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Oxford Corridor Phase 2 & Platform 5 updates

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Platform 5 will be the main through line, as you already realise it allows trains to reverse south again without going into the sidings, and without crossing conflicts.

No crossing conflicts in the northbound direction. But there will be when the train heads back south and regains the Up Oxford line. Pretty much the opposite of a Down train terminating in Platform 3 currently and returning to Paddington.
 
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No crossing conflicts in the northbound direction. But there will be when the train heads back south and regains the Up Oxford line. Pretty much the opposite of a Down train terminating in Platform 3 currently and returning to Paddington.
The previous reply looks a little truncated, as it should say that Platform 5 would be for trains continuing North, then Platform 4 would become available for trains terminating from the South. Though as you note, even using Platform 4 would involve crossing over the through lines to head back South.
 

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The previous reply looks a little truncated, as it should say that Platform 5 would be for trains continuing North, then Platform 4 would become available for trains terminating from the South. Though as you note, even using Platform 4 would involve crossing over the through lines to head back South.
You’re right. It would probably have been better to have written that up trains leaving P4 would have reduced conflicts with down passenger trains compared to leaving from P5.
 

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You’re right. It would probably have been better to have written that up trains leaving P4 would have reduced conflicts with down passenger trains compared to leaving from P5.

Would they? If both platforms 4 and 5 can be used for trains heading either north or south, the conflicts are surely the same.
 

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Ideally a crossover from Platform 4 to the Up main should be installed immediately south of the Botley Road underbridge, so that an Up train can depart 4 as a Down train arrives in 5. Don't think that is planned however?
 

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Ideally a crossover from Platform 4 to the Up main should be installed immediately south of the Botley Road underbridge, so that an Up train can depart 4 as a Down train arrives in 5. Don't think that is planned however?
The track layout in https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-co...Oxford-Corridor-Phase-2-Public-Engagement.pdf (which is 4 years old and could well be out of date), has the platform 5 line diverging before the existing crossover, so that move ought to possible. I assumed that was the whole point of building platform 5 to be honest.
 

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The track layout in https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-co...Oxford-Corridor-Phase-2-Public-Engagement.pdf (which is 4 years old and could well be out of date), has the platform 5 line diverging before the existing crossover, so that move ought to possible. I assumed that was the whole point of building platform 5 to be honest.
Post #214 includes a couple of photos following installation of the new points which will lead to P5, they’re basically just south of and extending under the Osney footbridge. They required the footbridge to be lengthened slightly at the west side. They were installed by the end of Dec 2023, and I think conform to the drawings in that pdf.

 

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That's good, thanks. Makes Platform 4 ideal for turning trains from the south with 5 becoming the through route.
I think if necessary , Plat 5 could accommodate Southbound trains too.
Such train can be routed back towards Didcot via Down Oxford in Up direction and crossed over to Up Oxford at Hinksey .

All that could be bit troublesome, considering other trains movements but doable since both lines are bi-di.
 

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Three months since the rephasing of Botley Road works, here's the lowdown:

Railway bridge foundations work​

Work is continuing under the railway bridge to prepare for installation of the new walkway/cycleway on the station side of the road.

The current work is to install temporary infrastructure that will support the bridge walls while the ground is excavated. Over the Easter weekend, metal frames were installed and then concrete has been poured into them.

A series of metal props will then be installed across the road between the two concrete structures (see diagram below). Once in place, this temporary structure will allow the ground to be excavated safely to work on the 40m-long concrete piles that were previously installed (shown as white circles in the diagram). This will see the installation of drainage and pile caps which will sit under the new structure.

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Water main and sewer work​

With two weeks of testing the new water main successfully completed, the old pipe has now been disconnected and the ends will be grouted up. This means the site between Mill Street and Abbey Road (see image above) can be removed, with the road due to be reinstated.

The next phase will see work on the connection area for the smaller water main pipe, as well as a start to preparations for the sewer diversion beside the Westgate Hotel. Direct access onto Botley Road to/from Mill Street will be restored and the walkway diverted, with an entrance/exit being created next to The One restaurant (see image below). Unless any issues arise, the schedule will be as follows:

* Ongoing – Reinstatement of the road between Mill Street and Abbey Road
* Thursday 1 May – Change to traffic management, with reopening of direct access to/from Mill Street onto Botley Road. The pedestrian crossing will be moved back to beside The One restaurant, between Mill Street and Abbey Road
* Thursday 1 to Tuesday 5 May – Construction of walkway diversion
* Tuesday 6 May – Change to new walkway route.

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As a side, the nearby Osney Bridge works (northern footpath repair and water main replacement) will continue until June 2026. Also just learned that slideshow updates are now published (under 'Archive') in tandem with the monthly resident meetings.
 

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So there is little point in the railway bridge reopening until June 2026.
Even with traffic lights restricting traffic on Osney Bridge, the city desperately needs the railway bridge reopened.
The effect on traffic across the rest of the city has been horrendous and the county council won’t implement the traffic filters until the bridge reopens.
 

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Hopefully one of the lessons identified (and maybe learned) from this sorry saga is that the railway in Oxford needs more crossing points so one single point of interruption doesn't reduce the city to a standstill.
 

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Hopefully one of the lessons identified (and maybe learned) from this sorry saga is that the railway in Oxford needs more crossing points so one single point of interruption doesn't reduce the city to a standstill.
It seems unlikely that the railway will learn anything.

The one lesson from the debacle of the Great Western Electrification was "Don't dig up 150 year old transport infrastructure without sufficient ground investigation to know exactly what you're dealing with". And they spectacularly failed to apply that lesson with Botley Road.
 

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It seems unlikely that the railway will learn anything.

The one lesson from the debacle of the Great Western Electrification was "Don't dig up 150 year old transport infrastructure without sufficient ground investigation to know exactly what you're dealing with". And they spectacularly failed to apply that lesson with Botley Road.
Sad isn’t it
 

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It seems unlikely that the railway will learn anything.

The one lesson from the debacle of the Great Western Electrification was "Don't dig up 150 year old transport infrastructure without sufficient ground investigation to know exactly what you're dealing with". And they spectacularly failed to apply that lesson with Botley Road.
Are the Botley road works within the absolute control of the railway, or were they reliant on the water/highways authority for them?
 

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Are the Botley road works within the absolute control of the railway, or were they reliant on the water/highways authority for them?
NR should have adequately investigated what was on site and engaged with third parties to make adequate solutions to manage them. They didn't.

There is nothing worse than failing to take into consideration of all aspects of a job that result in significant delays & costs. GWEP was a perfect example of this where they encountered or hit multiple signal cables, track drains, sewers, structures, pipes & electricity cable.

If they had done so here, a better solution could have been identified to avoid all these issues. I find that it can take 10 years to do all the required planning & investigations to do such a job properly!
 

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They didn't hit multiple cables and in fact after the one incident at Pangbourne they brought in an expert who in fact stopped further strikes completely, not only for GWEP but all major projects on the Western.
 

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They didn't hit multiple cables and in fact after the one incident at Pangbourne they brought in an expert who in fact stopped further strikes completely, not only for GWEP but all major projects on the Western.
Funny, but I have a long list of their strikes, luckily mostly fixed now for GWEP but not on another electrification job, still about a dozen repairs to carry out there!
 

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It seems unlikely that the railway will learn anything.

The one lesson from the debacle of the Great Western Electrification was "Don't dig up 150 year old transport infrastructure without sufficient ground investigation to know exactly what you're dealing with". And they spectacularly failed to apply that lesson with Botley Road.
Sad isn’t it
If we learn anything from history, it's that we learn nothing from history.

My first Construction module was aboutt the importance of Site Investigation- eg Marsh Lane.
NR should have adequately investigated what was on site and engaged with third parties to make adequate solutions to manage them. They didn't.

There is nothing worse than failing to take into consideration of all aspects of a job that result in significant delays & costs. GWEP was a perfect example of this where they encountered or hit multiple signal cables, track drains, sewers, structures, pipes & electricity cable.

If they had done so here, a better solution could have been identified to avoid all these issues. I find that it can take 10 years to do all the required planning & investigations to do such a job properly!
Records, plans etc are often incomplete and inaccurate, failing to be kept up-to-date and perhaps diagrammatic at best. Changes are often made on site while work is underway; delays and extensions of time cost money and 'as built' drawings often a 'low priority'. There can be further 'complications' if a contractor goes bust because they bid too low in order to get the job. As seen with the Carillion Liverpool Hospital, who 'carries the can' for possibly defective work?

IIRC, GWEP got going when Grayling got the Ok from his bosses at Nos 10 and 11; 'the rail industry' when asked when can you start- we all know the only ok answer is straight away, if not 'yesterday'. Whose fault is that?

Everyone's to blame- we get the government that promises what we want to hear.

We are still suffering from the well-documented GWEP fiasco, including the development of the bi-mode and all it offers in terms of 'intermitant electrification' and tri-modes to come. So not all bad?
 

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IIRC, GWEP got going when Grayling got the Ok from his bosses at Nos 10 and 11; 'the rail industry' when asked when can you start- we all know the only ok answer is straight away, if not 'yesterday'. Whose fault is that?

Everyone's to blame- we get the government that promises what we want to hear.
Probably an element of "let's get building before they cancel it" going on as well, given that they did in fact cancel some pretty crucial parts.
 

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Records, plans etc are often incomplete and inaccurate, failing to be kept up-to-date and perhaps diagrammatic at best. Changes are often made on site while work is underway; delays and extensions of time cost money and 'as built' drawings often a 'low priority'. There can be further 'complications' if a contractor goes bust because they bid too low in order to get the job. As seen with the Carillion Liverpool Hospital, who 'carries the can' for possibly defective work?
Bottom line is you always end up paying for a site investigation in one form or other. Best practice should be to do this before you put the business case together and seek authority.
 

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Bottom line is you always end up paying for a site investigation in one form or other. Best practice should be to do this before you put the business case together and seek authority.
Not going to guarantee no unpleasant surprises though - as the number of unexploded bombs that still turn up on building sites will testify. Going to take a very through site investigation to find a bomb that managed to bury itself near vertically in soft earth.
 

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Hopefully one of the lessons identified (and maybe learned) from this sorry saga is that the railway in Oxford needs more crossing points so one single point of interruption doesn't reduce the city to a standstill.

Presuming that this means roads crossing the railway, that is somewhat beyond the control of the rail industry!

NR should have adequately investigated what was on site and engaged with third parties to make adequate solutions to manage them. They didn't.

If, as it seems, the third parties, ie water and sewage providers, do not know and cannot therefore tell NR what is beneath the road, or where it is, what other option is there apart from digging the road up to see what they find, and then dealing with it, at the leisure of those third parties?
 

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Presuming that this means roads crossing the railway, that is somewhat beyond the control of the rail industry!



If, as it seems, the third parties, ie water and sewage providers, do not know and cannot therefore tell NR what is beneath the road, or where it is, what other option is there apart from digging the road up to see what they find, and then dealing with it, at the leisure of those third parties?
And the county councils records of what was under the road were inaccurate both in terms of major structures and utilities alignments.

Much of the utilities alignment underneath did not conform to current practice or the norms when they were installed.
 

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And the county councils records of what was under the road were inaccurate both in terms of major structures and utilities alignments.

Much of the utilities alignment underneath did not conform to current practice or the norms when they were installed.
Same as the Great Western Mainline, then.
 

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All of the legacy cable drawings for the MLN were available. Now it doesn't matter if the exact location of the cables is shown on those drawings or not, what is important is the fact that something is there. So trial holes were dug at each location where a pile was to be installed, if something was found then there was "wiggle room" in the design to move the pile. I don't know what happened at Oxford but the HSE guidelines state that the utility owner must, where available, provide drawings showing where their services exist in the area of the work. If they're unable to provide those details then they must provide assistance in finding those services and if necessary dig a trial hole.
I used to do briefings with the contactors about buried services and NRs processes. My first line was always "If you dig from one boundary fence to the other you will find something"
Remember also that no drawings exist for buried sleepers, redundant rail etc so just like Time Team you need to dig.
 

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Just so that we don't lose sight of the catastrophic scale of mismanagement of the Botley Road project, this is a quote from the Planning Inspectorate report dated March 2022, quoting Network Rail's "Environmental Statement: Volume 2".

"Likely temporary road closures would include a minimum 4 days’ road closure to undertake the Botley Road bridge deck replacement and a signalised single lane shuttle working system along Botley Road for six months during the highway works. Some temporary footpath closures would also be necessary"

 

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