Southern Class 455 Withdrawal

[Dhansak]

There are a few knocking around Horsham now. 455817 and 5820 are in the sidings beside the station, whilst 5812 and 5844 lead the sets in the down sidings.

 

[PZ 08895]

There are a few knocking around Horsham now. 455817 and 5820 are in the sidings beside the station, whilst 5812 and 5844 lead the sets in the down sidings.

There are some 8 455s at Horsham currently. As well as those mentioned above, 5812, 5844 & 5801 are in the sidings at the London end if the station plus some other sets I was not able to identify.

 

[XCTurbostar]

There are some 8 455s at Horsham currently. As well as those mentioned above, 5812, 5844 & 5801 are in the sidings at the London end if the station plus some other sets I was not able to identify.

The trio with 5844 on the back is 5844, 5823 and 5801 this ran as 5C55 on saturday

 

[physics34]

455838, 455839, 455810, 455825, 455827, 455831
That’s just from reading through this thread having searched for “Newport”.

It would be a sad sight but i want to see pics of a 455 going through the scrapping process. Im sure someone will post some up eventually

Current update on train formations:

Victoria- Epsom Downs: will remain 8 coaches

Victoria- Sutton: mostly 10 coaches, sometimes 8

London Bridge- Caterham: 5 coaches

London Bridge- East Croydon: 5 coaches

London Bridge- Beckenham Junction: 5 coaches

London Victoria- West Croydon: 10 coaches

London Bridge- Caterham/Tattenham Corner: 8 coaches

London Bridge- Victoria: 8 coaches

London Bridge- Epsom: 10 coaches

London Victoria- Epsom/Dorking/Horsham: alternates between 8 and 10 coaches

Clapham Junction- Watford Junction: 4 coaches

Thanks for that. Watfords are going to be heaving in the peak

 

[gka472l]

It would be a sad sight but i want to see pics of a 455 going through the scrapping process. Im sure someone will post some up eventually


Thanks for that. Watfords are going to be heaving in the peak

Unlikely, virtually no pics of anything being scrapped at Newport as far as I know.......might have seen the odd one of a 442 & 143 there but that's all

HTH

 

[thedbdiboy]

Current update on train formations:

Victoria- Epsom Downs: will remain 8 coaches

Victoria- Sutton: mostly 10 coaches, sometimes 8

London Bridge- Caterham: 5 coaches

London Bridge- East Croydon: 5 coaches

London Bridge- Beckenham Junction: 5 coaches

London Victoria- West Croydon: 10 coaches

London Bridge- Caterham/Tattenham Corner: 8 coaches

London Bridge- Victoria: 8 coaches

London Bridge- Epsom: 10 coaches

London Victoria- Epsom/Dorking/Horsham: alternates between 8 and 10 coaches

Clapham Junction- Watford Junction: 4 coaches

Thanks - I didn't think there were ay more London Bridge - Vic services anymore? I know there are two M-F peak Vic - London Bridge ones but haven't spotted any others

 

[physics34]

Unlikely, virtually no pics of anything being scrapped at Newport as far as I know.......might have seen the odd one of a 442 & 143 there but that's all

HTH

High security? Hopefully there will be 1 sneaky pic taken

 

[DanNCL]

High security? Hopefully there will be 1 sneaky pic taken

Not so much that but rather the speed that Newport process everything. It’s not uncommon for stuff to be completely shredded less than 24 hours after arriving there.

Photos do occasionally make it out, most commonly on the paid section of WNXX. I’ve seen photos of 143s, 442s and 91s all being scrapped there, the latter done the old fashioned way with a gas axe!

 

[fgwrich]

Not so much that but rather the speed that Newport process everything. It’s not uncommon for stuff to be completely shredded less than 24 hours after arriving there.

Photos do occasionally make it out, most commonly on the paid section of WNXX. I’ve seen photos of 143s, 442s and 91s all being scrapped there, the latter done the old fashioned way with a gas axe!

I’m not so surprised about the gas axe coming out for the 91s given the amount of thicker and heavier metal in those than say an EMU. It seems the way most stock gets scrapped at Newport is with a bulldozer and grabber. Tip it on its side, free the bogies, then grab and crush. It’s quick, cruel and unfortunately in Newports eyes, quite efficient. Whereas say, Booths take a lot longer as they may strip out a vehicle first, everything at Newport is left to the shredder.

 

[ctrh136]

Current update on train formations:

Victoria- Epsom Downs: will remain 8 coaches

Victoria- Sutton: mostly 10 coaches, sometimes 8

London Bridge- Caterham: 5 coaches

London Bridge- East Croydon: 5 coaches

London Bridge- Beckenham Junction: 5 coaches

London Victoria- West Croydon: 10 coaches

London Bridge- Caterham/Tattenham Corner: 8 coaches

London Bridge- Victoria: 8 coaches

London Bridge- Epsom: 10 coaches

London Victoria- Epsom/Dorking/Horsham: alternates between 8 and 10 coaches

Clapham Junction- Watford Junction: 4 coaches

Looks like also one of the am peak East Grinstead services is reduced from 12 to 8 car, with the reinstatement of the TL service to help mitigate that.

 

[Class455]

Not so much that but rather the speed that Newport process everything. It’s not uncommon for stuff to be completely shredded less than 24 hours after arriving there.

Photos do occasionally make it out, most commonly on the paid section of WNXX. I’ve seen photos of 143s, 442s and 91s all being scrapped there, the latter done the old fashioned way with a gas axe!

I was shocked that the flame cuts of 455825 were available on the tour considering it had only arrived at Sims on Tuesday. It was scrapped the very next day which shows how quickly Newport dispose of units which is sad from an enthusiasts point of view.

 

[king_walnut]

Is anyone familiar with the process of scrapping a train? I assume they recycle as much metal as possible but what about all the other stuff? Just landfill?

 

[Tynwald]

bogies off and into the crusher. gone very quick.

 

[43172]

Is anyone familiar with the process of scrapping a train? I assume they recycle as much metal as possible but what about all the other stuff? Just landfill?

Alot of trains are sent to Newport, where they are placed into the worlds largest shredder to be recylced. There are occasions where things will be reomved on site prior to destruction (flame cut numbers, nameplates etc.) but few things are salvaged from there compared to somewhere like Eastleigh. I've attached a documentry from YouTube to give an idea of the size of operations at Newport.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Current update on train formations:

Victoria- Epsom Downs: will remain 8 coaches

Victoria- Sutton: mostly 10 coaches, sometimes 8

London Bridge- Caterham: 5 coaches

London Bridge- East Croydon: 5 coaches

London Bridge- Beckenham Junction: 5 coaches

London Victoria- West Croydon: 10 coaches

London Bridge- Caterham/Tattenham Corner: 8 coaches

London Bridge- Victoria: 8 coaches

London Bridge- Epsom: 10 coaches

London Victoria- Epsom/Dorking/Horsham: alternates between 8 and 10 coaches

Clapham Junction- Watford Junction: 4 coaches

Interesting that the newer build Electrostars now dominate the route via South Bermondsey, as there weren’t any booked there before, it was all 455 & 377 Mk1. I see they’ve swapped with the classic 377s on the Caterham/Tattenham fast services.

 

[PGAT]

Thanks - I didn't think there were ay more London Bridge - Vic services anymore? I know there are two M-F peak Vic - London Bridge ones but haven't spotted any others

You are correct, I just thought it would be interesting to point those services out as well.

Interesting that the newer build Electrostars now dominate the route via South Bermondsey, as there weren’t any booked there before, it was all 455 & 377 Mk1. I see they’ve swapped with the classic 377s on the Caterham/Tattenham fast services.

I feel like reducing from 8 coaches to 5 will cause some overcrowding problems, especially on the Beckenham Junction route which only receives a train every hour. I also can't imagine a 4 coach train on the Clapham to Watford route doing wonders either.

Reducing from 10 to 8 coaches on Caterham & Tattenham Corner services would lose 20% of it's capacity, and on the network in total there would be 2000 less seats per day from these losses with very little if not no new services to compensate.

Not to mention how crowded Watford/Hemel stations will be with all the people changing for services to Milton Keynes and longer waiting times at stations such as Norbury and West Croydon because some peak Sutton services have been withdrawn.

 

[BRblue33]

Been reported at Hove Yard today. 45514/22/30/33/34/36/43.

 

[Bikeman78]

Had a go on 455807, 814, 822, 836, 840 and 843 on the last day and 818+832 on Friday night. While 818 and 832 were both rather rough, jerky riders, the others were generally in decent fettle.

I won't pretend to be a fan of the 455s but it's still a real shame to see them go. Not a lot of variety on the Southern lines now, and even less once the 313s follow suit.

Saw 455801, 812, 820, 826, 844 and another stabled at Horsham today, while the aforementioned 814+822+836 12 car for Hove passed me near Wandsworth earlier.

I had a mini farewell early Saturday morning. Did 5804 Victoria to Epsom Downs and back to West Croydon for 5815 up to Victoria. Very friendly driver on 5804, we had a chat at Epsom Downs. 5815 has always stood out since I rode on it from Redhill to Horsham on a snowy Saturday 26 years ago so I'm glad it turned out to be my last ride.

 

[Larkhall]

I feel like reducing from 8 coaches to 5 will cause some overcrowding problems,

It was noticeably cosier this morning on one of the routes which has gone from 8 to 5, and this is a Monday rather than say Tues/Thurs. I really hope there's a long term plan to increase service length again.

 

[J burge]

Hi does anybody know which 455s are off to Newport sims tomorrow Tue and the one Thursday thanks

 

[Elorith]

It would appear that a 455 seat has made it's way into the cess on platform 15 at CLJ.

A mislaid "souvenir" from Saturday perhaps??

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I’m assuming everything went well yesterday with a solely 377 Metro?

 

[Intro298]

I’m assuming everything went well yesterday with a solely 377 Metro?

I went on a 5 car class 377 yesterday and it didn’t have many passengers, albeit it was 10 at night.

 

[Class455]

Hi does anybody know which 455s are off to Newport sims tomorrow Tue and the one Thursday thanks

No idea on units but ex Europe 66793 is the loco

 

[03_179]

Today 809/816

 

[J burge]

Thankyou for that

No idea on units but ex Europe 66793 is the loco

Thankyou for reply

Today 809/816

Thankyou for reply

 

[Class455]

Today 809/816

And Thursday is 835/841?

Does anyone know when 809’s last passenger service was? I looked through your blog to find out but I don’t think it’s been in service for a while.

 

[physics34]

I’m assuming everything went well yesterday with a solely 377 Metro?

As others have said 5 cars on peak trains into and out of London Bridge are a problem. Rammed. Also the 4 car on Watfords too.

 

[03_179]

20th March 2022 - 2K73 23:22 West Croydon to Victoria - Last pass service

 

[warwickshire]

As others have said 5 cars on peak trains into and out of London Bridge are a problem. Rammed. Also the 4 car on Watfords too.

Very sadly. This is the thing to come.
From the government and rolling stock companies. Enjoying forcing passengers onto rammed 4 or 5 car trains to make a large profit. Whilst causing them to suffer. Also don't know how much Eversholt train leasing will make this year. From 455 Withdrawal.
However a good source of mine has informed me they made 41 million last year. From the 365 demise. Profit for them absolutely shocking. Probably no doubt big back hander to the dft also.