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Royal Mail to cease using trains

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Interestingly, the last thing a modern postal service with distribution centers supplied by rail, as in Switzerland, needs is flexibility. Punctuality is crucial in these closely interlinked processes, and neither late nor early delivery is helpful. This is why the postal trains are closely monitored and enjoy a high priority.
I think you'll find the very first thing they want is flexibility. Do you think if the M6 is shut they keep sending lorries onto it saying "Don't be flexible, go and sit in traffic" Of course they don't! An ability to adapt and change when issues arise is vital. Rail doesn't offer that. To say they don't want flexibility is ludicrous. No mail provider deliberately delays mail because it won't be flexible.
 
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Freight trains always get the lowest priority pathing. We’ll all know that. That’ll never change. If the line is blocked. Mail is going nowhere. If the motorway is blocked, the truck simply comes off at the best junction and follows the highways England diversion.
For what it’s worth, the 325s are pathed [and I assume timetabled] as passenger units.
 

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What the Royal Mail, Amazon and others really need is a Green parcel option. There are plenty of items I have ordered with Amazon Prime i simply don't need the next or even sake day yet there is no option to request it be sent the greenest least environment damaging means which may take a few days as it is railed or even trucked rather than flown from Europe say. Most be a market for thus.
 

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What the Royal Mail, Amazon and others really need is a Green parcel option. There are plenty of items I have ordered with Amazon Prime i simply don't need the next or even sake day yet there is no option to request it be sent the greenest least environment damaging means which may take a few days as it is railed or even trucked rather than flown from Europe say. Most be a market for thus.
Amazon and Green..

I recently watched an Amazon van drive up my next door neighbour's drive to within 2 feet of the front door, driver got out walked 2 paces and delivered a parcel. To then deliver to another neighbour on the opposite side of the street he reversed out onto the street and then similarly drove up that neighbour's drive to save walking. To be even handed, sometimes Royal Mail also drive as close to the front door as possible, but our EVRI man never drives onto private drives. And I'm not talking about grand houses with long drives, either.
 

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What the Royal Mail, Amazon and others really need is a Green parcel option. There are plenty of items I have ordered with Amazon Prime i simply don't need the next or even sake day yet there is no option to request it be sent the greenest least environment damaging means which may take a few days as it is railed or even trucked rather than flown from Europe say. Most be a market for thus.
royal mail does effectively offer this, in the form of royal mail tracked 48, and 2nd class postage options - As far as I can tell, the 24 hour / first class options generally get sent across the Irish sea by airplane, whereas the 2nd class / 48 hour options generally go by ferry, which is much lower impact

Next day delivery does often require air travel if the distance to be covered is long, so opting for slower delivery is almost always more sustainable. Now, if only retailers let you select the slower option!
 

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What the Royal Mail, Amazon and others really need is a Green parcel option. There are plenty of items I have ordered with Amazon Prime i simply don't need the next or even sake day yet there is no option to request it be sent the greenest least environment damaging means which may take a few days as it is railed or even trucked rather than flown from Europe say. Most be a market for thus.
Royal Mail are moving from Electric train to diesel trucks, increasing pollution , as the cost of road trucks are cheaper than replacing the end of life 29 year old class 325 EMUs. They don't seem to have looked at using newer, perhaps leased, EMUs for mail?
 
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Royal Mail are moving from Electric train to diesel trucks, increasing pollution , as the cost of road trucks are cheaper than replacing the end of life 29 year old class 325 EMUs. They don't seem to have looked at using newer, perhaps leased, EMUs for mail?
Oh, I expect they have, and the cost (and length of lease for such specialised trains) has no doubt not been competitive.
 

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Royal Mail are moving from Electric train to diesel trucks, increasing pollution , as the cost of road trucks are cheaper than replacing the end of life 29 year old class 325 EMUs. They don't seem to have looked at using newer, perhaps leased, EMUs for mail?

The RM statement claims “To improve reliability, increase cost effectiveness and remain consistent with our environmental goals, over the coming months we will cease operating our own trains while continuing to use a mix of rail, road and air to transport mail to all corners of the UK.”

This seems to suggest some sort of trains will still be used to transport mail, just no longer Class 325s.
 

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Amazon and Green..

I recently watched an Amazon van drive up my next door neighbour's drive to within 2 feet of the front door, driver got out walked 2 paces and delivered a parcel. To then deliver to another neighbour on the opposite side of the street he reversed out onto the street and then similarly drove up that neighbour's drive to save walking. To be even handed, sometimes Royal Mail also drive as close to the front door as possible, but our EVRI man never drives onto private drives. And I'm not talking about grand houses with long drives, either.
I read somewhere that the software used by Amazon’s drivers will not allow a delivery to be recorded unless the delivery vehicle is within a very short distance of the address, hence it’s entirely normal for them to have to move a couple of houses up the street between drops. Presumably this is to discourage drivers leaving vehicles out of sight while they undertake drops to several houses, increasing the risk of theft?
 

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I read somewhere that the software used by Amazon’s drivers will not allow a delivery to be recorded unless the delivery vehicle is within a very short distance of the address, hence it’s entirely normal for them to have to move a couple of houses up the street between drops. Presumably this is to discourage drivers leaving vehicles out of sight while they undertake drops to several houses, increasing the risk of theft?

Thanks for the explanation, but a small amount of walking would be an easy save of CO2!

Security doesn't seem to be considered important as drivers usually leave the engine running and the door open when going to the door, although I can't say that that's an Amazon drivers' practice (or even that any do it) just a general observation.

Did spend a happy hour recently with my neighbour walking around the neighbourhood looking for a fortunately very distinctive doormat that his delivery had been left on (appeared in the photo as proof of delivery) so perhaps the Amazon directive is also to check that the right address has been chosen.
 

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What the Royal Mail, Amazon and others really need is a Green parcel option. There are plenty of items I have ordered with Amazon Prime i simply don't need the next or even sake day yet there is no option to request it be sent the greenest least environment damaging means which may take a few days as it is railed or even trucked rather than flown from Europe say. Most be a market for thus.
If it's possible, the greenest option would be to see if a local business stocks your requirement and walk there and buy it. Failing that, perhaps use a click and collect option and walk to the pickup point.
Just saying...
 

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If it's possible, the greenest option would be to see if a local business stocks your requirement and walk there and buy it. Failing that, perhaps use a click and collect option and walk to the pickup point.
Just saying...

And use a butcher that slaughtered locally reared livestock, a greengrocer that was supplied by local market gardens and so on. The grocer would deliver a week's supplies and collect your order for the next week - a slower version of click and collect.

That's exactly the world when I was younger, but once almost everyone decided that supermarkets were cheaper and therefore better, all the local shops lost trade and closed down.
 

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Royal Mail are moving from Electric train to diesel trucks, increasing pollution , as the cost of road trucks are cheaper than replacing the end of life 29 year old class 325 EMUs.
End of life? The 325s were not intensively used, and are in far, far better condition than the Porterbrook 319s that could have provided a substantial source of spares.
The RM statement claims “To improve reliability, increase cost effectiveness and remain consistent with our environmental goals, over the coming months we will cease operating our own trains while continuing to use a mix of rail, road and air to transport mail to all corners of the UK.”

This seems to suggest some sort of trains will still be used to transport mail, just no longer Class 325s.
The Varamis 321s, being the first to spring to mind, are even older. So this doesn’t tally with the arguments that Royal Mail has set out.
 

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The Varamis 321s, being the first to spring to mind, are even older. So this doesn’t tally with the arguments that Royal Mail has set out.

It does if the 325s need some kind of overhaul to extend their operational life which would clearly be considerably more expensive than simply paying to use a third-party delivery service like Varamis.
 

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It does if the 325s need some kind of overhaul to extend their operational life which would clearly be considerably more expensive than simply paying to use a third-party delivery service like Varamis.
I'm assuming that the subtext of what has been said by RM is that the £25s are due to fairly major work which they don't consider to be the worth it given the flows / market the 325s were designed for ...
presumably Varamis has done work on the 321s
 

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321s and 319s are much simpler than the 325s in terms of the running gear, the 325s have some 'complexities' about being able to be locomotive hauled. Also doesn't have 30 some years of passenger running and improvements to help.
 

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Do the container trains ever get used for domestic traffic? I've noticed on streams from America, amazon sends a lot via container, including parcels.220115072737-03-los-angeles-train-thefts.jpg
Image shows the aftermath of a looted Container train, with lots of parcels scattered on the track.
 

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Does anyone know for certain the final day of operation for the Royal Mail 325s?

I've been given two dates - 10th October or tomorrow, 20th September - then off for scrap.

EDIT - just been advised that tomorrow is the last day.
 
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Does anyone know for certain the final day of operation for the Royal Mail 325s?

I've been given two dates - 10th October or tomorrow, 20th September - then off for scrap.
There’s a more recently used discussion in the thread in the diagrams section, although I don’t know if they’re sure either:
 

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There’s a more recently used discussion in the thread in the diagrams section, although I don’t know if they’re sure either:

Ah, sorry I missed that - much obliged.
 

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Does anyone know for certain the final day of operation for the Royal Mail 325s?

I've been given two dates - 10th October or tomorrow, 20th September - then off for scrap.

EDIT - just been advised that tomorrow is the last day.
Ooh that makes me both glad and sad I saw 3 of them on Wednesday, although it will free up some class 1 paths. Was surprised when looking at the info on Realtimetrains & tracksy they fit the 1 & 2 headcodes.

Do the container trains ever get used for domestic traffic? I've noticed on streams from America, amazon sends a lot via container, including parcels.View attachment 163383
Image shows the aftermath of a looted Container train, with lots of parcels scattered on the track.

I guess that train was a Prime target,
 
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