Northern 150/3

[507021]

Ah right
Do you have the link to the photo?

It's not the best angle, but you can see the blue swoop is still present on the cab end of the centre car.

Credit to 47405 on Flickr.

150004 - Newton Heath TMD

Newly formed 150004 parked up in the sun at Newton Heath TMD

www.flickr.com

 

[ic31420]

Sorry but the 150s will be around for at least 5 more years as there is no replacement on the horizon, same goes for Class 155, 156, 158 so most 150s will get 40 years service!!

A sobering thought for those of us who remember the new 150s

What is parts availability like both for the units and engines?

 

[greatvoyager]

Yes, the original plan was to use them on the east side of the Pennines on a larger number of routes, but this idea was binned. The fleet plan that's been implemented is very different from "Plan A", in fact there's been that many changes to it we must be on something like Plan P or Q by now.

As we know, the idea has now been revived to boost capacity on the west side, but on less routes so less units (six units for six diagrams) are required.

Ah okay, thanks for the explanation.

 

[danielnez1]

In some ways that's rather appropriate for a 3-car 150... back in the late 1980s, 150001 had a variety of different seating styles across the 3 vehicles.

Hopefully without derailing this thread too much, I have come across a photo album by Jonathan Hazan that shows the various types of seating fitted to 150 001:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jonhazan/albums/72157712839546596

 

[diligentdave]

These things do take a little time to sort.

 

[XAM2175]

These things do take a little time to sort.

I can't help but think that the cab door on the middle unit should have changed colour too

 

[Mack91]

I can't help but think that the cab door on the middle unit should have changed colour too

It has, from white to blue.

 

[XAM2175]

It has, from white to blue.

Has it? Should it not be the same colour as the body sides, as it's not a passenger door?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Has it? Should it not be the same colour as the body sides, as it's not a passenger door?

I assume it will be used as one on the 150/3s. There is no need for it by guards anyway while it’s a middle carriage.

 

[skyhigh]

Has it? Should it not be the same colour as the body sides, as it's not a passenger door?

It is a passenger door.

(Long answer, when the driver is keyed into that end cab on a 150/2, the door is disabled. When it's elsewhere in the formation other than the active cab, it works as a normal passenger door. So seeing that the cab won't be used in the middle, it's always going to be a passenger door. On a 150/1, the cab doors are never for passenger use and therefore painted the same colour as the bodyside.)

 

[XAM2175]

(Long answer, when the driver is keyed into that end cab on a 150/2, the door is disabled. When it's elsewhere in the formation other than the active cab, it works as a normal passenger door. So seeing that the cab won't be used in the middle, it's always going to be a passenger door. On a 150/1, the cab doors are never for passenger use and therefore painted the same colour as the bodyside.)

Ah I see, I thought they all behaved like the 150/1. Thanks and sorry for the interruption!

 

[greatvoyager]

These things do take a little time to sort.

That looks much better.

 

[diligentdave]

It is a passenger door.

(Long answer, when the driver is keyed into that end cab on a 150/2, the door is disabled. When it's elsewhere in the formation other than the active cab, it works as a normal passenger door. So seeing that the cab won't be used in the middle, it's always going to be a passenger door. On a 150/1, the cab doors are never for passenger use and therefore painted the same colour as the bodyside.)

Thanks for explaining. Basically, it is part of the PRMTSI regulations that a usable passenger door has to contrast with the bodyside colour.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Hopefully without derailing this thread too much, I have come across a photo album by Jonathan Hazan that shows the various types of seating fitted to 150 001:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jonhazan/albums/72157712839546596

Cheers for that, proves that it wasn't a false memory on my part from over 30 years ago. The "Sprinter Link" headboard looks a bit amateurish!

Ah I see, I thought they all behaved like the 150/1. Thanks and sorry for the interruption!

Just to add, the cab/crew doors on a 150/1 (or the two pre-series units) are inward-opening slam doors so can't be used by passengers (though I have been invited to use one under the supervision of a guard years ago). The ones on /2s behave the same as the main doors when not at the front of the formation as mentioned above, they're just narrow.

 

[py_megapixel]

It is a passenger door.

(Long answer, when the driver is keyed into that end cab on a 150/2, the door is disabled. When it's elsewhere in the formation other than the active cab, it works as a normal passenger door. So seeing that the cab won't be used in the middle, it's always going to be a passenger door. On a 150/1, the cab doors are never for passenger use and therefore painted the same colour as the bodyside.)

I concur - I've used it before! (as a passenger)

Incidentally it's the same width as one 150 door leaf, NOT the same width as a 156 as you might otherwise assume, which does make it a bit of a squeeze to get in and out of if you're carrying a bag.

 

[507021]

That looks much better.

Completely agree.

 

[greatvoyager]

Completely agree.

Looks quite smart I think.

 

[jonesy3001]

150223 not 224 is the unit being used for 005 and 006.

 

[AlistairCowell]

So this means I can provide the fleet list for the Northern Class 150/3s
Hope the list is correct:

150001 - 55200 + 55400 + 55300 (original prototype units) - Ashbourne Seating
150002 - 55201 + 55401 + 55301 (original prototype units) - Ashbourne Seating
150003 - 52116 + 57209 + 57116 (ex-150116) - Ashbourne Seating
150004 - 52112 + 57212 + 57112 (ex-150112) - Ashbourne Seating
150005 - 52117 + 52223 + 57117 (ex-150117) - Ashbourne Seating (52117 + 57117), Chapman Seating (52223).
150006 - 52147 + 57223 + 57147 (ex-150147) - Chapman Seating

 

[jonesy3001]

So this means I can provide the fleet list for the Northern Class 150/3s
Hope the list is correct:

150001 - 55200 + 55400 + 55300 (original prototype units) - Ashbourne Seating
150002 - 55201 + 55401 + 55301 (original prototype units) - Ashbourne Seating
150003 - 52116 + 57209 + 57116 (ex-150116) - Ashbourne Seating
150004 - 52112 + 57212 + 57112 (ex-150112) - Ashbourne Seating
150005 - 52117 + 52223 + 57117 (ex-150117) - Ashbourne Seating (52117 + 57117), Chapman Seating (52223).
150006 - 52147 + 57223 + 57147 (ex-150147) - Chapman Seating

There's pics inthe sprinter group on facebook with it split and the cab numbers rubbed off.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/614419401958668/permalink/4036783316388909/

 

[David Goddard]

Thanks for the formations. Plays havoc with the old OCD but looking forward to seeing them nonetheless!
Need to remember this is the reason why we cant spot 112/6/7/47/223 any more as well.

 

[greatvoyager]

150223 not 224 is the unit being used for 005 and 006.

Was there a reason for the change?

 

[jonesy3001]

Was there a reason for the change?

No idea, just seen the pics.

 

[greatvoyager]

No idea, just seen the pics.

Either way, good to see progress.

 

[Ant158]

Looking on Realtime Trains today, it appears that for the Clitheroe line only the Dalesrail service is 158 operated today. 150004, 150005 & 150006 are shown to be operating.

I will miss the variety the random unit generator this line has had, with 150s 153s, 156s and 158s if this is a sign of what is to come.

From a passenger perspective, 153/156/158 have been the main traction for a while now, this is like a backwards step to 2/3 seating. 150's have operated the line since the 1990s!

 

[Roger B]

Looking on Realtime Trains today, it appears that for the Clitheroe line only the Dalesrail service is 158 operated today. 150004, 150005 & 150006 are shown to be operating.

I will miss the variety the random unit generator this line has had, with 150s 153s, 156s and 158s if this is a sign of what is to come.

From a passenger perspective, 153/156/158 have been the main traction for a while now, this is like a backwards step to 2/3 seating. 150's have operated the line since the 1990s!

Wow. Wasn't aware all these are in service. Is 150003 in service as well? Anyone know that dates each of them entered service, please? Cheers

 

[Ant158]

Wow. Wasn't aware all these are in service. Is 150003 in service as well? Anyone know that dates each of them entered service, please? Cheers

I assume they only entered service today as there was still a mix of 153/156/158 formations on the Clitheroes yesterday.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I assume they only entered service today as there was still a mix of 153/156/158 formations on the Clitheroes yesterday.

What will the 153s be doing then?

 

[Defiance149]

A posting elsewhere has 150005 as being ex 150147 and 150006 as ex 150117, the opposite way round to what has been quoted so far. Can anyone confirm for sure which is right please?

 

[175001]

150004 didn't last long. Swapped with 001 this afternoon due to faults