Blindtraveler
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375 would make a lot of sense, but please God do not replace the seats with ironing boards that's not going to do their marginal constituencies any favors at all
Aren’t the 377s already being refurbished?I have heard rumour (so trying to see if it is likely, or just pointless talk) that Derby has been awarded a mid life refurb contract for 377 (and/or 375). Seems it is all related to bringing back the 379s and moving trains to South Eastern.
I could see some logic if they don't want it to close down before HS2 contract and potential Northern, GWR, South Eastern contracts later in 2020s. Possibly a giant political fudge, especially with marginal constituencies in Kent
Yes, they are going through Aurora mods and are being done at Selhurst depot. If 375s go through similar works it would be elsewhere, like Derby.Aren’t the 377s already being refurbished?
The 375s are already getting the power socket upgrade consistent with the 377s. A large part of the fleet has been so treated.If 375s go through similar works it would be elsewhere, like Derby.
I believe so as OOC still would exist and transfer a ton of passenger flow to the lizzyWould they still need the extra 345s if HS2 goes to Euston anyway?
Production of what?which could close the historic Derby rail manufacturing site and move production to Poland or India due to uncertainty over new orders for trains.
Alstom has 115 double deck TGVs to build, 103 Paris Metro trains, 20 C30 movia for Sweden, extra sections for Le Mans trams, 10 ICNG (intercity new generation) for Netherlands, monorail trains for Bangkok MRT pink line, 117 trains for Portugal, Interregional trains for DB Germany......Production of what?
CheersAlstom has 115 double deck TGVs to build, 103 Paris Metro trains, 20 C30 movia for Sweden, extra sections for Le Mans trams, 10 ICNG (intercity new generation) for Netherlands, monorail trains for Bangkok MRT pink line, 117 trains for Portugal, Interregional trains for DB Germany......
This is a more readable article, on the crisis talks, looks like big question is which factory gets the new Adessia platform trains
Crisis talks to save historic Derby rail plant from closure
Ministers engage in urgent discussions with Alstom to avert closure of Derby train manufacturing works, amid threats to move production abroad. Thousands of jobs hang in the balancebmmagazine.co.uk
There's nothing in there to suggest Derby is in line for continental production - merely that the Aventra platform is ending, with Adessia being the new platform.Alstom has 115 double deck TGVs to build, 103 Paris Metro trains, 20 C30 movia for Sweden, extra sections for Le Mans trams, 10 ICNG (intercity new generation) for Netherlands, monorail trains for Bangkok MRT pink line, 117 trains for Portugal, Interregional trains for DB Germany......
This is a more readable article, on the crisis talks, looks like big question is which factory gets the new Adessia platform trains
Trains for the UK Market. We import trains, but we don't export them. It is not a level playing field.Production of what?
There's nothing in there to suggest Derby is in line for continental production - merely that the Aventra platform is ending, with Alessia being the new platform.
So if the UK Government waits for a couple of years (or more) for issuing new train tenders, Alstrom are saying they can't keep Derby ticking over without help, and will have to close, or massively cut back the Derby plant. When the new tenders do eventually get issued, then the new Adessia trains offered for the UK may be made/assembled in Poland or India, rather than UK.This is a more readable article, on the crisis talks, looks like big question is which factory gets the new Adessia platform trains
Crisis talks to save historic Derby rail plant from closure
Ministers engage in urgent discussions with Alstom to avert closure of Derby train manufacturing works, amid threats to move production abroad. Thousands of jobs hang in the balancebmmagazine.co.uk
Eventually there might be no train assembly plants left in the UK?.This will keep happening until the government realises that our current method of procuring rolling stock is simply broken. We do not need four assembly plants in the UK for our railways.
Maybe just not any permanent train assembly plants in the UK? Given how easily the plants at Newton Aycliffe, Goole and Newport (and indeed Widnes) have been built for specific orders, it may be apparent that assembly plants can be created when there is an order that requires some level of UK assembly. Even Derby products aren't built entirely at that site.Eventually there might be no train assembly plants left in the UK?.
Yes, sorry about the typo.The Adessia is described as being the successor to the Aventra. I suspect it's exactly that.
I'd think the running costs of the new factories are lower than that of the Derby siteThinking about it, if Siemens make a success of Goole then is Alstom's only advantage taken away. Given all the issues Bombardier/Alstom have had would anyone actually want to order more stock from them if there was another company assembling trains in the UK with a much better track record? Even more so if the Aventra is discontinued and you can't make the argument of stock familiarity.
If TfL orders extra lizzie line trains, I would expect them to be exactly the same as the existing 345sPresumably, if TfL purchase a few more trains for the Elizabeth line (to provide extra connections to Old Oak Common) they would prefer them to be on the Adventra platform rather than mixing them with a new type of train
So exactly like ”Desiro”, ”FLIRT” or even ”AT300”.Adessia is an umbrella brand for high floor multiple units, including classes previously branded as X'Trapolis and Aventra.
Production of new stock at the UK's largest rail assembly factory could stop on Thursday, with 3,000 jobs at risk.
Nick Crossfield, managing director of Alstom, said the possible job losses at the Litchurch Lane site in Derby would have a "considerable" impact on the national supply chain.
He said the company could no longer guarantee a presence in the city.
Production is nearing its end, with an 18-month gap until the next order.
Curious how the number of jobs at risk has increased from 2000 to 3000!Nick Crossfield of Alstom was interviewed on Radio 4 Today at about 0615.
Story now on BBC news website here:
Alstom: Production at train maker set to stop with 3,000 jobs at risk
Alstom says 3,000 jobs in Derby are at risk, adding there would be an impact on the wider supply chain.www.bbc.co.uk