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Technically, the LSL electrics worked those extra Avanti trains after being preserved. Does that count?
I’d say it is highly dubious to call LSL’s traction “preserved”.Technically, the LSL electrics worked those extra Avanti trains after being preserved. Does that count?
Didn't 55022/D9000 work some of the last Virgin CrossCountry services into Kent back in the early 2000s?
It did in 1998 1999
I had the slightly bizarre experience of traveling on her from Kensington Olympia to Bromley South on a one day travel card
I also travelled to Oxford from KennyO on another day
Please correct me if wrong but at this time I recall 55022/D9000 was painted Porterbrook purple so was it actually owned by them at this time? If so debatable if still preserved or an asset of Porterbrook like any other item they leased to a TOC.
Why?I’d say it is highly dubious to call LSL’s traction “preserved”.
It did in 1998 1999
I had the slightly bizarre experience of traveling on [D9000] from Kensington Olympia to Bromley South on a one day travel card
Because it is a full commercial operation. They just happen to use older traction.Why?
Why did Porterbrook buy a deltic? Seems an odd choice for a RoSCo to buy a single example of a long withdrawn type.The Porterbrook one was actually 55016 I believe.
DRS briefly owned 55016 as well, a few years after Porterbrook, although it never operated for them before being resold.Why did Porterbrook buy a deltic? Seems an odd choice for a RoSCo to buy a single example of a long withdrawn type.
because they are a commercial train operator.Why?
while 47712 is owned by the Crewe Diesel Preservation Group and has since had hire periods to LSL (though there are some blurred lines between that).
I’d say it is highly dubious to call LSL’s traction “preserved”.
Because it is a full commercial operation. They just happen to use older traction.
because they are a commercial train operator.
Indeed, LSL's steam fleet is on paper hired in from related entities such as the Royal Scot Loco & General Trust (plus a couple of extras from external organisations, such as 'Sir Nigel Gresley').A commercial train operator can still hire in locos from preservation groups, e.g. West Coast using 47580 and 47798.
But, why? A single example of a very complicated and not simple to maintain locomotive instead of something more standard? I'm curious as to the commercial motives/thinking as it's seems anachronistic.DRS briefly owned 55016 as well, a few years after Porterbrook, although it never operated for them before being resold.
The context of what I replied to is important: it referred to the use of LSL electric locos on Avanti replacement workings. 86101, 87002 and 90001/2 are not preserved. Indeed the former pair were sold out of preservation.Yes, some of which is preserved e.g. 37688, 47712 and 47828.
maybe they just REALLY liked it!I'm curious as to the commercial motives/thinking as it's seems anachronistic.
set up by the person who owns LSL............Indeed, LSL's steam fleet is on paper hired in from related entities such as the Royal Scot Loco & General Trust
But LSL aren't hiring. They own. They are a TOC in thier own right.A commercial train operator can still hire in locos from preservation groups, e.g. West Coast using 47580 and 47798.
When it's placed in a jar of pickling vinegar.when is a loco technically "preserved"
Didn’t Harry Needle own 55016 at one time and threaten to break it for spares?But, why? A single example of a very complicated and not simple to maintain locomotive instead of something more standard? I'm curious as to the commercial motives/thinking as it's seems anachronistic.
But LSL aren't hiring. They own. They are a TOC in thier own right.
So, yes, LSL hire in some preserved locos, but their core fleet (43s, 47s, 57s, electrics) are not preserved.
Not sure where you got that idea from as the MK1’s you are talking about were hired from Rivera trains and main line registered for charter use. Perhaps what has confused you is that Rivera used Cranmore on the East Somerset railway as a base.Regarding hired rolling stock; the loco-hauled Birmingham International - North Wales trains of the late '90s - early 2000s were formed of Mk1 coaches hired from a steam railway; I think, the West Somerset. At least one was in chocolate and cream.
The particular coaches hired were ones that had been in preservation a comparatively long time, and I was given to understand that later purchases form preservation had a 'not to be used for commercial purposes' clause but these earlier ones did not - and that the railway simply replaced the hired-out stock on their line with Mk1s by buying more.
ok - and I am not trying to be argumentative here - but is there not a difference between an emergency "spot hire" of a locomotive and a longer term quasi lease arrangement giving sole usage rights over an elongated period? I say there is.Thanks for that insight. I'm well aware of that. They own their own locos however they do NOT own 37688, 47712 or 47828 as I've already stated, but hire them in from preservation groups for use on the main line, as did WCRC with 47580 and 47798 some years ago.
Not sure where you got that idea from as the MK1’s you are talking about were hired from Rivera trains and main line registered for charter use. Perhaps what has confused you is that Rivera used Cranmore on the East Somerset railway as a base.
Yes, that was my point.set up by the person who owns LSL............
ok - and I am not trying to be argumentative here - but is there not a difference between an emergency "spot hire" of a locomotive and a longer term quasi lease arrangement giving sole usage rights over an elongated period? I say there is.
Western Champion did a variety of freight work for GBRf with varying degrees of success. Often put out in not exactly tip top condition it was renowned for causing chaos on the MML, usually in the Kibworth or Desborough areas when it failed or slipped to a stand on the Mountsorrel - Wellingborough stone train.