GRALISTAIR
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SteveRainhill
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So: headspans. See post 2178 (smug look).
LDECRexile
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Looking on realtimetrains I see that
539E 1228 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot
ran yesterday (11th Sept) which implies that one or more 319s ran North.
Did anyone photograph or film it?
539E 1228 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot
ran yesterday (11th Sept) which implies that one or more 319s ran North.
Did anyone photograph or film it?
DJH1971
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There is a picture on the 319 cascade to Northern thread on the Traction and Rolling Stock page.
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319363 operated on its own. I did not bother with it as there wil be plenty of opportunties to catch them on driver training over the next few months on the same stretch of lines - the only difference, in time they change their liveries.
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LDECRexile
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I went searching for 319s today.
In the process I found at least four mastless bases at the eastern exit from Allerton Depot by the tracks running into Hunts Cross from the West. As at Wavertree, Ince Moss and Earlestown these are interleaved with masts from much earlier electrification.
I found a 319 with an 08 shunter at its eastern end at the eastern side of the sheds at the depot.
At around the time the second training run to Crewe was due to leave the middle shed doors opened and the unit slowly emerged to the western side, plainly visible from the transfer deck at Liverpool South Parkway. It was being propelled by the 08. When all four carriages were clear of the shed it stopped. The only visible activity for the next three hours was the pantograph being raised then lowered.
Eventually the light went green and the unit was slowly dragged back indoors.
I've added seven photos here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/110155...rification20134?authkey=Gv1sRgCNmM9tLBtNTlgAE
In the process I found at least four mastless bases at the eastern exit from Allerton Depot by the tracks running into Hunts Cross from the West. As at Wavertree, Ince Moss and Earlestown these are interleaved with masts from much earlier electrification.
I found a 319 with an 08 shunter at its eastern end at the eastern side of the sheds at the depot.
At around the time the second training run to Crewe was due to leave the middle shed doors opened and the unit slowly emerged to the western side, plainly visible from the transfer deck at Liverpool South Parkway. It was being propelled by the 08. When all four carriages were clear of the shed it stopped. The only visible activity for the next three hours was the pantograph being raised then lowered.
Eventually the light went green and the unit was slowly dragged back indoors.
I've added seven photos here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/110155...rification20134?authkey=Gv1sRgCNmM9tLBtNTlgAE
DJH1971
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We can but hope the delay was caused by pre application discussions - and that this now means the application will go through without fuss!
Class377/5
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Training proper starts next week with limited use of the diagrams in the system. As of today there are diagrams seven days a week until mid October. There's even a spare 319 coming up but there's some bad news. Phase 2 wont be ready for December it seems. To be announced soon.
DJH1971
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Well, both Network Rail and Northern will have to amend their websites now.
Wonder how much it will be delayed by and will penalty clauses come into play now?
Looks like my fears have been justified all along.
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DJH1971
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No doubt some heads could be rolling now.
What exactly happened with that wiring train then? I'd read that there'd been a problem with it failing at some point, then someone posted a link to an article this week (either posted on here or on twitter) that said it had been in a near accident. Has that played the part in this delay or is there a lot more to it?
swt_passenger
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Why would that be then?
DJH1971
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Failing to meet the target.
swt_passenger
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If the problems are typical of this sort of project, I doubt anyone's 'head will roll'. Only if there has been some high degree of negligence or culpability somewhere...
DJH1971
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Wonder if this will now have a knock on effect on the following phases?
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Would it not also affect the ECML though. I would guess the ECML would have to be blocked and isolated in the Hambleton area whilst work is taking place as the junctions are also being wired. Therefore these services would need to be diverted via Knottingley or Leeds. Of course if Leeds to York is completed first then ECML electric services can be diverted this way without need for traction change at Leeds and / or York.
edwin_m
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Although I can't vouch for these ones, normal practice is to fully wire all junctions on electrification of one route, even if they lead to non-electrified lines. As well as providing a bit more leeway for a mis-routed electric train to stop, this means the other route can be electrified without re-doing the wiring on the junction itself. There would only have to be a short period of some disruption while the new plain line wiring was linked into the junction.
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Knock on effects for the wiring as a whole maybe troubling. What's happening on the GWML is happening elsewhere.
DJH1971
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Musit be a Virus :roll:
This should be in the Trans-Pennine electrification thread ...
Most eletrification projects include tie-ins to existing electrified lines but I wouldn't have thought it was a major issue. I would have thought disruption to the existing electrified lines arising from the tie-ins could be confined to a limited number of nights or weekends, possibly at times when maintenance was scheduled anyway.
It's in the published NR docs that both curves at Hambleton will be included in the Leeds-Selby electrification.
YES - keep this over in the Trans-Pennine electrification thread PLEASE.
LNW-GW Joint
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Difficult to see what the NW and GW projects have in common - different contractors (west of Maidenhead anyway), different construction kit, different design.
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Different set of problems.....
On GWML theyve mostly been planning red tape being put up by coucils and some under estimation of the extent of works required as the government pushed it before the full costs had been studied.
In the north west as far as i know there hasnt been any uncoperative councils, just unforseen ground conditions, things like finding an unmapped uncapped mine shaft that required filling and firmer overhead foundations being required in some areas which had poorer ground conditions than thought.
On GWML theyve mostly been planning red tape being put up by coucils and some under estimation of the extent of works required as the government pushed it before the full costs had been studied.
In the north west as far as i know there hasnt been any uncoperative councils, just unforseen ground conditions, things like finding an unmapped uncapped mine shaft that required filling and firmer overhead foundations being required in some areas which had poorer ground conditions than thought.
DJH1971
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Still heard nothing yet from NR regarding a statement.
LNW-GW Joint
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There's a full set of wires now up between Lea Green and Rainhill (Up line at least).
A few more masts up either side of Roby, but that's all that's new.
A few more masts up either side of Roby, but that's all that's new.
GRALISTAIR
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My prediction is that the project will be late but there will be a huge push over xmas and electric service will commence January 31st.
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