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Progress of delivery of cascaded/refurbished/PRM modified stock to TFW/Wales and Borders

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Is my understanding correct that the four ex-Northern Class 153s (153 307, 153 328, 153 331 and 153 352). and possibly also 153 374 are to be refurbished with additional bicycle storage, in a similar vein to the recently completed ScotRail units?
 
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Is my understanding correct that the four ex-Northern Class 153s (153 307, 153 328, 153 331 and 153 352). and possibly also 153 374 are to be refurbished with additional bicycle storage, in a similar vein to the recently completed ScotRail units?
Quite possibly, but unconfirmed. They wouldn't be ready in time to be much use this summer. Perhaps they will be given the 'lite' treatment for now and then have some seating removed and replaced with bike racks or whatever next spring, when the rolling stock availability may be improved. That would make a lot of sense.
Then in the autumn be back-converted with all seating if necessary for efficient use of assets!
 

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Quite possibly, but unconfirmed. They wouldn't be ready in time to be much use this summer. Perhaps they will be given the 'lite' treatment for now and then have some seating removed and replaced with bike racks or whatever next spring, when the rolling stock availability may be improved. That would make a lot of sense.
Then in the autumn be back-converted with all seating if necessary for efficient use of assets!
depends how fast seats can be fitted and cost on storage that and 5 extra prm lites wouldn't be needed on how in winter
 

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Is my understanding correct that the four ex-Northern Class 153s (153 307, 153 328, 153 331 and 153 352). and possibly also 153 374 are to be refurbished with additional bicycle storage, in a similar vein to the recently completed ScotRail units?
I was under the impression 153374 was delivered in the last batch of arrivals and was being kept for spares.

Quite possibly, but unconfirmed. They wouldn't be ready in time to be much use this summer. Perhaps they will be given the 'lite' treatment for now and then have some seating removed and replaced with bike racks or whatever next spring, when the rolling stock availability may be improved. That would make a lot of sense.
Then in the autumn be back-converted with all seating if necessary for efficient use of assets!
Given the length of time to convert them it really wouldn't be worth the extra cost for a very limited type of unit. They wouldn't be ready until after summer and their only use in the winter would be plonked onto the back of a 150 on the Rhymney line for extra capacity.
By the time all of them will be out in traffic some of the new fleet should be in service.

I'm not sure on the use of these type of units if passengers can use the bike area. If they can they will come in handy on match/concert days for standing room capacity on some routes! They will have a small amount of seating so could be useful on Pembroke Dock service out of peak season, freeing up a PRM Lite 153/9 for capacity elsewhere.
 

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My records have 153374 as being at Ely, moving there in Feb 2021 - anyone know when it returned please?
 

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Any idea whats happening to 153909 its been out of use for a while and is 150281 done yet and how is 150280 doing hasnt been out in service since refurbishment
 

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Left to be refurbished at this stage are:
150 229
150 231
150 250
150 252
150 258
150 260
150 262
150 279 - This unit was damaged in the incident at Craven Arms
150 285
 

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Left to be refurbished at this stage are:
150 229
150 231
150 250
150 252
150 258
150 260
150 262
150 279 - This unit was damaged in the incident at Craven Arms
150 285
Ironically, while 3/4 of the TfW livery 150s still show as in Arriva turquoise on RealTime Trains, 150260 is unique as it shows as in TfW livery and still is in Arriva turquoise! :lol:
 

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Can anybody say if there's any indication yet whether 150279 will be repaired (and one assumes refurbished too, if so) after the Craven Arms incident?
 

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Can anybody say if there's any indication yet whether 150279 will be repaired (and one assumes refurbished too, if so) after the Craven Arms incident?
I wondering if it's worth it repairing a 35 year old badly damaged train? With Class 197s entering service soon and how long it will take to repair the unit would it be best to strip for spares and scrap? As much as I like 150s it's hard too believe they are more 35 years old so getting old.
 

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I wondering if it's worth it repairing a 35 year old badly damaged train? With Class 197s entering service soon and how long it will take to repair the unit would it be best to strip for spares and scrap? As much as I like 150s it's hard too believe they are more 35 years old so getting old.
Depends how bad the fire damage is. I'd expect the damage to 150242 to be quite a bit worse as that will have taken the brunt of the impact with the digger. My gut feeling is that 150279 has a much better chance of coming back than 150242.
 

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I wonder if 150250 is next as thats the only one in green not out yesterday or today
150250 is in refresh

0959 Worksop Down Yard to Cardiff Canton Sidings


Anyone any ideas what this is? Northern 150's?
 
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150250 is in refresh

0959 Worksop Down Yard to Cardiff Canton Sidings


Anyone any ideas what this is? Northern 150's?
153s would seem more likely, aren't there some stored in Worksop? My understanding is the Northern 150s TfW are meant to be borrowing will be rotated in and out of the Northern fleet regularly at Chester.
 

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153s would seem more likely, aren't there some stored in Worksop? My understanding is the Northern 150s TfW are meant to be borrowing will be rotated in and out of the Northern fleet regularly at Chester.
Possibly, but I would have thought anymore 153's would go straight to Landore instead of Canton? I'd heard the Northern 150's were 2 specific units and needed door control mods to bring them in line with TfW 150's, not sure how true that is.
 

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153s would seem more likely, aren't there some stored in Worksop? My understanding is the Northern 150s TfW are meant to be borrowing will be rotated in and out of the Northern fleet regularly at Chester.
150269 and 150270 are on loan to TfW until the 1st Dec according to our rolling stock programme manager at Neville Hill.
 

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153s would seem more likely, aren't there some stored in Worksop? My understanding is the Northern 150s TfW are meant to be borrowing will be rotated in and out of the Northern fleet regularly at Chester.
The Northern 150s (numbers quoted above) went to Worksop a few weeks ago for some reason, so I'd likely say it is the 150s.
 

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Possibly, but I would have thought anymore 153's would go straight to Landore instead of Canton? I'd heard the Northern 150's were 2 specific units and needed door control mods to bring them in line with TfW 150's, not sure how true that is.

150269 and 150270 are on loan to TfW until the 1st Dec according to our rolling stock programme manager at Neville Hill.

The Northern 150s (numbers quoted above) went to Worksop a few weeks ago for some reason, so I'd likely say it is the 150s.
Ah fair enough, looks like there's either been a change in the plan or the plan itself was just a rumour. Door mods would be nice alright - Northerns 150s don't have intermediate door panels and those get a lot of use on most of the routes TfW use their 150s on.
 

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Ah fair enough, looks like there's either been a change in the plan or the plan itself was just a rumour. Door mods would be nice alright - Northerns 150s don't have intermediate door panels and those get a lot of use on most of the routes TfW use their 150s on.
I think that was always the plan to be honest. They’ve had some internal work done apparently but don’t know what it consists of.
 

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153s would seem more likely, aren't there some stored in Worksop? My understanding is the Northern 150s TfW are meant to be borrowing will be rotated in and out of the Northern fleet regularly at Chester.
All the stored 153s are either at Ely (Angel=10) or at Long Marston (Porterbrook=19).
 

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I'm concerned that (if I'm right about this) TfW have bought 8 153s outright - does that mean that in 2037 there'll be some then-50 year old 153s running alongside the modern trains?
Unlikely. There just isn't a plan for Heart of Wales fleet renewal yet.
 
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