SWR Class 458 to be retained

[Rail Quest]

Is it possible both units are heading down tomorrow or just the first unit to be painted?

 

[Class37Colas]

I believe the first 458 is expected back south today/tomorrow, saw on RTT

 

[Rail Quest]

I believe the first 458 is expected back south today/tomorrow, saw on RTT

Have you got some RTT links? I was told the one that got cancelled yesterday was actually supposed to be a 701 drag as the unit that would have been taken down was then scheduled to go on to Bournemouth though I can't validate the claim.

 

[spark001uk]

Wonder if they were trying to get this first 458 down to join the Waterloo 175 celebrations today?

 

[LUYMun]

Yesterday's 5Z70 run to Widnes was cancelled, which in turn the 5Z62 Widnes - Wembley run has not operated either, so one assumes that today's 5Z74 Wembley - Bournemouth run won't go ahead today.

 

[WarrenTManager]

Wonder if they were trying to get this first 458 down to join the Waterloo 175 celebrations today?

No.

 

[hxxxh]

Possible movement coming up on Monday, a repeat of last Monday’s cancelled moves.

5Z70 from Leicester to Widnes

Realtime Trains | 5Z70 1545 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech | 17/07/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Z70 1545 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech on 17/07/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q62 from Widnes to Wembley

Realtime Trains | 5Q62 2111 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 17/07/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q62 2111 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 17/07/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q65 from Wembley to Bournemouth

Realtime Trains | 5Q65 1435 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 18/07/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q65 1435 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 18/07/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Will be interesting to see if this runs, very keen to get a proper look at a refurbished 458

 

[WarrenTManager]

8523 is going to Bournemouth tomorrow and there is an order to strip the 460 car. I would guess this goes up with the loco that delivers the unit to BM on Tuesday.

 

[Snow1964]

Possible movement coming up on Monday, a repeat of last Monday’s cancelled moves.

5Z70 from Leicester to Widnes

5Q62 from Widnes to Wembley

5Q65 from Wembley to Bournemouth

Will be interesting to see if this runs, very keen to get a proper look at a refurbished 458

Just out of interest, why would first leg be a Z code, then other two Q codes. Presumably second pair won't happen without the first.

 

[pompeyfan]

Just out of interest, why would first leg be a Z code, then other two Q codes. Presumably second pair won't happen without the first.

The move to Widnes will only have barrier wagons which won’t have any route restrictions (Mark 1 coaches I believe) the 458 drag May have clearance and gauge issues

 

[Pep and co]

Does anyone know which unit(s) are heading south later today (17/7) on 5Q62?
Thanks in advance for any news regards this info

Can confirm 458417 now heading south. Just seen on approach to Runcorn 21 mins early

 

[Matt Taylor]

458523 did indeed move to Bournemouth today.

 

[ebennett07]

https://twitter.com/shunterinred/status/1681053155956498432?t=AYYoEi6wsarHrA96i-2RKA&s=19

 

[fgwrich]

Looks like it wasn’t the best of nights for 8417 with a dragging brake reported enroute.

 

[ebennett07]

Unfortunately, but it will be replaced when testing starts, obviously

Looks like it wasn’t the best of nights for 8417 with a dragging brake reported enroute.

 

[LUYMun]

5Q65 drags seems to be on hold at Woking at the moment.

Edit: now on the move

 

[Goldfish62]

5Q65 drags seems to be on hold at Woking at the moment.

Edit: now on the move

It was behind the train I caught at Staines, but I didn't have time to wait to see it unfortunately.

 

[Siemens Staines]

I did see 5Q65 pass through Staines and noticed that 458417 has been delivered with some of its windows still in their characteristic fogged up condition. I did think that maybe this long standing issue may have been addressed during its lengthy sojourn in the North, but it would appear not.

 

[Goldfish62]

I did see 5Q65 pass through Staines and noticed that 458417 has been delivered with some of its windows still in their characteristic fogged up condition. I did think that maybe this long standing issue may have been addressed during its lengthy sojourn in the North, but it would appear not.

I'm sure the excuse for not dealing them was indeed that they'd be dealt with upon refurb.

On that basis this sounds like it could be another refurb on the cheap like with the conversion to 5 cars when the toilets weren't even deep cleaned.

 

[Cheatcode]

One of the refurbished units is currently at Southampton central. The new seats Installed are the same design as the greater Anglia FLIRTs.

 

[The_Train]

Which carriage has been removed from 8417 please?

 

[fgwrich]

Which carriage has been removed from 8417 please?

74426 is the ex Gat Ex 460 vehicle removed from 8417.

One of the refurbished units is currently at Southampton central. The new seats Installed are the same design as the greater angrier FLIRTs.

Ah, thanks! I did try to take a peek at the interior as it past earlier but was going too fast to really see through the seat covers.

 

[The_Train]

74426 is the ex Gat Ex 460 vehicle removed from 8417.

Thanks Rich

 

[43096]

Which carriage has been removed from 8417 please?

All the converted sets have the Class 460 vehicle removed, so they go back to their original formations as they were as Class 458/0.

 

[The_Train]

All the converted sets have the Class 460 vehicle removed, so they go back to their original formations as they were as Class 458/0.

Thanks for that

 

[Cheatcode]

74426 is the ex Gat Ex 460 vehicle removed from 8417.


Ah, thanks! I did try to take a peek at the interior as it past earlier but was going too fast to really see through the seat covers.

This is a rubbish photo as I was in a rush, but you can see the seats there. The first class seats seem to be the exact same unfortunately

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

This is a rubbish photo as I was in a rush, but you can see the seats there. The first class seats seem to be the exact same unfortunately

Thank you so much for taking and sharing photos. Did you see if the number was as reported 458417?

 

[fgwrich]

This is a rubbish photo as I was in a rush, but you can see the seats there. The first class seats seem to be the exact same unfortunately

Cheers! I thought the Grammer IC3000 were still in when it went past earlier. So we now have a situation where Standard Class really is more luxurious than First Class (though it was never difficult in the 458s).

 

[Cheatcode]

Thank you so much for taking and sharing photos. Did you see if the number was as reported 458417?

Yep, the unit number was 458417

(Again, a great example of what happens when you take a photo while running for a connecting train)

 

[Western Sunset]

Did the unit ever get to Bournemouth depot this evening? Or was it caped at Southampton?