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[JonathanH]

Looks pretty accurate to me. All the trains currently shown as "at platform" match up with the headcodes shown in Traksy.

Are those trains actually there, or are the platforms just 'allocated' for trains approaching Euston?

EDIT: Just looked at the diagram and seen 1A14 arrive and become 9G22 so assume the trains are there.

Is the point that the trains switch from arrival reporting code to departing reporting code according to a set plan but controllers can change that plan to step units up or switch them, which may lead to it appearing as if the data is 'wrong'? Also, that a train can't show its actual running time until it moves.

Either way, it doesn't look like a very good day to be travelling into or out of Euston.

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

Are those trains actually there, or are the platforms just 'allocated' for trains approaching Euston?

EDIT: Just looked at the diagram and seen 1A14 arrive and become 9G22 so assume the trains are there.

Is the point that the trains switch from arrival reporting code to departing reporting code according to a set plan but controllers can change that plan to step units up or switch them, which may lead to it appearing as if the data is 'wrong'? Also, that a train can't show its actual running time until it moves.

Either way, it doesn't look like a very good day to be travelling into or out of Euston.

It really isn't the usual Sunday tourist and football chaos of people not knowing wjere they are going anyway. Delay after delay on trains and then train crew. Oddly a general lack of any announcements as well. Last minute platform alterations casuing people to cross over each other heading to the new platform and as usual the very late boarding calls and then avanti s finest shouting gate is closed abit 3 minutes after they called boarding to antagonise people who are already delayed almost an hour. It's was not a happy place today.....but is it ever. I managed to get a train to wjere I need to be eventually and will be sending in the delay repay to pay for the beers I ve bought to help a traumatic morning

 

[Edirim]

Delete.

 

[ThrowAway10101]

Recent train times (also RTT!) show Avanti as Virgin trains (VT) still. Just noticed now.

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

Recent train times (also RTT!) show Avanti as Virgin trains (VT) still. Just noticed now.

Transport for Wales still show as ATW i think also. It's probably more work than it's worth ti change it

 

[Vilhelm22]

Recent train times (also RTT!) show Avanti as Virgin trains (VT) still. Just noticed now.

If I recall correctly, they also show EMR as EMT so they're generally a bit out of date I think.

 

[JN114]

The two-letter ATOC codes for those operators hasn’t changed.

Avanti West Coast is VT
Transport for Wales is AW

In the same vein that Greater Anglia is LE and LNER is GR

 

[DavidGrain]

It was announced some time ago that the operators' designation codes would not change with the change of operator. London Northwestern and West Midlands Railways use LM, the old London Midland code.
Yesterday I was on a Vintage Trains excursion from Birmingham to Blackpool and the operator had the code TY (for Tyseley) as VT was already taken.

 

[duffield]

It was announced some time ago that the operators' designation codes would not change with the change of operator. London Northwestern and West Midlands Railways use LM, the old London Midland code.
Yesterday I was on a Vintage Trains excursion from Birmingham to Blackpool and the operator had the code TY (for Tyseley) as VT was already taken.

As a now-retired IT person who worked on the railway systems (mostly the legacy mainframes) I can attest that the two-letter codes are hard-coded in a lot of different places and would be a right pain in the **** to change.

And though I was working on the railway IT systems well before these codes were even created, I can also add that it was absolutely not my decision to hard-code them, and if I'd been consulted I would have suggested a "meaningless" unique code, with a lookup table to translate it for display and input purposes, so changing "LM" to "WM" or whatever would be a relatively quick and simple job.

 

[renegademaster]

Has anybody tried to use the API recently? I'm currently stuck ,can't get the authorisation to work. I'm using the credentials it shows on the page after you login and using HTTP basic auth, keeping getting 401 in response to every request

 

[357]

Has anybody tried to use the API recently? I'm currently stuck ,can't get the authorisation to work. I'm using the credentials it shows on the page after you login and using HTTP basic auth, keeping getting 401 in response to every request

Working fine for me. Can PM you over my code if you like.

 

[Rich5ltr]

On Realtime Trains detailed display it has a column for the Route split into the Path and the Line (see example below). Is there a key anywhere that states what the abbreviations mean? Should I assume that as they generally start with U or D they are Up and Down but with detail? e.g. in the example below UF could be Up Fast and UR Up Relief but what is the H?

Thought I'd add my question to this thread rather than start a new one. Thanks...

 

[JN114]

On Realtime Trains detailed display it has a column for the Route split into the Path and the Line (see example below). Is there a key anywhere that states what the abbreviations mean? Should I assume that as they generally start with U or D they are Up and Down but with detail? e.g. in the example below UF could be Up Fast and UR Up Relief but what is the H?

Thought I'd add my question to this thread rather than start a new one. Thanks...
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There isn’t a key no.

You’re correct in surmising the U and D are typically Up and Down

For the example you screenshot-ed:

UF - Up Fast
URH - Up RedHill
DRD - Down ReaDing
URD - Up ReaDing
UM - Up Main
DA - Down Ash

All broadly refer to the name of the line the train arrives at the location (path code), and departs the location (line code)

So with a map with line names on you should be able to figure any others out.

 

[jfollows]

Also the Sectional Appendix (https://sacuksprodnrdigital0001.blo... Wessex Sectional Appendix September 2024.pdf):

 

[kemal]

Morning

Real Time Trains not showing a lot of train allocations at the moment. This seems to happen a lot.

Thanks

 

[Peter Mugridge]

That'll be down to the data feed from the source rather than anything wrong with RTT itself.

 

[louis97]

Morning

Real Time Trains not showing a lot of train allocations at the moment. This seems to happen a lot.

Thanks

Any examples? I looked at 9am ish and didn't see any significant notable gaps. Didn't look everywhere though.

 

[eastwestdivide]

Working for me with Northern, TP, XC, LNER

 

[1D54]

Same with GA, EMR. GWR.

 

[Chiltern006]

We going to get any new drawings for KYT soon? Namely the SWR 458, 807s etc (807s may be there now but when I lasted checked they weren’t). Any new TOCs soon aswell?

 

[D6700]

Any examples? I looked at 9am ish and didn't see any significant notable gaps. Didn't look everywhere though.

I checked various GWR, EMR and LNER services at around 07:50 this morning and the only things showing allocations were those that were already allocated late yesterday evening. When I checked again an hour or so later, they were all showing.

 

[ThameslinkUser]

Looks like the simple version now shows delays to half-minutes as opposed to rounding up or down.

 

[170UTD]

Why do some services show as VAR without any alteration to their route or schedule? Take for example 9J21, on 5th April it's a VAR (as are most Thameslink services from Peterborough) but on the 12th April, it's back normal.

Realtime Trains | 9J21 0924 Peterborough to Horsham | 05/04/2025

Real-time train running information for 9J21 0924 departure from Peterborough to Horsham on 05/04/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Realtime Trains | 9J21 0924 Peterborough to Horsham | 12/04/2025

Real-time train running information for 9J21 0924 departure from Peterborough to Horsham on 12/04/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Horizon22]

Why do some services show as VAR without any alteration to their route or schedule? Take for example 9J21, on 5th April it's a VAR (as are most Thameslink services from Peterborough) but on the 12th April, it's back normal.

Realtime Trains | 9J21 0924 Peterborough to Horsham | 05/04/2025

Real-time train running information for 9J21 0924 departure from Peterborough to Horsham on 05/04/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Realtime Trains | 9J21 0924 Peterborough to Horsham | 12/04/2025

Real-time train running information for 9J21 0924 departure from Peterborough to Horsham on 12/04/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

There are some very minor timing differences through the Thameslink core and towards Norwood Junction if you note: one departs St Pancras at 1045, the other 1046.

Ultimately this is the NR feed as that is what they have been planned into the timetable as - "VAR" or varation from the LTP.

 

[43055]

Why do some services show as VAR without any alteration to their route or schedule? Take for example 9J21, on 5th April it's a VAR (as are most Thameslink services from Peterborough) but on the 12th April, it's back normal.

Realtime Trains | 9J21 0924 Peterborough to Horsham | 05/04/2025

Real-time train running information for 9J21 0924 departure from Peterborough to Horsham on 05/04/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Realtime Trains | 9J21 0924 Peterborough to Horsham | 12/04/2025

Real-time train running information for 9J21 0924 departure from Peterborough to Horsham on 12/04/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Comparting the two there is a minor change to the times through the Core, possibly as a result of the services on the Midland Mainline being affected by engineering works.

 

[PlatformEdgeVT]

I've noticed from searches on detailed mode that certain Metrolink stations are featured on RealTime Trains, for example Timperley, Bury and Heaton Park.

Are these remainders from when these stations were operated by BR and still remain in the data?

 

[Class15]

I've noticed from searches on detailed mode that certain Metrolink stations are featured on RealTime Trains, for example Timperley, Bury and Heaton Park.

Are these remainders from when these stations were operated by BR and still remain in the data?

There are some really weird ones out there, ‘Gospel Oak Mansfield Road’ being my personal favourite. No idea why that kind of thing is still there to be honest.

 

[duffield]

I've noticed from searches on detailed mode that certain Metrolink stations are featured on RealTime Trains, for example Timperley, Bury and Heaton Park.

Are these remainders from when these stations were operated by BR and still remain in the data?

There are Nottingham tram stops in there that have *never* been railway stations, e.g. Nottingham Phoenix Park, code NPP (site of former colliery), so must have been added to the data in recent times for some reason.

 

[zwk500]

There are some really weird ones out there, ‘Gospel Oak Mansfield Road’ being my personal favourite. No idea why that kind of thing is still there to be honest.

That one seems like a rail replacement bus stop to me.

 

[Dave W]

That one seems like a rail replacement bus stop to me.

Stratford bound RRBs stop at Mansfield Road (GA) stop on Agincourt Road, vaguely closer to Hampstead Heath!

Buses then continue down Southampton Road towards Kentish Town West.

So I can't say for sure as I don't know the system but I fancy that's a pretty good shout!