New Scottish COVID-19 Restrictions 07/10/2020

[Huntergreed]

Look at it the other way, if they can't (/won't) charge one person for travelling 900 miles whilst positive, what are the odds of them charging thousands of student who're almost certainly not positive for travelling significantly less distance

Significantly higher I imagine, considering how politicians seem to be able to get away with these things, whilst us unworthy citizens are not granted such a privilege

 

[Yew]

Significantly higher I imagine, considering how politicians seem to be able to get away with these things, whilst us unworthy citizens are not granted such a privilege

Indeed, they'll just 'make examples' of a few of them, so they can say that there being tough on COVID

 

[Scotrail12]

Covid in Scotland: Level four restrictions considered for Lanarkshire

Councils have been told that level four measures could be introduced in North and South Lanarkshire.

www.bbc.co.uk

North and South Lanarkshire are being considered for Level 4 restrictions, according to the Scottish government.
A letter to the umbrella body for Scotland's councils says ministers are considering implementing the toughest restrictions in the two council areas.
They are the only local authorities in the country where the "level of concern" is such that the highest level of restrictions could be imposed.

Good luck - no way that I'm complying, not least since I live right on the edge of the North Lanarkshire/Glasgow City Council border and am more likely to do things over there than I am here.

 

[Domh245]

They'll probably make examples of any that they catch, but short of diverting entire police forces to blockade the access roads to university halls, it strikes me as another policy that'd be very difficult to enforce. For example, I don't think you'd have police manning the halls on a tuesday night a week before the end of term

 

[HSTEd]

They'll probably make examples of any that they catch, but short of diverting entire police forces to blockade the access roads to university halls, it strikes me as another policy that'd be very difficult to enforce. For example, I don't think you'd have police manning the halls on a tuesday night a week before the end of term

They just knock on every door in the hall, gain a pile of warrants to enter any room where the door isn't answered, then fine anyone not present.

Or trip the fire alarm and fine anyone who doesn't answer the roll.

 

[Huntergreed]

They just knock on every door in the hall, gain a pile of warrants to enter any room where the door isn't answered, then fine anyone not present.

Or trip the fire alarm and fine anyone who doesn't answer the roll.

And if someone is working? Shopping? Exercising? This clearly wouldn’t work.

Also issuing an entry warrant to someone on that basis is absolutely an invasion of privacy.

 

[Richard Scott]

And if someone is working? Shopping? Exercising? This clearly wouldn’t work.

Also issuing an entry warrant to someone on that basis is absolutely an invasion of privacy.

Also is a total waste of police time and resources.

 

[HSTEd]

And if someone is working? Shopping? Exercising? This clearly wouldn’t work.

They can do it every day if they want.

Good luck proving you were out every day at the randomly selected times!

Also is a total waste of police time and resources.

In terms of minutes of police time spent per conviction it is probably a very very efficient way of doing things.

 

[kez19]

Covid in Scotland: Level four restrictions considered for Lanarkshire

Councils have been told that level four measures could be introduced in North and South Lanarkshire.

www.bbc.co.uk

Good luck - no way that I'm complying, not least since I live right on the edge of the North Lanarkshire/Glasgow City Council border and am more likely to do things over there than I am here.

Yet in the same article they say Lanarkshire is stabling so what be the point of level 4? Or is it just to put the boot in?

I read that Dundee maybe on Level 3 but yet watching news tonight both BBC/STV seem to be hyping this up, is it not about time the Scottish media wind it’s neck in?

Scotland's Covid restrictions: Sturgeon says Dundee may go into tier 3

Nicola Sturgeon has warned Dundee faces tougher Covid restrictions amid growing concern about the rising number of cases in the area. At her daily

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

Dundee would be one of the areas where there is a question at the moment about whether it needs to go up a level. No decision has been taken there, but it is one part of the country we are looking at closely.”

Nicola Sturgeon

So at a guess level 2 we are in Dundee but she may go for 3..

Just to add she should keep the gyms/lesiure centres open... not close them (I be surprised if this did happen and she had to also backtrack and to add gyms were opened later to the rest of the UK)

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

I read that Dundee maybe on Level 3 but yet watching news tonight both BBC/STV seem to be hyping this up, is it not about time the Scottish media wind it’s neck in?

Scotland's Covid restrictions: Sturgeon says Dundee may go into tier 3

Nicola Sturgeon has warned Dundee faces tougher Covid restrictions amid growing concern about the rising number of cases in the area. At her daily

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

Dundee would be one of the areas where there is a question at the moment about whether it needs to go up a level. No decision has been taken there, but it is one part of the country we are looking at closely."

Another dart thrown at the hospitality industry in the city, despite most pubs being closed at the moment voluntarily!

 

[kez19]

Another dart thrown at the hospitality industry in the city, despite most pubs being closed at the moment voluntarily!

Remember she is doing the right thing...science and all that

I think with all these policies they put into for these levels/tiers none is thought through.

I’m sure this is COVID lottery/bingo

 

[Scotrail12]

Yet in the same article they say Lanarkshire is stabling so what be the point of level 4? Or is it just to put the boot in?

I think Glasgow is causing more issues but there's no way she would put her dearest Glasgow in Tier 4 so will instead just put the nearest area possible into it instead.

Of course, everyone from North & South Lanarkshire will just flock into Glasgow on a Saturday to go shopping anyway so it's pointless.

 

[kez19]

I think Glasgow is causing more issues but there's no way she would put her dearest Glasgow in Tier 4 so will instead just put the nearest area possible into it instead.

Of course, everyone from North & South Lanarkshire will just flock into Glasgow on a Saturday to go shopping anyway so it's pointless.

This is what I fail to understand (well I do really) she was quick throwing Aberdeen to the dogs but for Glasgow it’s leave it alone, I’m surprised why she can’t put Edinburgh and Glasgow into 4 but again her core voters, I be surprised if Dundee does get 3 but if it was pushed to a 4 I can see people being angry but I just think it’s just made up, odd thing for me is I have the orthodontist in couple weeks regardless of this I will now have to check if appointment will go ahead or not to bother

edit: just to say I like the people of Glasgow and Edinburgh nothing against them but the way this has all been publicised it comes across as a divide than treating areas equally

Just to add with these decisions they come away with I guess they forget that people may have appointments booked but yes ok let’s throw everyone under a bus and not care, wouldn’t this too be helpful to know what’s happening.

 

[greyman42]

This is what I fail to understand (well I do really) she was quick throwing Aberdeen to the dogs but for Glasgow it’s leave it alone, I’m surprised why she can’t put Edinburgh and Glasgow into 4 but again her core voters, I be surprised if Dundee does get 3 but if it was pushed to a 4 I can see people being angry but I just think it’s just made up, odd thing for me is I have the orthodontist in couple weeks regardless of this I will now have to check if appointment will go ahead or not to bother

edit: just to say I like the people of Glasgow and Edinburgh nothing against them but the way this has all been publicised it comes across as a divide than treating areas equally

Just to add with these decisions they come away with I guess they forget that people may have appointments booked but yes ok let’s throw everyone under a bus and not care, wouldn’t this too be helpful to know what’s happening.

Sturgeon will carry on doing this while she thinks the people of Scotland will put up with it. If the people of Scotland make it clear that there are going to be consequences at the ballot box then she will have to think again. So it is up to the people of Scotland to voice their grievances.

 

[kez19]

Sturgeon will carry on doing this while she thinks the people of Scotland will put up with it. If the people of Scotland make it clear that there are going to be consequences at the ballot box then she will have to think again. So it is up to the people of Scotland to voice their grievances.

I heard as well that the independence rally in Dundee is getting the go ahead.... from my local paper https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/...go-ahead-after-remembrance-services-scrapped/



Nicola Sturgeon has warned guidance against large gatherings “applies across the board” amid anger over an independence rally set to take place in Dundee next week despite Remembrance services being scrapped.

The campaign group All Under One Banner (AUOB), who were behind some of Scotland’s biggest Yes marches before the coronavirus pandemic, will hold a “rally for independence” in Dundee on October 31.

and here comes the biggest clanger.... (which I wish people would click onto for me I did)....



Dundee City Council confirmed “no application has been submitted for permission for such an event” and said any application would need to be considered by officials before a decision could be made on whether to let it take place.

But The Courier has learned details of the rally were discussed during a private meeting of political group leaders on the council, and AUOB were still advertising registration for the rally on social media on Monday afternoon.


I believe as far as I now know its been given the green light... so the council were unaware of the application but strangely enough a couple of MP's connected with the group are known to have been in talks? So again double standards in plain sight! I have an idea politician wise who they maybe but knowing the MP's in the area just what is the point? If this has gone ahead on Saturday I would say public go out with your children and go guising - why should people obey things yet others can get away with? I doubt STV News will question these MP's locally regarding this.

So its OK to march and protest (nothing against protesting) but it just smacks the reality of politicians playing the public as sheep or something or they are being clever with how to do these restrictions ie not meet up with friends/family but you can at the following events.


Just to add from local paper...

LIVE UPDATES: 'Possible' Dundee will be put under 'tier three' coronavirus restrictions, Nicola Sturgeon tells MSPs

Here are the latest live news updates from Dundee and the local area, with an eye also on big national and international stories.

www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk

• Nicola Sturgeon says it's 'possible' Dundee could be put under level three coronavirus restrictions
• 1,327 new coronavirus cases
• 25 people have died in the past 24 hours after testing positive for the virus in the past 28 days
• Two of these deaths were in Tayside - one in Dundee and another in Perth

Scottish parliament tiering framework debate



Nicola Sturgeon has announced changes to hospitality restrictions in the proposed tier system of local lockdowns.
The First Minister told Holyrood that ministers plan to establish an expert group to examine reintroducing low-level music to venues.
She also said closing times for venues at Level 1 and Level 2 would be extended to 10.30pm from 10pm, before adding that pubs and restaurants could remain open under curfew at Level 3 but not serve alcohol.
Ms Sturgeon also said North and South Lanarkshire council areas are being considered for the highest level of restrictions under the proposed tier system.
The First Minister told Holyrood that areas in the central belt covered by tougher measures would likely move into Level 3, while the rest of the country would be at Level 2.
She added it was hoped local authority areas including the Highlands, Shetland, Orkney, the Western Isles and Moray would go into Level 1, while Dundee could also go into Level 3.

 

[scotrail158713]

Sturgeon will carry on doing this while she thinks the people of Scotland will put up with it. If the people of Scotland make it clear that there are going to be consequences at the ballot box then she will have to think again. So it is up to the people of Scotland to voice their grievances.

Absolutely. It was around the time that Glasgow began to increase and nothing was done, after Aberdeen had restrictions, that it had clearly gone political and she lost it for me.
I know what I’ll be doing about that at the ballot box next May. Although - but this may be going OT - is there a risk that they might be able to postpone elections due to “public safety”? That would be the last straw for me if it was the case.

 

[Huntergreed]

Absolutely. It was around the time that Glasgow began to increase and nothing was done, after Aberdeen had restrictions, that it had clearly gone political and she lost it for me.
I know what I’ll be doing about that at the ballot box next May. Although - but this may be going OT - is there a risk that they might be able to postpone elections due to “public safety”? That would be the last straw for me if it was the case.

I would argue the election should be brought forward for 'public safety' to rid her, as she's destroying Scotland.

 

[scotrail158713]

I would argue the election should be brought forward for 'public safety' to rid her, as she's destroying Scotland.

I’d be inclined to agree, but we all know how likely that is to happen. I think I’ve got more chance of getting to the moon this year.

 

[kristiang85]

I would argue the election should be brought forward for 'public safety' to rid her, as she's destroying Scotland.

But who will do anything different? Labour are just as crazy for lockdowns as the SNP are, and the Tories will only be mildly better but still on a path to destroying the UK's economy.

 

[Scotrail12]

I think I'd just bite the bullet and go with the Scottish Tories in next year's election. Judge me all you want and I'm not a Boris supporter by any means but they're the most tactical way to get Sturgeon out - Scottish Labour are dead anyway plus they'd be no better handling the lockdown.

I still think she'll win (at least where I live, people are up her backside and it's an SNP echo chamber) but not with as much of a majority as pre-COVID.

 

[kez19]

I think I'd just bite the bullet and go with the Scottish Tories in next year's election. Judge me all you want and I'm not a Boris supporter by any means but they're the most tactical way to get Sturgeon out - Scottish Labour are dead anyway plus they'd be no better handling the lockdown.

I still think she'll win (at least where I live, people are up her backside and it's an SNP echo chamber) but not with as much of a majority as pre-COVID.

I think it shouldn't matter who you vote for, I use to vote SNP, I am guilty of that and have learnt from it but I would say this though it doesn't matter who you vote for regardless they all in the trough -- if they really cared about their voters they would actually get out and understand the public problems other than what I see is basically photo/media ops.

Regarding the opposition parties - yes where are they? Seems like they don't hold her to account its more like a bit of a piggyback ride (wonder what else hides in their own cupboards in relation to SNP)

As I said in one of the threads I have complained to my council regarding an issue - has it been done since? Nope! So why should I bother? Person in charge may not be a politician but maybe in relation to the council run (SNP) so why should I care if they chap my door looking for my vote? If they do come to the door I am more than willing to let it out with them regardless! Its laughable though they say they "care" when they don't unless its something in it for them.

 

[Cowley]

Could we try and keep this on the subject of the current COVID restrictions please.
Thanks!

 

[Scotrail314209]

I seriously hope they don't introduce more restrictions as a lot of people I know are beginning to get seriously fed up.

Ayrshire is a hot spot, yet the only person I know directly who has contracted COVID is my hairdresser, which I haven't been to since March.

How many people know someone who has had COVID? I certainly don't.

 

[Scotrail12]

How many people know someone who has had COVID? I certainly don't.

My uncle (early 40s) had it and was fine. My mum's good friend also had it recently, again nothing major happened.

I've heard of a few people who have had positive tests but I have heard of 0 people who have became seriously ill, hospitalised or dead with it and I know people of all ages.

 

[Scotrail314209]

My uncle (early 40s) had it and was fine. My mum's good friend also had it recently, again nothing major happened.

I've heard of a few people who have had positive tests but I have heard of 0 people who have became seriously ill, hospitalised or dead with it and I know people of all ages.

I also believe that the Government are looking for ways to essentially punish the students. They noticed that there were outbreaks when the Universities and Schools went back, but did nothing to curb them except banning them from leaving the dorms?

Why should the students suffer the flack when it was the clear lack of preparation on the University's part. Students were barred from leaving, so barring them in at CHRISTMAS is going to lead to some serious uprorar.

 

[DB]

I also believe that the Government are looking for ways to essentially punish the students. They noticed that there were outbreaks when the Universities and Schools went back, but did nothing to curb them except banning them from leaving the dorms?

Why should the students suffer the flack when it was the clear lack of preparation on the University's part. Students were barred from leaving, so barring them in at CHRISTMAS is going to lead to some serious uprorar.

Don't think you can blame the universities either - it's just one of those things which was bound to happen and is nobody's fault.

 

[trebor79]

I seriously hope they don't introduce more restrictions as a lot of people I know are beginning to get seriously fed up.

Ayrshire is a hot spot, yet the only person I know directly who has contracted COVID is my hairdresser, which I haven't been to since March.

How many people know someone who has had COVID? I certainly don't.

Don't know anybody personally who has had it. 150 people at a local poultry processing plant had it, 90% were asymptomatic, one person needed hospital treatment.
Local press is reporting another meat processing plant has so far found 160 infected people out of 330 tested so far. ALL of them are asymptomatic.

 

[Scotrail314209]

Don't know anybody personally who has had it. 150 people at a local poultry processing plant had it, 90% were asymptomatic, one person needed hospital treatment.
Local press is reporting another meat processing plant has so far found 160 infected people out of 330 tested so far. ALL of them are asymptomatic.

I'm seeing an ever so slight trend here.

Don't think you can blame the universities either - it's just one of those things which was bound to happen and is nobody's fault.

That's true. Unless if you are the Government, then it's the students fault.

 

[BJames]

I also believe that the Government are looking for ways to essentially punish the students. They noticed that there were outbreaks when the Universities and Schools went back, but did nothing to curb them except banning them from leaving the dorms?

Why should the students suffer the flack when it was the clear lack of preparation on the University's part. Students were barred from leaving, so barring them in at CHRISTMAS is going to lead to some serious uprorar.

Not that I go to University in Scotland but I've just popped home for a few days from the Midlands to London. Nobody is going to know and if they do it bothers me very little, other than my friends who have also mostly gone home too for a few days. I've just had the virus so my parents are unconcerned, they are aware of the miniscule risks but would rather see me.

I do feel for the Scottish students though who do seem to be having a much harder time with their government and unis.

 

[trebor79]

I'm seeing an ever so slight trend here.

Food and in particular meat plants have been the centre of outbreaks in the UK and in other countries. It's thought the cold temperatures help the virus to remain viable for longer, and people tend to be working in close proximity to each other. They also tend to have a lot of migratory workers on low wages who car and house share a lot more than is perhaps normal.