New ‘normal’ until the next planned change in September (although unlikely much will change then)
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May 2021 Timetable Change
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New ‘normal’ until the next planned change in September (although unlikely much will change then)
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sufian123
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Hi are EMR no longer running services to York from May? I quite enjoyed seeing them on weekends.
The plan is to run 2 on Saturdays and 1 on Sundays I believe, but they’re not in the system yet for some reason.
sufian123
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Thank you. Strange I hope it does or Covid it won’t happen?
Glenn1969
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Possibly Covid given we still don't officially know when leisure travel long distance will be allowed
newtownmgr
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Stay at home message ends 29th Mar & becomes stay local until 12th April. That aside potentially 17th May is more likely to see longer distance traveling starting to return.
ivorytoast28
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Plenty of people will be looking to get away as soon as they can I would have thought, so expect some long distance travel after the 12th April when stays in self contained accomodation are allowed.
And certainly into May and June as other stuff opens up people will be desperate to get out again this summer
If 17th May is international (as proposed in the roadmap) then 12th April seems to make sense for full domestic travel. More to this, overnight stays and many travel-needing activities are allowed from 12th April. Stay Local from 29th March (which I believe to be police district, but I could be wrong) and anything from the 12th April.
Glenn1969
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17th May is the earliest date for international travel. Personally given the slow vaccine rollout in the EU I don't see it before October without some form of vaccine passport. 17th May is also I think the date hotels can open. 12th April is self catering only and no indoor facilities
Europe’s situation does look worse, so we should at least stick with hotel quarantine for the next year or so.
Even so, not every local area will have a zoo (this is probably incorrect), so longer distance travel will be required.
The advice may still be to stay local from 29 March but it will no longer be the law - at least for England.
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No countries in Europe are on the UK ‘Red List’ requiring Hotel Quarantine currently.
Voyager lad
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Probably a bit of a silly question, but does anyone know what’s happening with the Avanti services to Walsall, and summer services to Llandudno? Both were due to commence from this May but I can’t seem to find any information on when they will now start!
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Considering they aren't expecting to be back at 9tph out of Euston until at least the end of summer, they won't be appearing soon.
Peregrine 4903
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Will the Glasgow Central trains go back to their xx30 slot?
HamworthyGoods
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Not in the May timetable change no.
Once the May timetable is agreed, what are the possibilities of services being removed nearer the time, due to demand relating to covid-19?
I mean obviously they want all the paths in to stop them being lost but they might not need them all to be used at that point.
I mean obviously they want all the paths in to stop them being lost but they might not need them all to be used at that point.
Services can be STP cancelled, as one option. That removes them from being shown on passenger facing systems.
The May timetable was agreed in January, and again (heavily revised) a few weeks ago, which is what you can see on Real Time Trains etc. It’s unlikely there will be any major changes to it, although you can’t yet rule it out.
It was a glorified ECS in some ways. I'm not too sure when (if) it will return.
Presumably the 0559 Derby to Newcastle went on to work the 0935 Newcastle to Southampton Central, which hasn't been running for the past year. I would guess that they would return together, if they do.
I wouldn't call it a "glorified ECS" by any means however, just because it didn't come from Birmingham. As the first service of the day from Sheffield to York and the North East, and to provide necessary commuter capacity from Darlington (0759) and Durham (0817) to Newcastle city centre, it clearly performed functions in its own right. That's not to say that those are necessary right now, of course, nor that they will be funded in the future.
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You've picked up the reasoning for my question! It was comfortably the most punctual/reliable of the commuting services which I used for work, and would be missed by me at least. It was not for a commuter-period service very busy but still usually pulled into Newcastle with 75-100% of seats used so served a function. For pedantry's sake there are a few earlier trains from York mind.
They ran very, very briefly between Jan 2020 - March 2020 but I cannot recall if it was half-hourly or hourly from Paddington at xx15 and/or xx45.
Some other changes involved are:
1736 Paddington - Paignton service now terminates at Plymouth (missing out Maidenhead in the process as there's presumably less commuters to anger!)
Trains no longer detaching/attaching at Plymouth and running fully throughout to Penzance as 9 or 10-cars (I'm sure @irish_rail will be moderately pleased!):
1004 Paddington to Penzance
1404 Paddington to Penzance
0910 Penzance to Paddington
1015 Penzance to Paddington
1615 Penzance to Paddington
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Mintona
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A couple ran in the peaks but they certainly didn’t run hourly or half hourly throughout the day.
It seems so long ago even though it was only last year! I distinctly remember some xx15 trains in the shoulder peaks, but yes I don't think the intention was to bring the 2nd superfast until May 2020 anyway.
I don't think the Cardiff terminators are coming back either in May.
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