May 2022 Timetable Changes

[Llandudno]

Transport for Wales is now showing. The Manchester to North Wales services are back.

No doubt operated by 2 car sets….!

 

[43055]

No doubt operated by 2 car sets….!

No different to the Birmingham and some Cardiff services which are 2 car as well.

 

[paulravuslante]

Still 4tph stopping service in West London, just extra calls at Acton Main Line and Hayes services going to Heathrow. That will depend on whether there is an increase in air travel - it would still be possible to cut half back to Hayes bay. Slight retiming of Reading services as well.

I have received notice of LTP diagrams saying that TfL Rail will serve Heathrow T2/3 4 times an hour from 13th March.

 

[Goldfish62]

I have received notice of LTP diagrams saying that TfL Rail will serve Heathrow T2/3 4 times an hour from 13th March.

Good. It's about time that was reinstated.

 

[paulravuslante]

Good. It's about time that was reinstated.

It’s always been 2 an hour previously, even as Heathrow Connect.

 

[Horizon22]

I have received notice of LTP diagrams saying that TfL Rail will serve Heathrow T2/3 4 times an hour from 13th March.

Yep extension of the Hayes & Harlington stoppers to T2/3 and then ECS to T4 and back (whilst the station is closed).

 

[Goldfish62]

It’s always been 2 an hour previously, even as Heathrow Connect.

I stand corrected then. I could have sworn it increased to 4tph just before Covid, but obviously not.

 

[berneyarms]

I have received notice of LTP diagrams saying that TfL Rail will serve Heathrow T2/3 4 times an hour from 13th March.

That makes sense given airline summer schedules come in from March 27th which will see a large uplift in flights.

 

[paulravuslante]

That makes sense given airline summer schedules come in from March 27th which will see a large uplift in flights.

That’s very interesting to know, thanks

 

[JonathanH]

I stand corrected then. I could have sworn it increased to 4tph just before Covid, but obviously not.

345s couldn't run in passenger service to Heathrow until July 2020.

 

[paulravuslante]

I stand corrected then. I could have sworn it increased to 4tph just before Covid, but obviously not.

No probs. A Heathrow branch signaller was introduced in December 2021 which has allowed for the increase in service apparently.

 

[sleeper fan]

Cross Country timetables are up on RTT. No change to Bournemouth services. Some extra Manchester to Bristols again (not regular though) and longest train remains Saturday only. Not great moving towards summer

 

[Mainline421]

CrossCountry timetable has finally appeared. A tiny step in the right direction, but very disappointing.

Two of the hourly Bristol to Manchester service have been restored at 14:00 and 16:00 from BRI, and three from MAN at 07:05, 09:05 and 17:05. Additionally 1E44 from Southampton starts from Bristol instead running in the path of the 13:00 as as far as Birmingham. There appears to be a new Bristol to Cardiff early morning service that looks to be a 170.

North East-South Coast remains suspended except one service each way that starts/terminates at Banbury and a morning Nottingham-Reading, Southampton still has only 1/3 of it's pre-covid service, and many stops are still skipped for "social distancing".

 

[class 9]

XC going back to hourly Newcastle-Edinburgh,bar one.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

XC going back to hourly Newcastle-Edinburgh,bar one.

This is sort of nonsense GBR needs to get a grip of there is already a half hourly LNER service and the TPE service so XC should be focussing on restoring more services operating south where frequency and capacity is already constrained.

This reeks of old railway ORCATs raid to me which is no longer relevant.

 

[dk1]

This is sort of nonsense GBR needs to get a grip of there is already a half hourly LNER service and the TPE service so XC should be focussing on restoring more services operating south where frequency and capacity is already constrained.

This reeks of old railway ORCATs raid to me which is no longer relevant.

But that should have no real affect on restoring services in the southern half of the network. It’s not as if there are any shortages in the Voyagers or HSTs fleet.

 

[class 9]

This is sort of nonsense GBR needs to get a grip of there is already a half hourly LNER service and the TPE service so XC should be focussing on restoring more services operating south where frequency and capacity is already constrained.

This reeks of old railway ORCATs raid to me which is no longer relevant.

Nonsense? It's just restoring services that have run for years!

 

[Tayway]

This is sort of nonsense GBR needs to get a grip of there is already a half hourly LNER service and the TPE service so XC should be focussing on restoring more services operating south where frequency and capacity is already constrained.

This reeks of old railway ORCATs raid to me which is no longer relevant.

Surely if one operator needs removing from the line north of Newcastle it should be TPE, seeing as they have only been running to Edinburgh for two or three years, while XC trains have crossed the border since the days of British Rail?

 

[class 9]

Surely if one operator needs removing from the line north of Newcastle it should be TPE, seeing as they have only been running to Edinburgh for two or three years, while XC trains have crossed the border since the days of British Rail?

Absolutely, the TPE services extending to Edinburgh was an "ORCATS raid" as the previous poster puts it.

 

[Blindtraveler]

I haven't looked in any detail but are the cross-country Edinburgh Motherwell Glasgow Central back in any significant strength? They would make even more of a killing on this flow now ScotRail have savagely pruned there Edinburgh to Glasgow Central via carstairs and Motherwell offering


And before anyone points out amazingly that passenger travel patterns have changed, possibly but not too huge extent given the number of people banging their gums on social media and in local press. If the real way does not restore this link on a regular basis then get more customers will flock onto whatever contrivance some enterprising bus company in States to move them instead

 

[dk1]

Surely if one operator needs removing from the line north of Newcastle it should be TPE, seeing as they have only been running to Edinburgh for two or three years, while XC trains have crossed the border since the days of British Rail?

But TPE are contracted by Transport Scotland to serve the new stations being constructed. Basically operating a ‘local’ service five times daily between Newcastle & Edinburgh.

 

[class 9]

But TPE are contracted by Transport Scotland to serve the new stations being constructed. Basically operating a ‘local’ service five times daily between Newcastle & Edinburgh.

The decision as to which operator will serve the new stations at Reston & East Linton was part of the recasting of the ECML timetable in May 22, but this has now been deferred to May 2023.
Incidentally the draft of the May 22 timetable recast showed the TPE services north of Newcastle being binned.

 

[dk1]

The decision as to which operator will serve the new stations at Reston & East Linton was part of the recasting of the ECML timetable in May 22, but this has now been deferred to May 2023.
Incidentally the draft of the May 22 timetable recast showed the TPE services north of Newcastle being binned.

Still showing them on RTT so that’s interesting.

 

[swt_passenger]

Still showing them on RTT so that’s interesting.

I think @class 9 is referring to the original May 22 consultation that was discussed at length last year. In that consultation TPE would not have been running north of Newcastle at all. At that point it was intended Reston would have been served by LNER and XC. The decision to introduce TPE short workings is a more recent decision subsequent to the main 2021 consultation.

 

[dk1]

I think @class 9 is referring to the original May 22 consultation that was discussed at length last year. In that consultation TPE would not have been running north of Newcastle at all. At that point it was intended Reston would have been served by LNER and XC. The decision to introduce TPE short workings is a more recent decision subsequent to the main 2021 consultation.

I had been referring to the ‘local’ TPE service sponsored by Transport Scotland so no idea why? The extension of the Liverpool-Newcastle never really got off the ground due to the pandemic & has been widely reported to have been cancelled.

 

[Acton1991]

Yep extension of the Hayes & Harlington stoppers to T2/3 and then ECS to T4 and back (whilst the station is closed).

Will these have the additional stops at Acton Main Line, West Ealing etc or do we need to wait until May?

 

[Horizon22]

Will these have the additional stops at Acton Main Line, West Ealing etc or do we need to wait until May?

They do have West Ealing and Hanwell, but Acton ML remains at 2tph.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Nonsense? It's just restoring services that have run for years!

Agreed but given the poor service level towards the South from the NE my argument is they would be better bolstering service levels there rather than adding to capacity where there is good provision already.

 

[Goldfish62]

CrossCountry timetable has finally appeared. Many stops are still skipped for "social distancing".

Now that is really taking the ****. What possible excuse can they have for skipping stops? What a shower.

 

[dk1]

Now that is really taking the ****. What possible excuse can they have for skipping stops? What a shower.

I have to agree. Whatever is going on with XC? It’s such a toxic concession/franchise.