Well I hope its fracture-proof, especially with lots of running at 6deg cant deficiency!
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Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets
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Well I hope its fracture-proof, especially with lots of running at 6deg cant deficiency!
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InTheEastMids
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Haven't been following every twist and turn of this thread, so this may not be news, but I saw an 805 (all white) heading South near Weedon just before 3pm this afternoon, so suppose it was this working:
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Realtime Trains | 5Q48 1310 Oxley Car. M.D. to Wembley Inter City Depot | 17/11/2023
Real-time train running information for 5Q48 1310 departure from Oxley Car. M.D. to Wembley Inter City Depot on 17/11/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Does anyone know what the Mode or reason for this loud sounding AC Auxiliary Buzz (0:02 till departure) is on the IETs and if its some Turbo mode that the 805s and 807s will have? I notice that some units will have the loud buzzing and then on other days won't.
Compared to here where its all quiet
Compared to here where its all quiet
Doveymain158
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Is it just drawing power from the overhead line to the traction motors just being stationary
I thought so but it seems to be some sort of energy mode as the units above in the videos I've witnessed the AC Auxiliary Power Supply buzz on and off. However I'd not be surprised its something to do with the Transformer.
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TT-ONR-NRN
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I love the buzz sound and always listen out for it at Cardiff Central. It tends to be when the pantograph is up for the first time having been in diesel before.
Interesting. That leads me to a diagram pointing to the APS then
Source: Hitachi PDF
Few seconds later on the above the Buzzing Auxiliary Power Supply appears. Well that answers that I believe and that yes the 805 and 807s will have it, finally can rule out it being some sort of Turbo mode
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Auxiliary Power Supply, some are louder than others, and sometimes you have a APS isolated so it won’t make any sound, there are 2 on a 5 car and 4 on a 9 car, personally I find it annoying when you’re standing around the unit, no idea if it’s to do with a high load on them but like I say, when taking one out of the depot you can normally hear them buzzing away as you walk past even when in sleep mode.
I certainly wish there was a turbo mode when in diesel…
I certainly wish there was a turbo mode when in diesel…
Haha thanks indeed. Maybe it's because I'm not near them as much but I love APS as the 801s move off on electric, just sounds powerful.
KashmireHawker
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Avanti have confirmed that the fleet rollout is delayed until sometime next year.
A fleet of 23 new Class 805 trains had been due to start replacing the 21-year-old Bombardier Super Voyager diesel trains by the end of this year.
But a spokesman for Avanti West Coast, which operates express services between the West Midlands, London and the North, said the new trains would not now be going in to service until 'some time next year'.
Launch of new trains linking West Midlands and London delayed until next year
The long-awaited hi-tech new trains which will provide express rail services across the West Midlands will not go into service until next year.www.expressandstar.com
TT-ONR-NRN
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Disappointing.
I also will wait for something concrete to be announced before getting my hopes up next time; never a good idea to take an unsourced forum post as read
Blindtraveler
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I wonder what's delaying yet, speculating wildly I'd say assorted strike action and overtime bands affecting training
1D54
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If no reason is given then all people are going to do 'speculate wildly'. Surely they could have come up with something, it's very disappointing and the paying punter deserves much better than this!!
Peter Sarf
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I am assuming the "23 new Class 805 trains" is actually the 13 class 805s and 10 class 807s ?.
That sounds correct given they’re also cancelling services at the moment
Bletchleyite
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And publically blaming Unions isn't a great way to start off negotiations on a good footing, so I can understand why they don't want to state this.
TT-ONR-NRN
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I agree, but there is, of course, a difference between slating unions and simply telling the truth.
Something honest but non-provocative like "Due to limited resources/industrial action, we have been unable to complete sufficient training to introduce these trains on the previously scheduled date" would both give a truthful answer to the public and avoid using inflammatory language.
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Trainbike46
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assuming that is in fact the reason and not delays at Hitachi (and as I understand it we don't actually know that), it would be equally accurate to state something along the lines of "Due to government interference in industrial relations, we have been unable to complete sufficient training to introduce these trains on the previously scheduled date"I agree, but there is, of course, a difference between slating unions and simply telling the truth.
Something honest but non-provocative like "Due to limited resources as a result of industrial action, we have been unable to complete sufficient training to introduce these trains on the previously scheduled date" would both give a truthful answer to the public and avoid using inflammatory language.
Of course they wouldn't say that because it would be provocative to the government. your statement however could also be read as provocative, so better to state nothing and just try and get them in service as soon as possible. Until then the voyagers can continue to run.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Yes, if we don't actually know the reason best to avoid any conflict
Which the Mail / Telegraph would headline as “New trains delayed by Union Barons”
Ho hum! Anyone betting on one token service on Dec 31st?
I really hope they keep all the voyagers until then - and keep them maintained - so that we get something like the full timetabled service for a change. If it wasn't all down to the DfT the Tories would be screaming for an enquiry into why Avanti services are so poor.
Merle Haggard
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My bold.
Although the Voyagers are to be replaced imminently, credit to Avanti for looking after them. A favourable (to Avanti) comparison could be drawn by looking East at the state of another 22x stock being replaced by 80x - on a longer timescale.
Jamesrob637
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Possibly one on the 30th, as the railway shuts down early on New Year's Eve.
Are they contracted to have one in service my end of this year?
If not why would they attempt a token service?
Absolutely although it’d be good to see anther class 390 record attempt soon now Carstairs is finished but doubt it’ll happen.
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GhostManDN91
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Are there any updates on the Class 807s? Not heard much about them it seems mainly the 805s.
Just 807002 which has done some overnight tests based out of Newton Aycliffe.
No other 807 has been seen at Newton Aycliffe, so no idea on state of production.
chazi898
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I too wondered about that - they said they wanted another crack at it, although things seem a bit grim on the railway at the moment, more like chaos.
I went through Carstairs at full line speed on my way back from Glasgow a few months ago, blink and you'll miss it, so smooth.
GhostManDN91
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I nearly forgot about that Carstairs being remodeled. Can't remember the last time I went to Glasgow/Edinburgh. What's it like passing Carstairs towards Glasgow on Avanti now compared to the previous track layout?