waverley Bridge from Sunday 30 June. In addition to the terminus point change in the city centre, there will be an additional stop city-bound on Hanover Street, and minor changes to the timetable...
www.lothianbuses.com
As what happens at depots all round the country vehicles are parked in lines with very little space to spare. Vehicles are allocated to drivers in the order they are parked so no driver will need to take a vehicle from the middle. They are usually arranged into rows of similar types to make allocations easy for morning run outs.
First bus out will be at the front with last bus at the rear being the last of the buses to leave in the morning
NorthClyde320
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I think the this could have went one of two ways and this is the most sensible and logical outcome, also fair imo to now having the West fare structure matching the East.Service 20 - Longstone garage
Service 32 - Longstone
Service 70 - Livingston garage
Service 71 - Livingston
Queensferry will also be included in the city zone, there's also some other (very positive) fare zone changes.
Lothian announces cheaper fares and new routes for west Edinburgh - Lothian Buses
Lothian have today (Wednesday 5 June) announced changes to fares in west Edinburgh which will see price reductions for many customers from Sunday 30 June. The change will see the Lothian Country ‘cityWEST’ zone become an extension of the ‘city’ fares zone, with Adult single tickets for...
Regarding vehicles most likely seems the 20 & 32 will be single deck and 70 & 71 double deck, unless there are spare singles that can be transferred over to Livi, or a small new single deck order has been placed.
Is there any stipulation in the contract about how new the buses have to be? I know this can be a part of a contract in other areas of the country.
stevenedin
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It is rumoured that some Eve Coaches E200MMCs will move to operate the 70 and 71.
Resuwen
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What would Eve use on the 120/121 in that case?
stevenedin
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I have no idea. I’m guessing it may be spare buses that will move. We will need to wait and see what happens.
Resuwen
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Eve only have 3 MMCs in any case