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Which begs another question. Why would a new fleet addition, as a unit marked as a new concept, not be fit for service and require several months of work by the TOC to make it fit for service? Whoever agreed to take on these and not ensure that Porterbrook had them fit for service should have some serious questions to answer.
TfW Rail (Keolis Amey) inherited the 769 order at the W&B franchise award in June 2018. A deal was done between Welsh Govt and Arriva TW to order the 769s in July 2017, with the 769s expected to enter service with ATW before they left the franchise
It doesn't matter who ordered them. What matters is Porterbrook have sold ATW/WG/TfW a bunch of old age dogs with their own issues before they even started making the diesel engine mods. Surely it should be a leasing companies responsibility to complete full and heavy checks to know the exact quality of the unit and what, if anything needs doing.
The units should have been brought up to standard fit for service before going to the TOC, but there's been several issues with some of the units which had nothing to do with the diesel engine mods. You would never take on a new/second hand car without knowing it's faults and if you did you would be fully liable for dealing with those faults with full transparency as to what you are buying, something it seems TfW didn't have.
So either TfW have had the wool pulled over their eyes, or they have (stupidly) agreed to take them on without knowing the exact issues they come with.
TfW Rail (Keolis Amey) inherited the 769 order at the W&B franchise award in June 2018. A deal was done between Welsh Govt and Arriva TW to order the 769s in July 2017, with the 769s expected to enter service with ATW before they left the franchise
Exactly, so why would ATW take them on with the intention of getting them into service prior to the Franchise ending knowing there would be issues with them or not even checking the condition of them and adding a quality/reliability clause during the procurement process?
ATW ordered them because it was either these or order some 230's. Either way they needed some extra DMUs in a short space of time and this was all that was available. The problem was this was a project that looked great on paper but it just didn't work out.
Well Chris Grayling was UK Govt Transport Secretary at the time and was a champion of the 769 project.......
I guess the name 'Chris Grayling' being involved tells us all we need to know.
There are two diagrams for Saturdays similar to weekdays but, in practice, they don't seem to turn out for them. They are still in a semi testing/training mode which does not normally take place at weekends.
There are two diagrams for Saturdays similar to weekdays but, in practice, they don't seem to turn out for them. They are still in a semi testing/training mode which does not normally take place at weekends.
I have seen SO diagrams CF204 (start 0702 ex RHY) and CF205 (start 0606 CDF to PEN) operative from 13/12/20 to 09/05/21 which had been obtained in a reply to a FOI Request (not by me). I did say they are not operating in practice.
How many TfW 769s are currently in fully serviceable, fit and passed for passenger service condition on a daily basis, and how many are currently actually in passenger service on a daily basis?
How many TfW 769s are currently in fully serviceable, fit and passed for passenger service condition on a daily basis, and how many are currently actually in passenger service on a daily basis?
How many TfW 769s are currently in fully serviceable, fit and passed for passenger service condition on a daily basis, and how many are currently actually in passenger service on a daily basis?
I think that six have been out in passenger service, the daily requirement being 2 in passenger service and 2 for training but it seems that doesn't happen much of the time. .
I've done a few rides from Cardiff to Caerphilly recently and logged some max speeds. The 769 driver really seemed to be going for it. The best run I've had so far. I'm surprised that the 143+150 was slower than the 143+153; it was the same 143 both times.
143+153
Max speed Heath to Llanishen 44 mph
Max speed Llanishen to Livane & Thornhill 40 mph
Speed entering Caerphilly tunnel 39 mph
143+150
Max speed Heath to Llanishen 42 mph
Max speed Llanishen to Livane & Thornhill 38 mph
Speed entering Caerphilly tunnel 37 mph
Time taken to go through tunnel 1:28
769
Max speed Heath to Llanishen 38 mph
Max speed Llanishen to Livane & Thornhill 34 mph
Speed enetring Caerphilly tunnel 35 mph
Time taken to go through tunnel 1:35
Sorry to be a pain as this has probably been posted/answered before. Can someone please confirm what the Monday - Friday passenger service 769 diagrams are?
I'd appreciate the actual times at Penarth and Cardiff rather than headcodes.
Sorry to be a pain as this has probably been posted/answered before. Can someone please confirm what the Monday - Friday passenger service 769 diagrams are?
I'd appreciate the actual times at Penarth and Cardiff rather than headcodes.
A. 0702 Rhymney to Penarth (Cardiff 0812)
0833 Penarth to Rhymney
then three hourly until 1902 Rhymney to Cardiff Cen.
Canton for fuel
2148 Cardiff Cen to Rhymney
B 0606 Cardiff Cen to Penarth
0633 Penarth to Rhymney (Cardiff 0650)
0802 Rhymney to Penarth (Cardiff 0912)
then three hourly until 1702 Rhymney to Cardiff Cen
A. 0702 Rhymney to Penarth (Cardiff 0812)
0833 Penarth to Rhymney
then three hourly until 1902 Rhymney to Cardiff Cen.
Canton for fuel
2148 Cardiff Cen to Rhymney
B 0606 Cardiff Cen to Penarth
0633 Penarth to Rhymney (Cardiff 0650)
0802 Rhymney to Penarth (Cardiff 0912)
then three hourly until 1702 Rhymney to Cardiff Cen
57305 and 57312 transferred something from Canton to the road loading point at Cardiff Brickyard this morning, anyone know what was moved please? At a guess, the misformed 769426 perhaps.
Managed to time several runs with 150/769 today,between Queen St and Lisvane.Sustained balancing speed for both classes on the1/80 gradient(around about where the railway crosses the Eastern Avenue A48) was53-54 mph.Running times were pretty similar about eight and three quarter minutes.Driver confidence seems to have grown with very similar starts.Balancing speed of a 150 on the 1/50 from Cogan Jnc toDingle road is about 33 m.p.h. it will interesting to see what a769 will achieve.Life without Pacers has to be better!
Managed to time several runs with 150/769 today,between Queen St and Lisvane.Sustained balancing speed for both classes on the1/80 gradient(around about where the railway crosses the Eastern Avenue A48) was53-54 mph.Running times were pretty similar about eight and three quarter minutes.Driver confidence seems to have grown with very similar starts.Balancing speed of a 150 on the 1/50 from Cogan Jnc toDingle road is about 33 m.p.h. it will interesting to see what a769 will achieve.Life without Pacers has to be better!
I agree that the drivers are hammering the 769s now. From my observations, the old DMUs still slightly have the edge. Pacers have the best power to weight ratio, 153s the worst.
Another bonus for people living near the railway is the relative lack of noise and the distint lack of diesel fumes compared to the lingering smell of the 150/pacers
Guessing everyone missed 769452 in passenger service Friday!!! It will be back on Monday on a 3rd passenger diagram working Penarth - Bargoed services.
Guessing everyone missed 769452 in passenger service Friday!!! It will be back on Monday on a 3rd passenger diagram working Penarth - Bargoed services.
5P07 0644 Rhymney Sidings to Rhymney
2P07 0702 Rhymney to Penarth
2R08 0833 Penarth to Rhymney
2P10 1002 Rhymney to Penarth
2R11 1133 Penarth to Rhymney
2P13 1302 Rhymney to Penarth
2R14 1433 Penarth to Rhymney
2P16 1602 Rhymney to Penarth
2R17 1733 Penarth to Rhymney
2P19 1902 Rhymney to Penarth
2R20 2033 Penarth to Rhymney
5P55 0615 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Cardiff Central
2P55 0640 Cardiff Central to Penarth
2D07 0707 Penarth to Bargoed
2P58 0846 Bargoed to Penarth
2D10 1007 Penarth to Bargoed
2P61 1146 Bargoed to Penarth
2D13 1307 Penarth to Bargoed
2P64 1446 Bargoed to Penarth
2D16 1607 Penarth to Bargoed
2P67 1746 Bargoed to Penarth
2D19 1907 Penarth to Bargoed
2P70 2046 Bargoed to Penarth
2F22 2207 Penarth to Cardiff Central
5F22 2225 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Canton Sidings
5P07 0644 Rhymney Sidings to Rhymney
2P07 0702 Rhymney to Penarth
2R08 0833 Penarth to Rhymney
2P10 1002 Rhymney to Penarth
2R11 1133 Penarth to Rhymney
2P13 1302 Rhymney to Penarth
2R14 1433 Penarth to Rhymney
2P16 1602 Rhymney to Penarth
2R17 1733 Penarth to Rhymney
2P19 1902 Rhymney to Penarth
2R20 2033 Penarth to Rhymney
5P55 0615 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Cardiff Central
2P55 0640 Cardiff Central to Penarth
2D07 0707 Penarth to Bargoed
2P58 0846 Bargoed to Penarth
2D10 1007 Penarth to Bargoed
2P61 1146 Bargoed to Penarth
2D13 1307 Penarth to Bargoed
2P64 1446 Bargoed to Penarth
2D16 1607 Penarth to Bargoed
2P67 1746 Bargoed to Penarth
2D19 1907 Penarth to Bargoed
2P70 2046 Bargoed to Penarth
2F22 2207 Penarth to Cardiff Central
5F22 2225 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Canton Sidings
(1) After 5F21 works 5P20 21+12 Canton Sidings to Cardiff Cen, 2P20 2112 Cardiff Cen to Penarth and 2R21 2132 Penarth to Rhymney
(2) After 2R20 works 2202 Rhymney to Cardiff Cen
(1) After 5F21 works 5P20 21+12 Canton Sidings to Cardiff Cen, 2P20 2112 Cardiff Cen to Penarth and 2R21 2132 Penarth to Rhymney
(2) After 2R20 works 2202 Rhymney to Cardiff Cen
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769452 working the 2P16 on Friday