Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

[mde]

Can't say I'm a big fan of the 380 seats either, 170s seats are superior in my view.

Yes, I had 170 406/9 on E&G on Thursday - it was a reminder of the good seats, even if some of them are a bit, well, worse for wear!

The 380s have a rather 'Strathclyde' level of comfort to them - comparatively close to the 334s in some respects. Functional, but, ScotRail would be kidding themselves if they tried to sell them as first class (remembering, of course, there is remnants of that aborted attempt on some units - the same seat with a bit of 'leather' trim ).

 

[GrimShady]

Yes, I had 170 406/9 on E&G on Thursday - it was a reminder of the good seats, even if some of them are a bit, well, worse for wear!

The 380s have a rather 'Strathclyde' level of comfort to them - comparatively close to the 334s in some respects. Functional, but, ScotRail would be kidding themselves if they tried to sell them as first class (remembering, of course, there is remnants of that aborted attempt on some units - the same seat with a bit of 'leather' trim ).

This is what really pisses me off with modern stock. It seems every new generation seating and interior quality gets worse than the previous. There's no valid reason for this apart from penny pinching. They should be taking all the best features of the previous generation and improving upon it not regressing!

Rail seems to be the only form of transport that suffers from this totally backwards thinking.

I never actually seen the prototype 380 first seats, as you say I'm told they were disgraceful even by modern standards.

 

[superalbs]

This is what really pisses me off with modern stock. It seems every new generation seating and interior quality gets worse than the previous. There's no valid reason for this apart from penny pinching. They should be taking all the best features of the previous generation and improving upon it not regressing!

Rail seems to be the only form of transport that suffers from this totally backwards thinking.

I never actually seen the prototype 380 first seats, as you say I'm told they were disgraceful even by modern standards.

Basically a leather rim.

 

[Clansman]

Photo nabbed from Twitter, showing the monstrosity that was attempted...

 

[GrimShady]

Photo nabbed from Twitter, showing the monstrosity that was attempted...

Wow....that is pathetic

No wonder they choose to suspend FC!

 

[Clansman]

Wow....that is pathetic

No wonder they choose to suspend FC!

If you think that's bad, you ought to have seen the big yellow stickers of "1" plastered throughout that whole section initially.

 

[Mingulay]

Yes, I had 170 406/9 on E&G on Thursday - it was a reminder of the good seats, even if some of them are a bit, well, worse for wear!

The 380s have a rather 'Strathclyde' level of comfort to them - comparatively close to the 334s in some respects. Functional, but, ScotRail would be kidding themselves if they tried to sell them as first class (remembering, of course, there is remnants of that aborted attempt on some units - the same seat with a bit of 'leather' trim ).

I guess it's a balance between comfort and space. I have no issue with the seat being thinner if it gives more legroom . My gripe with the 158 refurb seat is too big a cushion no legroom. But fine to sit on. Also if the seat design creates a deep crevice between seat back and base cushions that's where all the hairs crumbs and debris collects which makes the seat look dirty and which Scotrail don't clean well at all. I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of design to come up with a things he seat moulded as one unit that comfortable and easy to vacuum ? I will reserve judgement till I try a 385 but it seems it will be some time till we get them in Dunblane. Be happy with any train right now. No service for a whole week. No doubt works running over ?

 

[hexagon789]

The four car sets are dedicated E&G are they not?

Eventually, yes. I believe some four-car sets are going to work Edinburgh-Dunblane for a bit from May, replacing the 365s when they go off-lease.

 

[youngac]

RTT is once again showing delivery paths for Tuesday night and Thursday night.

 

[SC318250]

Am I right in saying that a few Edinburgh to North Berwick services will be 380 operated to allow Ayr to Edinburgh/North Berwick to continue once 385 fully op

 

[The_Engineer]

Am I right in saying that a few Edinburgh to North Berwick services will be 380 operated to allow Ayr to Edinburgh/North Berwick to continue once 385 fully op

I think the intention is that ScotRail will still use Class 380s on Ayr - Glasgow Central - Carstairs - Edinburgh, but all 385s on the North Berwicks.

Diagrams have not yet been drawn up but Class 385s from North Berwick MAY be diagrammed into Edinburgh - Stirling - Alloa services to give cross Edinburgh services. In addition, diagramming may result in some Glasgow Central to Edinburgh via Shotts trains being part of the Class 380 diagrams.

These were initial aspirations early on in the E&G project. Along with keeping all E&G services as Class 385. I've seen nothing else yet officially since. It will be interesting to see what diagrams are actually produced when full electric services start on all these lines...…

 

[SC318250]

Any train from December that comes through from Ayr, to Edinburgh or North Berwick from December timetable seems to return to Ayr or Glasgow Central, except one in the evening which works a couple of North Berwick services, then sits in Platform 3 at Edinburgh overnight, before working the 1st North Berwick to Glasgow service then the 0930 Glasgow to Ayr. Be interesting to see if this will be booked a 4 car or 6 car 380

 

[Typhoon_93]

RTT is once again showing delivery paths for Tuesday night and Thursday night.

385108 noted outside at Aycliffe today with delivery panel fitted so could be a candidate for tomorrow’s move.

 

[Typhoon_93]

67006 departed with 385108 as 5X09 at 21:08

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K96009/2018/10/23/advanced

 

[AlexNL]

Why are they hauled to Craigentinny, are the units not allowed to run under their own power?

 

[DanNCL]

Why are they hauled to Craigentinny, are the units not allowed to run under their own power?

No wires between Aycliffe and Darlington so they'd have to be hauled for at least that bit, it does seem a bit odd that they don't run under their own power from Darlington though, especially seeing as the loco has to run round the unit there anyway

 

[Typhoon_93]

No wires between Aycliffe and Darlington so they'd have to be hauled for at least that bit, it does seem a bit odd that they don't run under their own power from Darlington though, especially seeing as the loco has to run round the unit there anyway

Loco doesn’t run round it goes via dinsdale branch the along the stillington branch rejoining the mainline at Ferryhill

 

[DanNCL]

Loco doesn’t run round it goes via dinsdale branch the along the stillington branch rejoining the mainline at Ferryhill

In that case then it's probably easier just to go the whole way with the loco, rather than detaching somewhere en-route.

 

[EMU303]

Good to see another one on the way but they are now arriving faster than SR are putting them into service.

 

[Typhoon_93]

Like 107 this one also has the new screens fitted.

 

[MDB1images]

Why are they hauled to Craigentinny, are the units not allowed to run under their own power?

Only a guess(not confirmed!)but it might be DBS crews don't sign Class 385's to drive and thus it's only ScotRail/local crews who can drive them and they don't sign the ECML?

 

[InOban]

That's what I was thinking. Those that sign the route, don't sign the traction and vice versa.

 

[InOban]

BTW, have all the sets, temporarily withdrawn with the braking control problem, now returned to service?

 

[AlexNL]

No wires between Aycliffe and Darlington so they'd have to be hauled for at least that bit, it does seem a bit odd that they don't run under their own power from Darlington though, especially seeing as the loco has to run round the unit there anyway

Loco doesn’t run round it goes via dinsdale branch the along the stillington branch rejoining the mainline at Ferryhill

Only a guess(not confirmed!)but it might be DBS crews don't sign Class 385's to drive and thus it's only ScotRail/local crews who can drive them and they don't sign the ECML?

That's what I was thinking. Those that sign the route, don't sign the traction and vice versa.

Thanks all, a drag makes perfect sense in such conditions

 

[scotraildriver]

BTW, have all the sets, temporarily withdrawn with the braking control problem, now returned to service?

Yes they have.

 

[GrimShady]

Are they going to alter the unit numbers on the ends?

Having them at different heights looks daft!

 

[Chrism20]

Now that the traction is in regular use do the new arrivals require less testing mileage before being introduced or is it still a requirement for a lot of mileage (Can't remember the initial figure) before introduction?

 

[Chuggington21]

Now that the traction is in regular use do the new arrivals require less testing mileage before being introduced or is it still a requirement for a lot of mileage (Can't remember the initial figure) before introduction?

Good to see another one on the way but they are now arriving faster than SR are putting them into service.

The majority of the units when they come up still need fault free running. Also the staff qualified on the units is not at a level they can continue to add the units into service

 

[EMU303]

Given the slow introduction, is there a risk to all-electrics on E-G and S/D/A from the new timetable from the 8th Dec? I think that was the recent promise from Alex Hynes.

 

[K.o.R]

Are they going to alter the unit numbers on the ends?

Having them at different heights looks daft!

I noticed that. Looks like a permanent O_o face