TfW Class 67+Mk4 sets: trip planning/experiences, diagram updates etc

[Topological]

HD01 is on route to Manchester
On 1W11 with 67008.

Thank you. Glad to see HD01 is back working. RTT is a bit hit and miss with saying which Mk4 is on each service.

 

[MP393]

HD07 + 67020 are showing as swapping in at Crewe for
1V42 13:10 to Cardiff and 1W63 16:53 to Manchester

 

[37052 xb mr]

Cheers

 

[37052 xb mr]

67022 just leaving Crewe for Cardiff
0Z22

 

[sd0733]

67022 just leaving Crewe for Cardiff
0Z22

To go onto HD03 replacing broken 67015.

HD04 will now work to Holyhead this Evening with unit on w61/v62. HD05 isn't ready at ETD so now planned to head to ATC tomorrow.

Tomorrow should see 67010 leave HD02 at Crewe and go and collect its stricken classmate 015 and return it to Crewe ETD.

67008+HD01 (1W13) and 67022+HD03 (1W11) should be on Canton starts tomorrow, 67013+HD04 from Holyhead whilst 67017+HD06 (1V33) and 67020+HD07 (1V31) should be the Crewe starts.
HD04 should have some maintenance done at Crewe on Wednesday while the other 6 are expected to be available.

 

[37052 xb mr]

To go onto HD03 replacing broken 67015.

HD04 will now work to Holyhead this Evening with unit on w61/v62. HD05 isn't ready at ETD so now planned to head to ATC tomorrow.

Tomorrow should see 67010 leave HD02 at Crewe and go and collect its stricken classmate 015 and return it to Crewe ETD.

67008+HD01 (1W13) and 67022+HD03 (1W11) should be on Canton starts tomorrow, 67013+HD04 from Holyhead whilst 67017+HD06 (1V33) and 67020+HD07 (1V31) should be the Crewe starts.
HD04 should have some maintenance done at Crewe on Wednesday while the other 6 are expected to be available.

Thank you

 

[MP393]

HD07 and 67020 has failed it’s prep and will not be coming out for 1V42 and 1W63 now

 

[SaltAndVinegar]

Does anybody "in the know" have any info on why there is a Mon-Fri diagram with a 1630 departure from MAN to SWA which seems to _always_ have a timetable amendment which cuts the journey short, terminating at CDF?

Looking 2 weeks ahead I can see this service terminating at Swansea, but it's consistently amended to terminate at CDF.

Thank you

 

[Jez]

Does anybody "in the know" have any info on why there is a Mon-Fri diagram with a 1630 departure from MAN to SWA which seems to _always_ have a timetable amendment which cuts the journey short, terminating at CDF?

Looking 2 weeks ahead I can see this service terminating at Swansea, but it's consistently amended to terminate at CDF.

Thank you

Its been like that since the December timetable change. Believe its something to do with Canton not being able to take 2 terminating MK4's at the same time. The Swansea would be ECS to Canton, arriving around the same time the 1830 Manchester-Cardiff arrives.

It is annoying for those of us living towards Swansea as it is the only train to Swansea Mon-Fri formed of a MK4.

Perhaps someone else who is in the know can provide a more specific reasons and also when its expected to resume to Swansea (if ever!)

 

[aar0]

It is annoying for those of us living towards Swansea as it is the only train to Swansea Mon-Fri formed of a MK4.

It’s so annoying! And now there’s an early starter from Swansea surely it could camp overnight…

 

[Jez]

It’s so annoying! And now there’s an early starter from Swansea surely it could camp overnight…

I thought that myself but the train crew are Cardiff based so they would still have to get them to and from Cardiff. Not so much an issue during the evening I guess but at 5am..... Also I think the set that does the service the following morning is a different one to what does the evening service.

 

[Lewisham2221]

It’s so annoying! And now there’s an early starter from Swansea surely it could camp overnight…

I don't think the 67s have the fuel range to allow them to be out-stabled. Agreed that it is frustrating though.

 

[Topological]

I do not complain that we finally have a Mk4 starting in Swansea, but it is a lot of messing about to get an ECS to Swansea and then the ECS at the end of the day.

The train is not exactly needed capacity either, the 08:53 from Cardiff starting back at Swansea would be more use. Likewise, the 14:30 from Manchester going to Swansea. That would resolve the ECS back to Canton issue.

 

[Jez]

I do not complain that we finally have a Mk4 starting in Swansea, but it is a lot of messing about to get an ECS to Swansea and then the ECS at the end of the day.

The train is not exactly needed capacity either, the 08:53 from Cardiff starting back at Swansea would be more use. Likewise, the 14:30 from Manchester going to Swansea. That would resolve the ECS back to Canton issue.

I agree. I've always thought the morning Swansea service was far too early to be of much use for most people wanting to travel. Leaving Swansea around 0745 would be much better. Of course it would require some juggling of diagrams as 0853 is formed from one of the set that starts in Crewe.
I think 1630 is okay for the return working to Swansea perhaps to resolve the issue at Canton extend the 1830 to Swansea also and run it back in service if they don't want to do another ECS.

Or do something similar to what they do on Sundays but that would involve even more juggling of sets. The only reason It can happen Sundays is there are only 2 diagrams for the Mk4s

 

[BillStampy]

I agree. I've always thought the morning Swansea service was far too early to be of much use for most people wanting to travel. Leaving Swansea around 0745 would be much better. Of course it would require some juggling of diagrams as 0853 is formed from one of the set that starts in Crewe.
I think 1630 is okay for the return working to Swansea perhaps to resolve the issue at Canton extend the 1830 to Swansea also and run it back in service if they don't want to do another ECS.

Or do something similar to what they do on Sundays but that would involve even more juggling of sets. The only reason It can happen Sundays is there are only 2 diagrams for the Mk4s

If possible it'd run the early morning service down to Swansea and then run back up to Manchester approximately 0745 off Swansea, that'd be great. I feel 1V46 would be a much better option for the Swansea service as it's regularly fairly busy on the unit taking it onwards, running it back to Cardiff in service is also something that should be done anyway, I'm not too sure why they run ECS as it feels like a missed opportunity.

As for Sunday, this has been brought up in this forum in previous months but I'd like to bring it up anyway. In my opinion, 5W56 should not run down to Swansea empty. Ideally you'd have a service to Swansea between the first service, 1B43 at 0829 and the second service of the day 1B09 and 0944, a gap of 1 hour 15 minutes. 5W56 departs Cardiff at 0914 but would ideally leave around 0905 to allow for stopping, it would be a perfect fit for the service timings and would provide some relief to the GWR service later on if needed.

 

[Topological]

I agree. I've always thought the morning Swansea service was far too early to be of much use for most people wanting to travel. Leaving Swansea around 0745 would be much better. Of course it would require some juggling of diagrams as 0853 is formed from one of the set that starts in Crewe.
I think 1630 is okay for the return working to Swansea perhaps to resolve the issue at Canton extend the 1830 to Swansea also and run it back in service if they don't want to do another ECS.

Or do something similar to what they do on Sundays but that would involve even more juggling of sets. The only reason It can happen Sundays is there are only 2 diagrams for the Mk4s

Basically, ends up needing 3 to overnight at Canton, which does not currently fit.

In the current diagrams one of the early arrivals into Cardiff stays until forming the 14:53, so the arrival from Crewe could form the 10:53 instead of the 08:53, with subsequent trains also having longer layovers.

The 20:05 can become a Mk4 to balance the 04:11 from Crewe.

I know we end up with the reason the present diagrams are chosen, but it does miss a chance to add capacity between Swansea and Cardiff in the peaks.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Today at Crewe depot: (31/3/25)

67017 connected to HD06

67020 connected to HD07

 

[SaltAndVinegar]

I reached out to TfW who confirmed a long term desire to extend the 1630 from CDF to SWA, but as has already been eluded to, Canton TMD can't handle the arrivals so close together and they want to avoid creating a bottleneck with the mk4s going into the depot. It will continue terminating at CDF for the rest of the current timetable, and likely will continue to be amended in the new timetable from mid May onwards.

 

[Welshguy1048]

Morning

What is due to be on 1W96 tonight please?

Thank you

Dave

 

[37052 xb mr]

Morning

What is due to be on 1W96 tonight please?

Thank you

Dave

67008 set 1

 

[Welshguy1048]

67008 set 1

@37052 xb mr

Thank you

Dave

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Loss of signalling at Hereford, disruption "until the end of the day".
That won't do much for the Mk4 diagrams or any others through the Marches.

Incident: Hereford | National Rail

Disruption at Hereford expected until the end of the day. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

PS at 1710:
Not much sign of disruption at Hereford on RTT, and mainly to/from Worcester.

 

[37052 xb mr]

Loss of signalling at Hereford, disruption "until the end of the day".
That won't do much for the Mk4 diagrams or any others through the Marches.

Incident: Hereford | National Rail

Disruption at Hereford expected until the end of the day. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

PS at 1710:
Not much sign of disruption at Hereford on RTT, and mainly to/from Worcester.

1W11 & 1W13 only made it to
Crewe both turned there
Rest haven’t been too bad,

 

[Topological]

Loss of signalling at Hereford, disruption "until the end of the day".
That won't do much for the Mk4 diagrams or any others through the Marches.

Incident: Hereford | National Rail

Disruption at Hereford expected until the end of the day. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

PS at 1710:
Not much sign of disruption at Hereford on RTT, and mainly to/from Worcester.

It was strange this morning

1W11 sat south of Hereford and then went through 50 minutes late
1W12 did not set off from Cardiff until 45 minutes late and then ran through with no problem
1W13 arrived at Crewe on time but terminated

As a result almost 2 hours late into Manchester having attempted 1W12. I assumed with 1W13 being on time that was the end of the disruption, but seems not.

 

[MP393]

Loss of signalling at Hereford, disruption "until the end of the day".
That won't do much for the Mk4 diagrams or any others through the Marches.

Incident: Hereford | National Rail

Disruption at Hereford expected until the end of the day. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

PS at 1710:
Not much sign of disruption at Hereford on RTT, and mainly to/from Worcester.

Few delays passing signals at danger but nothing major, was worse this morning. Worcester trains appeared to be suspended.

1W11, 1W12 & 1W13 were also turned back due to a points issue at Chelford this morning, which is now happening again now, with train using the loop rather than mainlines through Chelford.

 

[SaltAndVinegar]

1V37 left from Crewe platform 12 today, that threw me off with my typical “it says 5 but I don’t trust it, I’m waiting on 6” mentality… due to the signalling issue around Hereford.

I can’t see any mk4s swapped to 197s today, pretty good!

 

[37052 xb mr]

Hello, Any ID please on
Wednesday’s Crewe starts
1V31 & 1V33
010 set 2
013 set 4
016 set 5
020 set 7

008 set 1 Holyhead
017 set 6 Cardiff
022 set 3 Cardiff

Thanks

 

[MP393]

Hello, Any ID please on
Wednesday’s Crewe starts
1V31 & 1V33
010 set 2
013 set 4
016 set 5
020 set 7

008 set 1 Holyhead
017 set 6 Cardiff
022 set 3 Cardiff

Thanks

Tonight’s early allocations show

HD01 67008
1V91 05:27 Holyhead Cardiff
1W57 10:53 Cardiff Manchester
1V46 14:30 Manchester Cardiff
1W65 18:53 Cardiff Manchester

HD03 67022
1W13 05:43 Swansea Manchester
1V39 10:30 Manchester Cardiff
1W96 17:22 Cardiff Holyhead

UNIT
1V31 04:27 Crewe Cardiff (via Wrx)
1W55 08:53 Cardiff Manchester
1V42 12:30 Manchester Cardiff
1W63 16:53 Cardiff Manchester

HD06 67017
1W11 04:33 Cardiff Manchester
1V37 08:30 Manchester Cardiff
1W59 12:53 Cardiff Manchester
1V50 16:30 Manchester Cardiff

HD07 67020
1V33 06:27 Manchester Cardiff
1W61 14:53 Cardiff Manchester
1V62 18:30 Manchester Cardiff

Two Cardiff starts will be HD06 & 67017, and HD03 & 67022 but not allocated on the system yet, they’re normally done a lot later than the other depots though.

Edited 22:50 with complete allox

 

[37052 xb mr]

Tonight’s early allocations show

HD01 67008
1V91 05:27 Holyhead Cardiff
1W57 10:53 Cardiff Manchester
1V46 14:30 Manchester Cardiff
1W65 18:53 Cardiff Manchester

HD05 67016
1V31 04:27 Crewe Cardiff (via Wrx)
1W55 08:53 Cardiff Manchester
1V42 12:30 Manchester Cardiff
1W63 16:53 Cardiff Manchester

HD07 67020
1V33 06:27 Manchester Cardiff
1W61 14:53 Cardiff Manchester
1V62 18:30 Manchester Cardiff

Two Cardiff starts will be HD06 & 67017, and HD03 & 67022 but not allocated on the system yet, they’re normally done a lot later than the other depots though. Will update in the morn to complete the post.

Thank you

 

[sd0733]

Two Cardiff starts will be HD06 & 67017, and HD03 & 67022 but not allocated on the system yet, they’re normally done a lot later than the other depots though. Will update in the morn to complete the popost

Tomorrow's plan-
HD01 as above 1V91 etc
HD02 stabled at Crewe, 67010 return to it
HD03 1W13 1V39 1W96
HD04 ECS to ETD for tyre turning (possibly return to ATC in the evening)
HD05 as above 1V31 etc
HD06 1W11 1V37 1W59 1V50
HD07 as above 1v33 start