services you'd like to see

[HST Power]

IIRC when the Metro first opened to Newcastle Airport there was a non-stop Tynemouth to Airport service, not sure how long it lasted mind!

It might have been quite quick. The distance between stops on the Metro is very small indeed.

 

[Anon Mouse]

It might have been quite quick. The distance between stops on the Metro is very small indeed.

I think it was early in the morning!

 

[tbtc]

It might have been quite quick. The distance between stops on the Metro is very small indeed.

You'd catch up the "stoppers" very quickly, which would negate the purpose of a limited stop service on the Metro

 

[LE Greys]

Speaking of the Metro, I wouldn't mind seeing some services routed along the old route (presumably with major modifications to the main line) and into Newcastle Central itself. This would be to increase capacity through the City tunnel from Jesmond onwards, thus allowing a new short-cut line to open, giving capacity for the Blyth and Tyne extension. Complicated and probably impossible, but one can dream.

 

[justinsteam]

Princes Risborough-Oxford via Thame.

Unlikely to happen now that the Princes Risborough-Oxford via Bicester Town is going ahead, combined with other factors including the estimated cost to relay the track along the entire length.

 

[Class172]

Bristol-Holyhead

Bristol Temple Meads
Bristol Parkway
Gloucester
Cheltenham Spa
Ashchurch for Tewkesbury
Worcester Shrub Hill
Droitwich Spa
Kidderminster
Stourbridge Junction
(reopen track between Stourbridge North Junction and Wolverhampton)
Wolverhampton
Telford
Shrewsbury
Wrexham
Chester
Colwyn Bay
Llandudno Junction
Bangor
Holyhead

Operated by ATW or XC: 2 hourly service

 

[HST Power]

Speaking of the Metro, I wouldn't mind seeing some services routed along the old route (presumably with major modifications to the main line) and into Newcastle Central itself. This would be to increase capacity through the City tunnel from Jesmond onwards, thus allowing a new short-cut line to open, giving capacity for the Blyth and Tyne extension. Complicated and probably impossible, but one can dream.

I like this idea. Who knows, maybe one day.....

 

[Waverley125]

You mean, other than serving all of the places on the Calder Vale line between Leeds and Manchester?

So, what, you'd withdraw them and leave intermediate stations with no service?

no, this'd be in conjunction with a proper 'metro' service around leeds operating as well. So instead of Leeds-Victoria you'd have

Leeds-Todmorden (some new stations)

New Wortley
Armley Moor
Bramley
New Pudsey
Laisterdyke
Bowling
Low Moor
Hipperholme
Halifax
Sowerby Bridge
Mytholmroyd
Hebden Bridge
Todmorden

with a similar service operating through the proposed Bradford Crossrail to Skipton or Ilkley.

plus a similar service into Bradford, a service via Brighouse, Elland & Deighton to Huddersfield and the existing Blackpool service. Assuming half-hourly intervals you'd have a service pattern of:

Halifax: 5tph Leeds, 1 fast; 5tph Bradford, 1 fast; 4tph Huddersfield
Sowerby Bridge, Mytholmroyd, Hebden Bridge: 2tph Leeds, 2tph Bradford

there'd then presumably be a similar stopper into Victoria going the other way out of Todmorden, possibly the proposed Burnley M Rd-Victoria stopping service.

 

[RichW1]

Manchester City Centre to the north by Intercity linking Manchester to Glasgow, Edinburgh and also to Leeds and Newcastle.

Only just saw this so forget my thread as it was about this very subject relating to Manchester!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

London to Paris stopper would be canny

A certain chairman of the Great Central Railway had your idea as part of his grand plan to link Manchester to Paris in the far-off years when that railway was expanding. At least, the Metropolitan lines are still functioning.
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no, this'd be in conjunction with a proper 'metro' service around leeds operating as well. So instead of Leeds-Victoria you'd have

Leeds-Todmorden (some new stations)

New Wortley
Armley Moor
Bramley
New Pudsey
Laisterdyke
Bowling
Low Moor
Hipperholme
Halifax
Sowerby Bridge
Mytholmroyd
Hebden Bridge
Todmorden

with a similar service operating through the proposed Bradford Crossrail to Skipton or Ilkley.

plus a similar service into Bradford, a service via Brighouse, Elland & Deighton to Huddersfield and the existing Blackpool service. Assuming half-hourly intervals you'd have a service pattern of:

Halifax: 5tph Leeds, 1 fast; 5tph Bradford, 1 fast; 4tph Huddersfield
Sowerby Bridge, Mytholmroyd, Hebden Bridge: 2tph Leeds, 2tph Bradford

there'd then presumably be a similar stopper into Victoria going the other way out of Todmorden, possibly the proposed Burnley M Rd-Victoria stopping service.

When you said that some of these were stations still to be opened, why did you not add in LUDDENDENFOOT?

There are proposals to open a new station at Low Moor at present, but I do not have details of how far forward they have reached at present.

 

[Masbroughlad]

How about extending some of the TPE Manchester - Newcastles to Edinburgh?

Would there be much journey time difference to sending them via the WCML?

 

[Nym]

YES!

About 80 - 100mins longer...

Although extending them and using TPE trains as the stoppers up the ECML north or Newcastle would be nice, easyer to path with mega accelaration

 

[s'land]

A return to Transpennine trains serving Sunderland and a return to a 02.10 Newcastle - Manchester would be canny.

Also an all night service on the ECML between Edinburgh and London to give a 24 hour service including an ECML sleeper.

Oh and if we can go back to fantasy land, a Wagon-Lits sleeper from London Victoria to Paris using a train ferry giving a more civilised route to the Continent!

the tpe services to sunderland should never have been stopped in the first place, sunderland should have a lot more services than what it presently has !!

 

[Masbroughlad]

I lived in York and worked in Newcastle in the late 90s. On a Friday night, ATN used to run a 01.40 something from Newcastle to York. It was a stopper and usually a Pacer very full of drunk people! It was excellent for the end of a good night out.

Take it this is a thing of the past.......?

 

[YorkshireBear]

low moor station, last i heard it was protected from cuts, final designs are being done and it is to open for the dec 2013 timetable change.

but that is that last i heard.

 

[ainsworth74]

Take it this is a thing of the past.......?

It is indeed, the last train to York is the 22:43 EC service to York calling Durham, Darlington, Northallerton and York terminating there at 00:12. The next train isn't until 04:40 when the EC service to Kings Cross calling Durham, Darlington, Northallerton and York arriving at 05:57.

 

[Masbroughlad]

It is indeed, the last train to York is the 22:43 EC service to York calling Durham, Darlington, Northallerton and York terminating there at 00:12. The next train isn't until 04:40 when the EC service to Kings Cross calling Durham, Darlington, Northallerton and York arriving at 05:57.

Progress - not! Must have been a money maker! :roll:

 

[Anon Mouse]

the tpe services to sunderland should never have been stopped in the first place, sunderland should have a lot more services than what it presently has !!

IIRC it was to do with giving the Metro their paths, its a pity as it was much better going to the match on a non-stop service in 1st from Newcastle!
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I lived in York and worked in Newcastle in the late 90s. On a Friday night, ATN used to run a 01.40 something from Newcastle to York. It was a stopper and usually a Pacer very full of drunk people! It was excellent for the end of a good night out.

Take it this is a thing of the past.......?

a service long gone, it was latterley run by TPE as a 02.10 to Manchester Airport. Quite what those passengers boarding after York going on holiday thought of the pools of blood, vomit and wee, the smells and pizza boxes and kebab wrappers!
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Progress - not! Must have been a money maker! :roll:

probably more hassle than it was worth. I miss that train all the same, it was well useful!

 

[Anvil1984]

IIRC it was to do with giving the Metro their paths, its a pity as it was much better going to the match on a non-stop service in 1st from Newcastle!
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a service long gone, it was latterley run by TPE as a 02.10 to Manchester Airport. Quite what those passengers boarding after York going on holiday thought of the pools of blood, vomit and wee, the smells and pizza boxes and kebab wrappers!
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probably more hassle than it was worth. I miss that train all the same, it was well useful!

To be honest the Sunderlands were quite often turned back at Newcastle if their was a slight hunt of a delay (especially in their latter days) and it would be a very tight turn around at Sunderland as well with Metros blocking up the place.

I never got to use the 0140 or 0210, there were rumours Northern were going to try andbring back a hint of the service by running a service of 2 x 142 from Newcastle to York at about 2300 (basically running the daily ECS as a service) but that never materialised

 

[NightatLaira]

The reinstatement of the Clansman (Inverness to London via WCML)
Every now and again a cross country service to run from York to Sheffield non stop via Pontefract (don't ask why!)
The 2100 from Kings Cross to continue to up to Edinburgh
Motorail & the cross country sleepers!

*back to the cold light of day now*

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Being EXTREMELY parochial, the return of "The Delph Donkey".

 

[furryfeet]

the return of "The Delph Donkey".

Was there not a plan to re-lay this line recently ? i.e. was it included in a Railtrack RUS strategy ?
Or has it disappeared into the ether with the cuts ?

 

[DarloRich]

It is indeed, the last train to York is the 22:43 EC service to York calling Durham, Darlington, Northallerton and York terminating there at 00:12. The next train isn't until 04:40 when the EC service to Kings Cross calling Durham, Darlington, Northallerton and York arriving at 05:57.

Newcastle is a cold station when you need to kip there having missed the 22:43! I would have liked to get the old Manchester Airport train at C.0200 but that dersont run anymore - bet it was a fun one to work on!

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Not sure that it's been mentioned, but a Southbound departure from Glasgow Central or Edinburgh Waverley between 7 p.m. and 8 p.m. on a Saturday evening to North West England / North East England would be appreciated.

(There are some later departures Mondays-Fridays and Sundays, but not on Saturdays).

 

[tbtc]

How about extending some of the TPE Manchester - Newcastles to Edinburgh?

I've argued for this in the past.

It'd be a better use of resources in the middle of the day to send a three coach train north of Newcastle compared to some of the 91s which are emptier in the middle of the day. Plus, it enhances links between Edinburgh and Leeds (etc) - not all "end to end" traffic.

With the TPE Edinburgh service (via Carlisle) being every two to four hours, there must be some gaps when a service via Newcastle would be able to slot?

 

[Anon Mouse]

When the Aln Valley opens, maybe they could get a 141 and run an Alnwick to Newcastle service coupling up to the Chathill to Newcastle train at Alnmouth. It would give a commuter route from Alnwick to Newcastle quicker than the bus and better than people driving to Alnmouth, and it would increase capacity on the already full and standing Chathill train......

 

[Class172]

If the line between Honeybourne and Stratford-Upon-Avon was reinstated, I would like to see a 'Snow Hill loop' service calling at

• Birmingham Snow Hill
• Birmingham Moor Street
• Tyseley
• Shirley
• Whitlocks End
• Stratford-Upon-Avon
• Honeybourne
• Evesham
• Pershore
• Worcester Parkway (proposed)
• Worcester Shrub Hill
• Droitwich Spa
• Hartlebury
• Kidderminster
• Blakedown
• Hagley
• Stourbridge Junction
• Smethwick Galton Bridge
• The Hawthorns
• Birmingham Snow Hill

This would be operated as 2 172/3s to form a 6 carriage train
1/2 hourly service clockwise and anticlockwise

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

From an tourist point of view, plus an improvement of local transport coastal links, I would reinstate the old coast line stopping at:-

WICK
THRUMSTER
LYBSTER
MID CLYTH
OCCUMSTER
LYBSTER

I have a feeling that this may have been operated as a Light Railway.

Mr. Salmon, please take note.

 

[HST Power]

Going back to the Metro, I'd like a service to the Airport via Monument, starting at South Hylton.

 

[Anon Mouse]

Going back to the Metro, I'd like a service to the Airport via Monument, starting at South Hylton.

Thats the existing route to the Airport!

I would like to see a revival of The Night Ferry Waggon Lits Sleeper from London to Paris. Maybe also some kind of loco hauled Euronight service to maybe Berlin, Vienna or Prague.

Back to domestic trains, a return to a full TPO service and a return to Newspaper traffic, both with the odd passenger car attached!