Northern Unit Refurbishments

[Dspatula]

150103 now has digital mods

 

[Liam L]

Realtime Trains - 525S 1236 Bristol Barton Hill W.R.D. to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D

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Any ideas if this a 158 or something? Thanks

 

[diligentdave]

Realtime Trains - 525S 1236 Bristol Barton Hill W.R.D. to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

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Any ideas if this a 158 or something? Thanks

158787

 

[158757]

Updated list 18/08/21 with units now with Digital Train Mods

Liveries

Northern livery with logos

# – Digital Train Modifications complete (USB, CCTV, additional PIS screens)
# - Northern Connect Mods (Seat reservations)
Prototype refurbishment – light blue seat backs, Arriva turquoise grab poles, cream coloured end walls

150001 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150002 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150003: 150116 / 57209 Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150004: 150112 / 57212 Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150005: 150117 / 52223 Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats (Chapman seats in centre vehicle)
150006: 150147 / 57223 Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

# 150101 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150102 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150103 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150104 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150105 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150106 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150107 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150108 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150109 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150110 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150111 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150113 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150114 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150115 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150118 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150119 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150120 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150121 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150122 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150123 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150124 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150125 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150126 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150127 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150128 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150129 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150130 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150131 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150132 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150133 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150134 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150135 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150136 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150137 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150138 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 150139 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150140 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150141 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150142 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150143 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150144 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150145 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150146 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150148 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150149 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150150 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

150120, 123, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131 retain Silverlink NSE blue wall carpet
150136 has several rows of seats in airline layout

150201 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150203 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150204 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150205 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150206 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150210 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150211 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150214 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150215 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150218 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 150220 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150222 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150224 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150225 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150226 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150228 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150268 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150269 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150270 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150271 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150272 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150273 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150274 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150275 – Refurbished (prototype style), new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150276 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150277 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150205 has a row of seats that were incorrectly fitted in a bay layout on refurb

155341 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155342 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155343 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155344 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155345 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
155346 - Refurbished (prototype style), new blue moquette Chapman seats
155347 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

# 156420 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156421 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156423 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156424 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156425 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156426 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156427 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156428 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156429 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156438 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156440 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156441 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156443 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156444 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156447 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
156448 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156449 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 156451 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156452 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156454 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156455 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156459 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156460 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156461 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156463 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156464 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156465 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 156466 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156468 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156469 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156471 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156472 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156475 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156479 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156480 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats (RAF 100 vinyls)
156481 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156482 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156483 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156484 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156485 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
156486 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156487 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156488 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156489 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156490 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156491 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156496 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

# 158752 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
# 158753 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
# 158754 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
# 158755 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
# 158756 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
# 158757 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
# 158758 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
# 158759 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats

158782 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158784 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158786 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158787 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158789 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158790 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158791 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158792 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158793 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158794 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158795 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158796 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158797 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158815 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158816 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158817 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158842 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158843 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158844 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
## 158845 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158848 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
## 158849 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158850 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158851 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158853 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158855 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158859 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158860 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (Thank you NHS vinyls)
158861 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158867 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158868 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158869 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158870 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158871 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158872 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

# 158901 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158902 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158903 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158904 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158905 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158906 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158907 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158908 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158909 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158910 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158752 and 158756 have cream coloured end walls instead of navy blue

158752-759, 782, 786, 789, 867-871 retain the parcels cupboard in the 57 end vehicle

# 170453 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170454 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170455 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170456 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170457 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170458 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170459 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170460 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170461 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170472 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170473 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170474 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170475 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170476 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170477 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 170478 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

170453-458 retain an old first class section (declassified) at each end of the train

Key

Liveries

Northern livery with logos
Unbranded Thameslink White/Blue

319361 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319366 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319367 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319368 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319369 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319370 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
319372 – unrefurbished, FCC moquette seats and interior
319375 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319378 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319379 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319381 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
319383 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319384 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
319385 – refurbished, First Capital Connect moquette seats
319386 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats

769424 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
769431 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
769434 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
769442 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
769448 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
769450 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
769456 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
769458 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

319367 has additional PIS screens fitted although never used
All Northern 769s retain a declassified first class section

323223 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323224 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323225 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323226 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323227 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323228 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323229 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323230 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323231 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323232 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323233 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323234 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323235 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323236 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323237 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323238 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323239 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

333001 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333002 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333003 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333004 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333005 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333006 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333007 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333008 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333009 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333010 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333011 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333012 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333013 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333014 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333015 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333016 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

 

[warwickshire]

Update further to this thread.
Move took place earlier today 1055 5v81 heaton T&R.S.M.D Depot in Newcastle to Bristol Barton Hill Depot in Bristol with 158848 returning for some more modifications.
So 158848 is now at Bristol Barton Hill Depot in Bristol.

 

[skyhigh]

170472 is currently in for digital train mods.

 

[_toommm_]

Does anyone know which of the 170s still retain the 2+1 driving coach end please? And if that is going to stay post-refurb?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Does anyone know which of the 170s still retain the 2+1 driving coach end please? And if that is going to stay post-refurb?

They're noted in the tracking update a few posts back. As I understand it they're staying as 2+1 for the foreseeable.

 

[_toommm_]

They're noted in the tracking update a few posts back. As I understand it they're staying as 2+1 for the foreseeable.

Ah sorry, must have skim-read that a bit too fast. Thank you

 

[Bald Rick]

Having been on a few of these recently... anyone who complains about the seats on a Class 700 needs to have a go on one of these!

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Having been on a few of these recently... anyone who complains about the seats on a Class 700 needs to have a go on one of these!

Do you mean the 170s being discussed in the last few posts? Or the "new and improved" ones in many of the Sprinters?

The 170s have the same seats they were supplied with from new to Scotrail, retrimmed in Northern's house style (hence keeping the 2+1 layout in the former first class sections). Second only to the 3-car 158s in quality in my opinion.
The "ironing boards" aren't great, but they're okay for the lengths of journeys most passengers are making.

 

[mcnw35282]

Sorry if I've missed a trick here...but did someone mention that the 323s are being sent back to Wolverton? If so, how come?

 

[simon7929]

Unit 156481 now has digital mods.

 

[superkev]

Unit 156481 now has digital mods.

I believe Northern still have about 130 units requiring digital mods (excluding 153s and 319s) out of a fleet of around 370. Could take a while.
K

 

[Halish Railway]

Sorry if I've missed a trick here...but did someone mention that the 323s are being sent back to Wolverton? If so, how come?

Possibly for exams (C4 IIRC), although I was under the impression that this was being done at Doncaster, unless it’s both.

 

[SteveyBee131]

Possibly for exams (C4 IIRC), although I was under the impression that this was being done at Doncaster, unless it’s both.

Doncaster is doing work on West Midlands 323s. Northern 323s are done at Wolverton

 

[59CosG95]

Doncaster is doing work on West Midlands 323s. Northern 323s are done at Wolverton

Ah yes, at different ends of the country...
Still, at least it's something interesting to see!

 

[py_megapixel]

Wolverton, next to a station served by WMT but not Northern, is working on the Northern 323s.
Doncaster, next to a station served by Northern but not WMT, is working on the WMT 323s.

Makes sense to me (!)

 

[XAM2175]

Makes sense to me (!)

So you think they should just to to whichever is closest, even if that place is less suitable, or more expensive, or so on?

 

[py_megapixel]

So you think they should just to to whichever is closest, even if that place is less suitable, or more expensive, or so on?

I'm no expert in rolling stock maintenance and as such I'm sure they have reasons for doing it like this. I was merely pointing out that it seems counter-intuitive if they're having the same work carried out on all units (which I now realise may not be the case)

 

[skyhigh]

Wolverton, next to a station served by WMT but not Northern, is working on the Northern 323s.
Doncaster, next to a station served by Northern but not WMT, is working on the WMT 323s.

Makes sense to me (!)

Regardless of anything else, it's not possible for the 323s to get over to Doncaster from their operating area easily anyway

 

[simon7929]

Number 156438 is another set with digital mods.

 

[diligentdave]

Doncaster is doing work on West Midlands 323s. Northern 323s are done at Wolverton

Wolverton are carrying out door overhaul work on the Northern 323 fleet, work which was descoped from the C6 overhaul for contractual reasons. If not already completed, some units are having LED lighting fitted as well. The Class 323 C4 program for both the rest of the WMT and Northern fleet (including sub-leased units) will be carried out at Longsite later (although some WMT units that are due early have had/are having their C4's done at Wabtec.)

 

[skyhigh]

170472 is now the first 170 unit out with digital train mods (new CCTV, WiFi and passenger counters). Still awaiting fitment of TrainFX though.

 

[Peter749]

The Class 323 C4 program for both the rest of the WMT and Northern fleet (including sub-leased units) will be carried out at Longsite later

Is there space at LONGSIGHT to do the work on the 323s? I would have thought Allerton might have done the work.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Is there space at LONGSIGHT to do the work on the 323s?

They seem to do the 365 work without issue.

 

[Peter749]

They seem to do the 365 work without issue.

The work is/was done in the Electric Depot which has two roads - the 365 occupied one for many weeks and has only recently returned to Crewe

 

[LOL The Irony]

The work is/was done in the Electric Depot which has two roads - the 365 occupied one for many weeks and has only recently returned to Crewe

Well put it this way. They wouldnt've bid for the work if there wasn't the space.

 

[SteveyBee131]

Is there space at LONGSIGHT to do the work on the 323s? I would have thought Allerton might have done the work.

On the modern railway it's not just about space at a logically placed depot/works...

Well put it this way. They wouldnt've bid for the work if there wasn't the space.

... it's also about the best value bid, even if the winning bidder only has facilities at the other end of the country!

 

[simon7929]

Another 156 with digital mods is 156443.