Northern Unit Refurbishments

[43096]

Has a contract actually been signed?

The units involved are now leased to Northern and sub-leased back to EMR. So the lease is signed.

 

[superkev]

Strange to have a weekend with no moves too and from works as Northerns refurb program comes to an end.
Re the above mentioned expected 156s and associated 153 withdrawal perhaps a new thread.
K

 

[jonesy3001]

Strange to have a weekend with no moves too and from works as Northerns refurb program comes to an end.
Re the above mentioned expected 156s and associated 153 withdrawal perhaps a new thread.
K

Also the WMT 323s that will be joining northern either later this year or next.

 

[James Kevill]

Also the WMT 323s that will be joining northern either later this year or next.

Will it be either 17 or 26 323 units?

 

[jonesy3001]

Will it be either 17 or 26 323 units?

Won't know now, the 319s could be round for a little while longer due to delays on the new sets for WMT.

 

[OTRail]

I can see it being the full 26 for extra six carriage services but who knows - only time will tell with that one.

 

[James Kevill]

I can see it being the full 26 for extra six carriage services but who knows - only time will tell with that one.

Oh so it will be 26 then after all?

 

[43096]

Oh so it will be 26 then after all?

That’s OTRail’s opinion. As they rightly say, time will tell. So far we have 17 agreed; the fate of the other 9 is unconfirmed.

 

[James Kevill]

That’s OTRail’s opinion. As they rightly say, time will tell. So far we have 17 agreed; the fate of the other 9 is unconfirmed.

Oh Right. So it might be 17 then.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Leeds area folk won't want non air-conditioned trains so whenever the 333s leave they'll have to be replaced with 331s or a new build.

 

[jonesy3001]

Leeds area folk won't want non air-conditioned trains so whenever the 333s leave they'll have to be replaced with 331s or a new build.

Probably be more 331s if northern are after ordering more

 

[superkev]

Strange to have a weekend with no moves too and from works as Northerns refurb program comes to an end.
Re the above mentioned expected 156s and associated 153 withdrawal perhaps a new thread.
K

I note someone has started a dedicated thread the move of EMR 156s to Northern.

E M R 156s to Northern

The units involved are now leased to Northern and sub-leased back to EMR. So the lease is signed. That’s good news, thanks. Will they be based at Newton Heath, does anyone know? I know the 153s were Neville Hill, but there are no 156s there currently so I assumed they’d be adding to the NH...

www.railforums.co.uk

K

 

[4REP]

Are we jumping the gun here a little?
Has it been confirmed that 333s are being replaced by 331s?

 

[OTRail]

Are we jumping the gun here a little?
Has it been confirmed that 333s are being replaced by 331s?

No it hasn’t - it’s not even confirmed that Northern are ordering more, they just said it would be preferable if they did to avoid coupling issues

 

[3973EXL]

STP 20/02
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1404 Newton Heath T.M.D. to Crewe C.S. (L&Nwr Site)

We'll also find out if 158791 is ready yet if WTT Realtime Trains - FRGT 0922 Crewe C.S. to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D runs.

20/02 Update

Realtime Trains - 569W 0922 Crewe C.S. to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D Dep 0908

 

[superkev]

STP 20/02
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1404 Newton Heath T.M.D. to Crewe C.S. (L&Nwr Site)

We'll also find out if 158791 is ready yet if WTT Realtime Trains - FRGT 0922 Crewe C.S. to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D runs.

20/02 Update

Realtime Trains - 569W 0922 Crewe C.S. to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D Dep 0908

0922 Crewe to NL running.
Most likely 158791 which if so would just leave 158861 at Crewe to complete Northerns refub program.
K

 

[3973EXL]

1404 NH - Crewe dep 1359
Realtime Trains - 579W 1404 Newton Heath T.M.D. to Crewe C.S. (L&Nwr Site)

 

[Dan15812]

1404 NH - Crewe dep 1359
Realtime Trains - 579W 1404 Newton Heath T.M.D. to Crewe C.S. (L&Nwr Site)

That could be one of the prototype refurb 150/155 that have the turquoise grab poles and grey seat backs/ cream end walls.

 

[NoMorePacers]

That could be one of the prototype refurb 150/155 that have the turquoise grab poles and grey seat backs/ cream end walls.

Both of the units you're thinking of (150275 and 155346) are based at Neville Hill AFAIK so it wouldn't be those.

 

[Dan15812]

Both of the units you're thinking of (150275 and 155346) are based at Neville Hill AFAIK so it wouldn't be those.

Thanks, you probably know more than me.
Although, I do hope both 150275 and 155346 get their treatment to bring them in line to the rest of the uniform fleet.

 

[JakeMurphy]

Looking at Crewe Cam it was either 150001 or 150002

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Both of the units you're thinking of (150275 and 155346) are based at Neville Hill AFAIK so it wouldn't be those.

Which 150/2s are the Newton based ones? I remember hearing after refurbishment all 150/1s would go to NH and the 150/2s would be split between NH and NL, with more at the latter.

 

[ls2270]

Looking at Crewe Cam it was either 150001 or 150002

It was 150001.

 

[superkev]

0922 Crewe to NL running.
Most likely 158791 which if so would just leave 158861 at Crewe to complete Northerns refub program.
K

Anyone confirm it was 158781 from crewe to Neville Hill today Sat?
Thanks
K

 

[158757]

Anyone confirm it was 158781 from crewe to Neville Hill today Sat?
Thanks
K

A picture on the sprinter group on Facebook confirms it was 158791.

 

[NoMorePacers]

Which 150/2s are the Newton based ones? I remember hearing after refurbishment all 150/1s would go to NH and the 150/2s would be split between NH and NL, with more at the latter.

I believe that 209, 220 and 223-226 are the 150/2s based at Newton Heath, with both the /0s and all the /1s obviously being based there as well.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I believe that 209, 220 and 223-226 are the 150/2s based at Newton Heath, with both the /0s and all the /1s obviously being based there as well.

Thanks.
I have to say, the lack of standardisation with this refurbishment is poor. It's a lottery whether one will find Ashbourne or Chapman seats in the 150s, Chapman, Fainsa or Richmond seats in the 156, and some 158s have white/cream walls instead of black. The three carriage 158s have a totally different PIS and retain the original seats. Perhaps its expecting too much for them to change the seats, but it's poor in my opinion.

 

[skyhigh]

Thanks.
I have to say, the lack of standardisation with this refurbishment is poor. It's a lottery whether one will find Ashbourne or Chapman seats in the 150s, Chapman, Fainsa or Richmond seats in the 156, and some 158s have white/cream walls instead of black. The three carriage 158s have a totally different PIS and retain the original seats. Perhaps its expecting too much for them to change the seats, but it's poor in my opinion.

Pedantic I know, but it's navy, not black.

The 158s will all eventually be standardised to the same wall colours. The 3 car 158s have the same PIS system, just a different model of screen in the saloon - they all show identical information.

I'm not sure an average passenger will really care about the different seating types - it would be nice from a neatness point of view if they all had the same seating, but I can't see anyone deciding to pay for all new seats in a 150.

 

[superkev]

Thanks.
I have to say, the lack of standardisation with this refurbishment is poor. It's a lottery whether one will find Ashbourne or Chapman seats in the 150s, Chapman, Fainsa or Richmond seats in the 156, and some 158s have white/cream walls instead of black. The three carriage 158s have a totally different PIS and retain the original seats. Perhaps its expecting too much for them to change the seats, but it's poor in my opinion]

Looking back to the start of this thread the first unit went into works in April 2016 almost 5 years ago.
Not sure how often they redecorate unit but perhaps they will start again soon.
Kev

 

[Dan15812]

I presume the cream walls on the 2 (3 car 158's) will be painted navy when they get the digital mods done whenever that will be?