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[357]

Both my watch and phone showed 1150 and had been checked to the second with the 8am "pips".

If you synced with DAB it will be a few seconds behind

 

[Deafdoggie]

If you synced with DAB it will be a few seconds behind

Or if listening online.
Indeed, if you stand at the bottom of The Elizabeth Tower with an FM radio, you will hear Big Ben on the radio before you hear it from above! Radio waves move faster than sound waves. So the radio pips are only accurate to a point.

 

[Tim_UK]

In some locations, such as major stations, the signal is far back from the platform and it can take 1-2 minutes to actually get to the platform. The time recorded can therefore be out from the actual time it arrived, and public passenger timetables generally account for this.

Another where timings make no sense is Brighouse. There are no signals (so therefore berth moves) at the station. I'm not sure exactly how long gap between signals - maybe half a mile. So the times are going to be out.

 

[louis97]

Another where timings make no sense is Brighouse. There are no signals (so therefore berth moves) at the station. I'm not sure exactly how long gap between signals - maybe half a mile. So the times are going to be out.

An offset is applied to the time of passing the signals, of course it will never be perfect because there is many things that can affect train running. There are many examples of this all over the country, with it being leaf fall season at the moment there is more chance the times will be out as they don't account for leaf fall cautious approaches to stations.

 

[Class15]

An offset is applied to the time of passing the signals, of course it will never be perfect because there is many things that can affect train running. There are many examples of this all over the country, with it being leaf fall season at the moment there is more chance the times will be out as they don't account for leaf fall cautious approaches to stations.

Indeed. On my short journey on the North London yesterday, RTT reported every stop as being around half a minute before we actually stopped. And I could feel the train was going cautiously as well. Sadly there isn’t a way for RTT to know this.

 

[Sweetjesus]

Some train companies (especially Avanti) tend to terminate their service early and/or begin their service later mid journey rather than at the beginning.

A good example of this, is https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L33797/2023-11-30/detailed#allox_id=0

It should have started at Glasgow but it didn't. It started at Preston instead.

I'm currently on this train, RT says it's cancelled. Is this some kind of a bug or is this a feature that RT does not support currently?

 

[JonathanH]

I'm currently on this train, RT says it's cancelled. Is this some kind of a bug or is this a feature that RT does not support currently?

That train is cancelled at Glasgow, and stations until Preston. It is shown as starting at Preston at later stations. This is exactly what has happened. What do you want to see different?

 

[Sweetjesus]

That train is cancelled at Glasgow, and stations until Preston. It is shown as starting at Preston at later stations. This is exactly what has happened. What do you want to see different?

Ah it has changed.

Originally, it said the train was cancelled with cancellation code of ZX (or Z something). This was the case until my previous post - this was after we set off from Preston and it said it was still cancelled.

I'm guessing RT does support partial journeries, someone somewhere down the line must have put wrong code in their system for this service in the beginning and they corrected it later on.

 

[Rhysdabeast]

Ah it has changed.

Originally, it said the train was cancelled with cancellation code of ZX (or Z something). This was the case until my previous post - this was after we set off from Preston and it said it was still cancelled.

I'm guessing RT does support partial journeries, someone somewhere down the line must have put wrong code in their system for this service in the beginning and they corrected it later on.

The train was reinstated in TRUST at 18:37:43 and the origin changed from Glasgow Central to Preston at 18:37:54 so that's why when you looked before it was still showing to be cancelled and no movements.

 

[ainsworth74]

Is anyone else having a problem with Railmiles today not finding journeys making it fidly to add them?

 

[OscarH]

Is anyone else having a problem with Railmiles today not finding journeys making it fidly to add them?

It's a known issue after some maintenance work last night

 

[ainsworth74]

It's a known issue after some maintenance work last night

Fair enough!

 

[matt]

Are allocations for Locomotive Services Ltd no longer available?

 

[Trainguy34]

Are allocations for Locomotive Services Ltd no longer available?

I saw something about Braunton and a tractor yesterday so probably available.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

It's a known issue after some maintenance work last night

I'm assuming those that pay (I don't have it myself btw) will receive some sort of rebate?

 

[OliverH68]

Railmiles is now working again as normal.

 

[TJDevon]

Would it be possible for RTT to have an option to not show buses?

 

[JonathanH]

Would it be possible for RTT to have an option to not show buses?

At which location is that a particular problem? Do you mean bus links, or replacement buses during engineering work?

 

[TJDevon]

At which location is that a particular problem? Do you mean bus links, or replacement buses during engineering work?

I was referring to regular service buses. Two locations where I monitor train services regularly are Barnstaple and Okehampton and to be able to look at just train services would be helpful but not the end of the world if this can't be done.

 

[liamf656]

I was referring to regular service buses. Two locations where I monitor train services regularly are Barnstaple and Okehampton and to be able to look at just train services would be helpful but not the end of the world if this can't be done.

Derby also shows buses to East Midlands Airport and Leeds shows buses to Leeds Bradford Airport. I agree it'd be good to filter either buses/trains or view all, and would be useful when there are blockades on. But like you say I don't see it *that* important, it'd just be a good touch

 

[Benjwri]

Derby also shows buses to East Midlands Airport and Leeds shows buses to Leeds Bradford Airport. I agree it'd be good to filter either buses/trains or view all, and would be useful when there are blockades on. But like you say I don't see it *that* important, it'd just be a good touch

What buses actually appear on RTT is entirely dependent on the TOCs entering their timetable into the schedules, adding other scheduled buses would be at best a nightmare and at worst impossible, as the open bus api is a whole different beast, and you would somehow have to decide which bus stops to link to which stations, and probably do a lot of manual work.

 

[357]

What buses actually appear on RTT is entirely dependent on the TOCs entering their timetable into the schedules, adding other scheduled buses would be at best a nightmare and at worst impossible, as the open bus api is a whole different beast, and you would somehow have to decide which bus stops to link to which stations, and probably do a lot of manual work.

Nobody is talking about other scheduled buses?

Any bus run by a TOC shows on RTT, such as XC to Leeds Bradford Airport, and TL used to for Luton Airport, or rail replacement.

 

[Benjwri]

Nobody is talking about other scheduled buses?

Any bus run by a TOC shows on RTT, such as XC to Leeds Bradford Airport, and TL used to for Luton Airport, or rail replacement.

The post that was quoted by the one I quoted was asking for ‘regular service buses’ to be added.

 

[CarrotPie]

The post that was quoted by the one I quoted was asking for ‘regular service buses’ to be added.

No it wasn't. It was asking for the ability to filter out buses on RTT.

 

[357]

I was referring to regular service buses. Two locations where I monitor train services regularly are Barnstaple and Okehampton and to be able to look at just train services would be helpful but not the end of the world if this can't be done.

The post that was quoted by the one I quoted was asking for ‘regular service buses’ to be added.

The buses in question are operated by GWR.

Okehampton
Barnstaple

Others are Leeds (XC), Derby (EMR), Tilbury Town (c2c) and I am sure there are more

 

[JonathanH]

The buses in question are operated by GWR.

Okehampton
Barnstaple

I'm not sure 'operated' is the right word.

They are actually operated by Stagecoach South West (Barnstaple to Combe Martin, Okehampton to Bude), Filers Travel (Barnstaple to Lynton), Go Cornwall (Okehampton to Launceston), Dartline Coaches (Okehampton to Tavistock), rather than GWR, who just facilitate their inclusion in the railway schedules.

 

[alastair]

The buses in question are operated by GWR.

Okehampton
Barnstaple

Others are Leeds (XC), Derby (EMR), Tilbury Town (c2c) and I am sure there are more

I don't think they are "operated by GWR", surely that is just a form of words to suit RTT. Okehampton/Bude is Stagecoach and similarly the Totnes/Kingsbridge/Salcombe bus which also features on RTT is operated by Tally Ho.

 

[zwk500]

I don't think they are "operated by GWR", surely that is just a form of words to suit RTT. Okehampton/Bude is Stagecoach and similarly the Totnes/Kingsbridge/Salcombe bus which also features on RTT is operated by Tally Ho.

RTT will show them as operated by GWR because GWR have included those services within the timetable they have submitted to Network Rail, and Network Rail will publish them with GWR operator code.

 

[357]

I appear to have been mistaken. I assumed those GWR buses would be a service operated by them (but obviously contracted to a bus operator) in the same way they c2c contract Ensign to operate the bus between Tilbury Town and Tilbury Riverside!

Why are GWR including random bus services in their timetable data?

 

[MrJeeves]

Why are GWR including random bus services in their timetable data?

Usually they are integrated ticketing destinations, thus needed for online journey planners to offer itineraries.

Same reason the RailAir bus is in the timetable data (though that is at least operated by First Group).

E.g., you can get through tickets to Tavistock Bus: https://www.brfares.com/!fares?orig=RDG&dest=XCV&period=20231203

At TrainSplit, we'll offer a ticket for this: https://trainsplit.com/results?FromStation=7030870&ToStation=70H5560&Adults=1&OutboundDate=27/03/2024&OutboundTime=11:45&searchBy=0&firstClass=false&flexible=false&selectionMethod=Grid



The ones to Combe Martin and Lynmouth aren't integrated ticketing destinations, though.