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Thanks to @TheGrandWazoo for another informative report. Yes I do recommend travelling on dry and sunny days but I know I am lucky in being able to do this!

The 178/522 is bizarre really. I had a trip planned on the 178 and was disappointed to see it being withdrawn leaving several villages without a service. Then suddenly we have the 522. I understand that BSIP money couldn’t be spent propping up existing services but how much custom was permanently lost by having no service for a period?

I did Severn Beach last autumn and it is a peculiarly detached place. I did it the other way round because the connection from the train to the bus isn’t quite as long, oddly the train spends ages there and as I recall it left just before the bus came. Good views of the Severn on a sunny day but in miserable rain it’s not so attractive!
 
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Today (Monday 31st July 2023) I made a three - that became four - leg circular trip on Stagecoach South (Alton - Petersfield - Winchester - Alton) to kill some time on an otherwise miserable day off work, and covering some infrequent countryside routes I've wanted to do for a while but never got around to. I got to Alton High Street stops A/B, in Hampshire, around ten minutes prior to my first bus. I watched ALX400-bodied Trident 18517 (NDZ 3017, formerly GX06 DXR) from Guildford Peasmarsh depot leave on the 0955 65 to Guildford, followed soon after by sister Trident 18519 (NDZ 3019, formerly GX06 DXT) passing by on the Alton town circular 9. This departed from the more discreet Stop C a short distance up the road, however the driver did appear to be looking for any passengers at A/B as he passed. Neither route requires a decker in the holidays, but during term time the near-hourly 65 carries school/college flows and the limited 9 (five journeys on weekdays between 1000-1220) is sandwiched between college routes so the daytime journeys are often deckers. Aldershot depot in particular seems to keep the Tridents active in the holidays with them often cropping up, sometimes on routes that rarely see deckers such as the 4/5 Aldershot to Farnham locals. My bus pulled in on time at 1004.

#1 - 38 1000 Alton to Petersfield (1100)
Enviro 200MMC - 26164 (SN67 WWJ)
Stagecoach South (Portsmouth depot)
8 passengers, max 7 at once


This is another route that usually sees deckers due to college loadings (tending to be Coastliner buses branded for the Portsmouth to Chichester route 700) but, unlike the 9 and 65, saloons are common on the 38 outside of term time. Timings are primarily arranged around school and college flows, with daytime infill journeys catering for some shopping opportunities. It used to be a lot more frequent, with journeys continuing to Havant as route 37. Five of us boarded our 67-reg beachball liveried Enviro 200MMC, with one already on board who was soon traded for a new passenger at Alton Sainsbury’s. We then proceeded past the community hospital and recently built leisure centre, through the tight village of Chawton (where the bus stop directly outside author Jane Austen’s house was obstructed by a Porsche which was a squeeze to pass) and out into the countryside. Having only slowed since Alton Sainsbury’s for junctions and the Porsche, some very spirited running continued past the purple lavender fields along the B3006 Selborne Road, through the tight eponymous village, before diverting up into Greatham village and passing the down-in-the-dumps looking military facility at Longmoor where we finally stopped to pick up another passenger, making seven on board now. We wait time here as, despite the spirited running, we are only a minute or two early. The boarding passenger commented to the driver about being on time, and looking at recent BusTimes.org tracking it would appear the spirited running is needed to meet the timetable - especially if you've had to stop for any passengers unlike us!

We continue through Liss Forest, across a level crossing over the Waterloo to Portsmouth ‘Direct’ railway line, into Liss itself where we drop off our young Alton Sainsbury’s shopper. We have arrived here around three minutes early, with timings seemingly not requiring as much ‘effort’ along this stretch as we have become a bit more sedate now. This low and steady pace continues for the remainder of our trip into Petersfield, entering the town through the residential “Moggs Mead”. The town centre is served on time at 1058, with four alighting, with myself and the remaining passenger continuing the extra minute to the railway station where we arrived a minute early. I’d say two thirds were concessions and a third farepayers. Overall the bus itself was a smooth ride (as much as road surface and earlier 'spirited' conditions allowed) and not too rattly for an Enviro. The station is a two platform affair with level crossing and signal box at one end, although I believe the latter is on borrowed time soon to be wiped out by the ongoing resignalling scheme. It’s a 52 minute wait for my next bus so I peruse the vicinity including the station where I see a 450 arrive en route to Portsmouth, although the station bus and train display shows ‘Buses from the forecourt’ bound for London Waterloo only and the train column empty, so I think something has gone a bit awry with that system! I then walk the 10-15 minutes round the corner to Petersfield Tesco where my next bus actually starts its journey from, some seven minutes before it reaches the railway station.

#2 - 67 1145 Petersfield to Winchester (1301)
Enviro 200MMC - 37422 (YX65 PYY)
Stagecoach South (Winchester depot)
11 passengers, max 7 at once


The 67 is another route that used to be more frequent but now survives as a reduced school/college flow route, however it does offer slightly more than the 38 in terms of "other" journey opportunities. This has been reflected in the not too distant past where - from memory - Stagecoach took on some college day Winchester to West Meon Hut journeys commercially, with independent Xelabus operating contracted journeys beyond there to/from Petersfield and days outside of term time. Through passengers on college days had to change buses in a layby, hoping that connections would be met. A new timetable started today (and on display at Tesco) which saw the Saturday 0725 Petersfield to Winchester and Mon-Sat 1750 Winchester to Petersfield journeys both withdrawn over the Petersfield to West Meon Hut section. At 1138, Enviro 200 36828 (GX62 BDV) pulled in with the 1130 Petersfield Station to Havant route 37 to Havant, albeit wearing pink branding advertising the every 12 min Havant & Waterlooville route 39, which in reality appears to be every 15 min frequency now - not a rare bit out outdated branding within the Stagecoach South area. My bus was due at 1136 to depart at 1145, however Enviro 200MMC 37422 (YX65 PYY) in the new local livery arrives at departure time, with the driver boarding me then getting out to make a phone call. It appears an inbound passenger has told him a road closure at West Meon has reopened and he was querying this with the office for the return journey. We therefore left a few minutes late with only me on board, but picking up four in Petersfield town centre and a further two at the railway station. With seven on board, we drop two off on the outskirts of town.

As the journey progresses along some narrow country roads, regularly having to slow suddenly to pass vehicles between bursts of power, it appears this 65-plate has possibly had a harder life than our previous two year younger 67-plate, with it being full of what I’d personally consider more than the usual “ADL rattles”, accompanied by a certain ‘scream’ sound at times. Having departed Petersfield Tesco three mins late and proceeding non stop along the A272, we leave dive off at Langrish onto narrow roads to arrive in East Meon two late. One assumes the office told the driver to stick with the diversion as, instead of continuing to West Meon village, we reverse into Church Street to retrace our steps back to Langrish and turn left back onto the A272 Winchester Road. This takes us off-route through Bordean direct to West Meon Hut, avoiding West Meon village itself. The driver appears to enjoy driving this stretch of single carriageway road, which is wider than the usual route allowing a bit of speed through long winding curves bordered by nothing but fields and hedgerows. Having had to double-back earlier but the diversion avoiding West Meon village, we pass West Meon Hut just two mins late. Nearly 25 mins after dropping off our last passenger on the outskirts of Petersfield at 1059, all five of us remaining have made it to Bramdean before another passenger joins us. After passing the Hinton Ampner National Trust property, one of the Petersfield town centre boarders leaves at the next village of Cheriton, with its narrow approach over a stream and the need for the driver to carefully edge inches from a high brick retaining wall and aid hedge trimming. As we leave Cheriton a young male boards bringing us back up to 6. The driver takes this opportunity to readjust his nearside mirror, and a quick check of the duty card shows him we are now on time.

New Alresford is the only intermediate settlement of any real size along the 67’s hour and a quarter length, however there is no real way to serve the main central stops due to the road layout without making a lengthy double run. Our Bramdean joiner therefore alights at the top of Jacklyns Lane. Here we also spy a maroon, cream and orange Optare Solo of local independent operator Cresta Coaches, hiding in the entrance of Perins School during its lunchtime layover between journeys on Alresford to Ropley local route 240, which runs Mondays and Thursdays only. Alresford is the terminus of the preserved Mid-Hants Railway ‘Watercress Line’. South Western Railway services operate between London Waterloo and Alton, from where heritage steam and diesel trains run for 10 miles to Alresford. The missing stretch of mainline Alton - Four Marks - Ropley - Alresford - Winchester is today served by the successful Stagecoach 64 which now runs half-hourly seven days a week following various frequency enhancements over the years. The 64 runs direct between Alresford and Winchester though, where as the Alresford to Winchester railway ran via the small village of Itchen Abbas. This is where the 67 steps in, running via this slightly longer but more country road route (27 mins on the 67 vs 20 mins on the 64 along the dual-carriageway A31). In Itchen Abbas we pick up a passenger to replace the Alresford leaver, so still six on board. In Kings Worthy we make another pick up, bringing us back to our 7 maximum on board at one time - as was also he case on the 38. Can we beat it? We reach a hill and the engine seemingly cuts out, so the driver brings us to a controlled stop. After a bit of fiddling we are back on the move, albeit two mins late. We arrive at Winchester bus station one minute late at 1302. Overall we’d had a fair split of concessions and farepayers, with two concessions and two younger farepayers travelling all the way from Petersfield to Winchester.

#3 - 67 1320 Winchester to New Alresford (1301)
Enviro 200MMC - 37422 (YX65 PYY)
Stagecoach South (Winchester depot)
6 passengers, max 5 at once


I had intended to catch the 1315 Winchester to Alton route 64, which takes the aforementioned direct route out of Winchester to New Alresford, then shadows the Watercress Line back to Alton, arriving at Alton station 1405. The route appeared at this point to be in the hands of two of the branded Enviro 400MMC deckers, an ALX400 Trident decker, and an Enviro 200 saloon. The saloon was on the 1315 journey... I therefore decided to sack this off and raid the Reeve's Bakery instead. With the day's constant drizzle seeming to be well set in, rather than wait half hour in Winchester I instead caught 37422 (YX65 PYY) again on the 1320 67, where it was due to arrive at Ladycroft Crossroads on the edge of New Alresford at 1346. I would then wait there for just over ten minutes to catch the next 64 at 1359, which would get me into Alton just after 1430. The driver only arrived at the bus at 1320, so by the time he was set up we left five late. Five of us boarded, with one jumping off in the shopping area where another boarded. We lost two in Kings Worthy and one in Itchen Abbas, leaving myself and one concession on board when I alighted on the outskirts of New Alresford three mins late. I knew where to get off thanks to the next stop display and announcements functioning, unlike the previous two journeys. I’d say this was a fairly even split of concessions and farepayers.

#4 - 64 1359 New Alresford to Alton (1405)
Enviro 400MMC - 10890 (YX67 VCC)
Stagecoach South (Winchester depot, from Farringdon outstation this morning)
Approx 30-35 passengers, approx 20 at once


With ten minutes to wait at a bus stop which was starting to be strangled by the roadside shrubbery, I see local liveried and route 64 branded Enviro 400MMC 10891 (YX67 VCD) splashing its way past in the Winchester direction. My ride is in the hands of sister branded 10890 (YX67 VCC) which trundles down the hill on time. Although the Petersfield-bound 67 does stop at stops on the opposite side of a road in New Alresford to the Alton-bound 64, and closer to the shops, I opted for this stop served by both routes on the outskirts of the village to take in the diversion into the residential area of Alresford that the 64 makes before it reaches the village centre. It also meant if there was a group boarding - or indeed alighting - in Alresford centre, I might get a better choice of seat.

There were probably around 20 on board, split fairly evenly between upper and lower decks, and maybe two thirds fare payers and a third concessions. This bus also had functioning next stop displays and announcements, making a 50% success rate across the three vehicles over four journeys. We stopped to drop off at most stops through New Alresford's main residential area, with what appeared to be mainly people returning from school holiday leisure time in Winchester. In the charming village centre of New Alresford, we replaced some of these passengers with a family and a number of individuals. Leaving the village, double deck buses have to pass under the Watercress Line at an angle which takes them into the path of approaching traffic due to the shape/angle of the arched bridge. We are soon onto the A31, along which we pass the Winchester-bound Trident near to the preserved Ropley Station approach road, and which we follow through the gradually expanding village of Four Marks all the way to the Chawton Roundabout on the outskirts of Alton. Here we deviate to take in the Sports Centre and Community Hospital, as per our 38 earlier, and continue to retrace our steps under the tall - and recently rebuilt - ‘The Butts’ Mid-Hants Railway bridge with its prominent Watercress Line banners alongside. The bridge was rebuilt around 2018/2019 alongside major changes to the road layout below, with there being some controversy locally with the demolition of the brick arch and replacement with a steel span. This included graffiti at the time with the year of its construction and ‘LSWR’, alongside the year of its demolition and the word ‘Vandals’. Personally I don’t think the overall structure is that bad, however I might’ve painted it a dark green to contrast the brickwork and look a bit more welcoming as one of the two main gateways into the town, rather than leaving it in what just looks like a rusty orange/brown colour. We arrive into Alton on time - as we have been most of the way - with a couple alighting and one boarding near the Sports Centre. Around seven of us alight in the town centre, with five (plus two boarding) continuing onwards towards the railway station.

Opposite is route 700 'Coastliner' yellow distance liveried Enviro 300 saloon 27653 (GX10 KZF) on layover waiting to work the 1440 Alton to Guildford route 65 journey. This is once of a few I believe being displaced from the south coast and now residing at Guildford's two depots, most regularly seen on Enviro 300 routes 34/35 (Guildford - Woking - Camberley) and 91 (Woking - Goldsworth Park - Knaphill). Others include 27650/4 (GX10 KZC/G). As mentioned earlier, the yellow and previous beachball Coastliner liveries aren't strangers to Alton, with Portsmouth depot regularly putting them on the 38 during Alton College term times. Alton is an interesting place with its most local Stagecoach premises being an outstation in Farringdon only handling a couple of vehicles these days for the 64 and Peter Symonds College 64X. It's actually five other Stagecoach depots further afield that operate most routes through the town, including their own town circular route. These are Aldershot (9/65X), Basingstoke (13), Guildford-Peasmarsh (65), Portsmouth-Farlington (38/38X) and Winchester (64). Local independent operator Cresta Coaches also run contracted Tue/Fri 206/208 circular routes which link local villages with Alton town centre three times each day, as well as commercial afternoon 664 Eggars School - Alton - Sports Centre school route withdrawn by Stagecoach earlier this year (Stagecoach continue to operate this section in the morning but no afternoon return). Coincidentally though, BusTimes.org tracking suggests my bus was actually one of the Farringdon outstation starters this morning, having left there around 0630 and first working the 0633 Alton to Winchester route 64. It arrived at Farringdon yesterday (Sunday 30th July) around 1750, after working the 1650 Winchester to Alton route 64 (arrive 1738).

The three images below show the lavender fields near Selborne, Petersfield departure board displaying trains where buses should be, a South Western Railway Desiro arriving over the level crossing past the signal box, and a Cancer Research UK liveried pink Enviro 400 classic style pulling under the iconic Winchester Bus Station sign.

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Today I made a three - that became four - leg circular trip on Stagecoach South (Alton - Petersfield - Winchester - Alton) to kill some time on an otherwise miserable day off work, and covering some infrequent countryside routes I've wanted to do for a while but never got around to. I got to Alton High Street stops A/B, in Hampshire, around ten minutes prior to my first bus. I watched ALX400-bodied Trident 18517 (NDZ 3017, formerly GX06 DXR) from Guildford Peasmarsh depot leave on the 0955 65 to Guildford, followed soon after by sister Trident 18519 (NDZ 3019, formerly GX06 DXT) passing by on the Alton town circular 9. This departed from the more discreet Stop C a short distance up the road, however the driver did appear to be looking for any passengers at A/B as he passed. Neither route requires a decker in the holidays, but during term time the near-hourly 65 carries school/college flows and the limited 9 (five journeys on weekdays between 1000-1220) is sandwiched between college routes so the daytime journeys are often deckers. Aldershot depot in particular seems to keep the Tridents active in the holidays with them often cropping up, sometimes on routes that rarely see deckers such as the 4/5 Aldershot to Farnham locals. My bus pulled in on time at 1004.

#1 - 38 1000 Alton to Petersfield (1100)
Enviro 200MMC - 26164 (SN67 WWJ)
Stagecoach South (Portsmouth depot)
8 passengers, max 7 at once


This is another route that usually sees deckers due to college loadings (tending to be Coastliner buses branded for the Portsmouth to Chichester route 700) but, unlike the 9 and 65, saloons are common on the 38 outside of term time. Timings are primarily arranged around school and college flows, with daytime infill journeys catering for some shopping opportunities. It used to be a lot more frequent, with journeys continuing to Havant as route 37. Five of us boarded our 67-reg beachball liveried Enviro 200MMC, with one already on board who was soon traded for a new passenger at Alton Sainsbury’s. We then proceeded past the community hospital and recently built leisure centre, through the tight village of Chawton (where the bus stop directly outside author Jane Austen’s house was obstructed by a Porsche which was a squeeze to pass) and out into the countryside. Having only slowed since Alton Sainsbury’s for junctions and the Porsche, some very spirited running continued past the purple lavender fields along the B3006 Selborne Road, through the tight eponymous village, before diverting up into Greatham village and passing the down-in-the-dumps looking military facility at Longmoor where we finally stopped to pick up another passenger, making seven on board now. We wait time here as, despite the spirited running, we are only a minute or two early. The boarding passenger commented to the driver about being on time, and looking at recent BusTimes.org tracking it would appear the spirited running is needed to meet the timetable - especially if you've had to stop for any passengers unlike us!

We continue through Liss Forest, across a level crossing over the Waterloo to Portsmouth ‘Direct’ railway line, into Liss itself where we drop off our young Alton Sainsbury’s shopper. We have arrived here around three minutes early, with timings seemingly not requiring as much ‘effort’ along this stretch as we have become a bit more sedate now. This low and steady pace continues for the remainder of our trip into Petersfield, entering the town through the residential “Moggs Mead”. The town centre is served on time at 1058, with four alighting, with myself and the remaining passenger continuing the extra minute to the railway station where we arrived a minute early. I’d say two thirds were concessions and a third farepayers. Overall the bus itself was a smooth ride (as much as road surface and earlier 'spirited' conditions allowed) and not too rattly for an Enviro. The station is a two platform affair with level crossing and signal box at one end, although I believe the latter is on borrowed time soon to be wiped out by the ongoing resignalling scheme. It’s a 52 minute wait for my next bus so I peruse the vicinity including the station where I see a 450 arrive en route to Portsmouth, although the station bus and train display shows ‘Buses from the forecourt’ bound for London Waterloo only and the train column empty, so I think something has gone a bit awry with that system! I then walk the 10-15 minutes round the corner to Petersfield Tesco where my next bus actually starts its journey from, some seven minutes before it reaches the railway station.

#2 - 67 1145 Petersfield to Winchester (1301)
Enviro 200MMC - 37422 (YX65 PYY)
Stagecoach South (Winchester depot)
11 passengers, max 7 at once


The 67 is another route that used to be more frequent but now survives as a reduced school/college flow route, however it does offer slightly more than the 38 in terms of "other" journey opportunities. This has been reflected in the not too distant past where - from memory - Stagecoach took on some college day Winchester to West Meon Hut journeys commercially, with independent Xelabus operating contracted journeys beyond there to/from Petersfield and days outside of term time. Through passengers on college days had to change buses in a layby, hoping that connections would be met. A new timetable started today (and on display at Tesco) which saw the Saturday 0725 Petersfield to Winchester and Mon-Sat 1750 Winchester to Petersfield journeys both withdrawn over the Petersfield to West Meon Hut section. At 1138, Enviro 200 36828 (GX62 BDV) pulled in with the 1130 Petersfield Station to Havant route 37 to Havant, albeit wearing pink branding advertising the every 12 min Havant & Waterlooville route 39, which in reality appears to be every 15 min frequency now - not a rare bit out outdated branding within the Stagecoach South area. My bus was due at 1136 to depart at 1145, however Enviro 200MMC 37422 (YX65 PYY) in the new local livery arrives at departure time, with the driver boarding me then getting out to make a phone call. It appears an inbound passenger has told him a road closure at West Meon has reopened and he was querying this with the office for the return journey. We therefore left a few minutes late with only me on board, but picking up four in Petersfield town centre and a further two at the railway station. With seven on board, we drop two off on the outskirts of town.

As the journey progresses along some narrow country roads, regularly having to slow suddenly to pass vehicles between bursts of power, it appears this 65-plate has possibly had a harder life than our previous two year younger 67-plate, with it being full of what I’d personally consider more than the usual “ADL rattles”, accompanied by a certain ‘scream’ sound at times. Having departed Petersfield Tesco three mins late and proceeding non stop along the A272, we leave dive off at Langrish onto narrow roads to arrive in East Meon two late. One assumes the office told the driver to stick with the diversion as, instead of continuing to West Meon village, we reverse into Church Street to retrace our steps back to Langrish and turn left back onto the A272 Winchester Road. This takes us off-route through Bordean direct to West Meon Hut, avoiding West Meon village itself. The driver appears to enjoy driving this stretch of single carriageway road, which is wider than the usual route allowing a bit of speed through long winding curves bordered by nothing but fields and hedgerows. Having had to double-back earlier but the diversion avoiding West Meon village, we pass West Meon Hut just two mins late. Nearly 25 mins after dropping off our last passenger on the outskirts of Petersfield at 1059, all five of us remaining have made it to Bramdean before another passenger joins us. After passing the Hinton Ampner National Trust property, one of the Petersfield town centre boarders leaves at the next village of Cheriton, with its narrow approach over a stream and the need for the driver to carefully edge inches from a high brick retaining wall and aid hedge trimming. As we leave Cheriton a young male boards bringing us back up to 6. The driver takes this opportunity to readjust his nearside mirror, and a quick check of the duty card shows him we are now on time.

New Alresford is the only intermediate settlement of any real size along the 67’s hour and a quarter length, however there is no real way to serve the main central stops due to the road layout without making a lengthy double run. Our Bramdean joiner therefore alights at the top of Jacklyns Lane. Here we also spy a maroon, cream and orange Optare Solo of local independent operator Cresta Coaches, hiding in the entrance of Perins School during its lunchtime layover between journeys on Alresford to Ropley local route 240, which runs Mondays and Thursdays only. Alresford is the terminus of the preserved Mid-Hants Railway ‘Watercress Line’. South Western Railway services operate between London Waterloo and Alton, from where heritage steam and diesel trains run for 10 miles to Alresford. The missing stretch of mainline Alton - Four Marks - Ropley - Alresford - Winchester is today served by the successful Stagecoach 64 which now runs half-hourly seven days a week following various frequency enhancements over the years. The 64 runs direct between Alresford and Winchester though, where as the Alresford to Winchester railway ran via the small village of Itchen Abbas. This is where the 67 steps in, running via this slightly longer but more country road route (27 mins on the 67 vs 20 mins on the 64 along the dual-carriageway A31). In Itchen Abbas we pick up a passenger to replace the Alresford leaver, so still six on board. In Kings Worthy we make another pick up, bringing us back to our 7 maximum on board at one time - as was also he case on the 38. Can we beat it? We reach a hill and the engine seemingly cuts out, so the driver brings us to a controlled stop. After a bit of fiddling we are back on the move, albeit two mins late. We arrive at Winchester bus station one minute late at 1302. Overall we’d had a fair split of concessions and farepayers, with two concessions and two younger farepayers travelling all the way from Petersfield to Winchester.

#3 - 67 1320 Winchester to New Alresford (1301)
Enviro 200MMC - 37422 (YX65 PYY)
Stagecoach South (Winchester depot)
6 passengers, max 5 at once


I had intended to catch the 1315 Winchester to Alton route 64, which takes the aforementioned direct route out of Winchester to New Alresford, then shadows the Watercress Line back to Alton, arriving at Alton station 1405. The route appeared at this point to be in the hands of two of the branded Enviro 400MMC deckers, an ALX400 Trident decker, and an Enviro 200 saloon. The saloon was on the 1315 journey... I therefore decided to sack this off and raid the Reeve's Bakery instead. With the day's constant drizzle seeming to be well set in, rather than wait half hour in Winchester I instead caught 37422 (YX65 PYY) again on the 1320 67, where it was due to arrive at Ladycroft Crossroads on the edge of New Alresford at 1346. I would then wait there for just over ten minutes to catch the next 64 at 1359, which would get me into Alton just after 1430. The driver only arrived at the bus at 1320, so by the time he was set up we left five late. Five of us boarded, with one jumping off in the shopping area where another boarded. We lost two in Kings Worthy and one in Itchen Abbas, leaving myself and one concession on board when I alighted on the outskirts of New Alresford three mins late. I knew where to get off thanks to the next stop display and announcements functioning, unlike the previous two journeys. I’d say this was a fairly even split of concessions and farepayers.

#4 - 64 1359 New Alresford to Alton (1405)
Enviro 400MMC - 10890 (YX67 VCC)
Stagecoach South (Winchester depot)
Approx 30-35 passengers, approx 20 at once


With ten minutes to wait at a bus stop which was starting to be strangled by the roadside shrubbery, I see local liveried and route 64 branded Enviro 400MMC 10891 (YX67 VCD) splashing its way past in the Winchester direction. My ride is in the hands of sister branded 10890 (YX67 VCC) which trundles down the hill on time. Although the Petersfield-bound 67 does stop at stops on the opposite side of a road in New Alresford to the Alton-bound 64, and closer to the shops, I opted for this stop served by both routes on the outskirts of the village to take in the diversion into the residential area of Alresford that the 64 makes before it reaches the village centre. It also meant if there was a group boarding - or indeed alighting - in Alresford centre, I might get a better choice of seat.

There were probably around 20 on board, split fairly evenly between upper and lower decks, and maybe two thirds fare payers and a third concessions. This bus also had functioning next stop displays and announcements, making a 50% success rate across the three vehicles over four journeys. We stopped to drop off at most stops through New Alresford's main residential area, with what appeared to be mainly people returning from school holiday leisure time in Winchester. In the charming village centre of New Alresford, we replaced some of these passengers with a family and a number of individuals. Leaving the village, double deck buses have to pass under the Watercress Line at an angle which takes them into the path of approaching traffic due to the shape/angle of the arched bridge. We are soon onto the A31, along which we pass the Winchester-bound Trident near to the preserved Ropley Station approach road, and which we follow through the gradually expanding village of Four Marks all the way to the Chawton Roundabout on the outskirts of Alton. Here we deviate to take in the Sports Centre and Community Hospital, as per our 38 earlier, and continue to retrace our steps under the tall - and recently rebuilt - ‘The Butts’ Mid-Hants Railway bridge with its prominent Watercress Line banners alongside. The bridge was rebuilt around 2018/2019 alongside major changes to the road layout below, with there being some controversy locally with the demolition of the brick arch and replacement with a steel span. This included graffiti at the time with the year of its construction and ‘LSWR’, alongside the year of its demolition and the word ‘Vandals’. Personally I don’t think the overall structure is that bad, however I might’ve painted it a dark green to contrast the brickwork and look a bit more welcoming as one of the two main gateways into the town, rather than leaving it in what just looks like a rusty orange/brown colour. We arrive into Alton on time - as we have been most of the way - with a couple alighting and one boarding near the Sports Centre. Around seven of us alight in the town centre, with five (plus two boarding) continuing onwards towards the railway station.

Opposite is route 700 'Coastliner' yellow distance liveried Enviro 300 saloon 27653 (GX10 KZF) on layover waiting to work the 1440 Alton to Guildford route 65 journey. This is once of a few I believe being displaced from the south coast and now residing at Guildford's two depots, most regularly seen on Enviro 300 routes 34/35 (Guildford - Woking - Camberley) and 91 (Woking - Goldsworth Park - Knaphill). Others include 27650/4 (GX10 KZC/G). As mentioned earlier, the yellow and previous beachball Coastliner liveries aren't strangers to Alton, with Portsmouth depot regularly putting them on the 38 during Alton College term times. Alton is an interesting place with its most local Stagecoach premises being an outstation in Farringdon only handling a couple of vehicles these days for the 64 and Peter Symonds College 64X. It's actually five other Stagecoach depots further afield that operate most routes through the town, including their own town circular route. These are Aldershot (9/65X), Basingstoke (13), Guildford-Peasmarsh (65), Portsmouth-Farlington (38/38X) and Winchester (64). Local independent operator Cresta Coaches also run contracted Tue/Fri 206/208 circular routes which link local villages with Alton town centre three times each day, as well as commercial afternoon 664 Eggars School - Alton - Sports Centre school route withdrawn by Stagecoach earlier this year (Stagecoach continue to operate this section in the morning but no afternoon return).

The three images below show the Petersfield departure board displaying trains where buses should be, a South Western Railway Desiro arriving over the level crossing past the signal box, and the third shows a Cancer Research UK liveried pink Enviro 400 classic style pulling under the iconic Winchester Bus Station arch.

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Thanks for sharing your trip report, and especially some details on loadings. Interesting in these tough times to see how well patronised these routes are. Also, really descriptive in your route summaries; I can almost imagine the scenes. The comments about ADL rattles are telling; I think the e200mmcs are better than the original e200 but there can be some quite noticeable differences on vehicles of similar age. The 63 plate intake that Stagecoach had were shockers yet the following years' intake seemed better.

Now I know that @RELL6L will have been on all of those routes; however, they're all glaring omissions on my trips out so even better that you've shared them. I managed Alton just before Arriva exited Alton and did so from the North rather than heading South. Really appreciate your time and your photos; still can't get my head round buses going into Winchester bus station the wrong way :D
 

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Thanks for sharing your trip with us. I've been through the countryside around Petersfield and Midhurst but I haven't been to Alton yet. There's some real hidden gems in that area - both for villages and scenery. It is interesting hearing about how lightly or heavily loaded your routes have been. An average of low teens sounds about right for my region too.
 

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Thanks @Flange Squeal for your interesting report. A very pleasant area and some reasonable loadings. I particularly like Petersfield as a town and I agree Midhurst is worth a visit. Not really good bus territory except the 64, which is a good 'trunk' route covering a gap in rail territory, but college loadings are important. @TheGrandWazoo is right that I have covered all these routes in the past but I've not managed to stop off at New Alresford, that is worth doing as it is an attractive small town. I did them all on double deckers in term time.
 

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It's summer (apparently) so another trip out. I usually fit a trip into East Anglia and rare trips on First Eastern Counties (FEC) - 2021 was Excel and Coastlink, 2022 had Coastlink and a bit of Norwich city services, so this time I treated myself to a Norfolk Fusion ticket - the multi-operator ticket. So I parked the car at Ely station and caught a 720 (I think) to King's Lynn, carving our way through the Fens including Downham Market which has been restored to Network South East era. I had hoped that a sprint from train to bus station would enable me to catch an earlier bus but no, so I had a little time in KL. It was a busy and bright morning in King's Lynn bus station with lots of Lynx vehicles, the smart FEC Excel fleet, with some slightly scruffy GoToTown Streetlites and a rather faded Stagecoach e400 for Spalding.

I'd elected to travel along the coast and so it was a Lynx, the local operator run by experienced local bus manager Julian Patterson, that precipitated the exit of Stagecoach from the local scene (except the 505). One feature is that they've standardised a number of Optare Tempos from various sources, and it was a former TrentBarton example that took me to Hunstanton. The 34/35/36 take different routes and form a very impressive 15 min headway to Hunstanton, passing through various villages near Sandringham. One was Snettisham where there is a memorial to those who died in the 1953 North Sea Flood, demonstrating how far the inundation came. Loadings were quite good with plenty of concessions and also younger passengers. The Tempo was a little tired inside but perfectly fine. We arrived in Hunstanton as dark clouds began to mass, and into the bus station. The bus station is an oversized turning circle with two large shelters, and toilets, next to the boarded up former Library. TBH, they would be better off selling off the entire bus station/library site for flats - it really is overkill. The threatened rain duly arrived as I exited the Tempo so it was a quick run to a cafe and a sandwich/coffee. The heavy shower quickly passed, and I had time to explore Hunstanton (I've visited before) and the seafront where the station used to be. I then returned to the bus station and awaited the 36 Coastliner that runs from KL and (less than) sunny Hunny to Wells Next The Sea. Lynx has invested in 4 new e400mmc but the fifth board was mine and was operated by an e400 with a dateless plate that was new to Lloyds of Machynlleth in 2012. It has been superbly refurbished and carries its years well. The seats are fabric and e-leather as you'd get in a car and very comfortable. Slight gripe was the lack of USB charging - it's fitted to the MMCs apparently. We headed out along the cliff tops and then a rollicking and rolling run out along the coast, passing through some larger villages like Brancaster and the lovely Burnham Market as well as views across the salt marshes. Great views despite the odd shower, though I had sympathy for our driver and badly parked cars in Burnham before heading out on the open road as we parallel the old rail line. Very definitely recommended, and quite a few people using the coastal path were using the bus to complete their rambles.
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My e400 heads through Wells Next The Sea

We entered Wells and I got off at the harbourside. Oddly, the 36 is really the only bus that serves this busy part of the town, and after a short walk to take some snaps, I walked up through the town to find my next bus. Of course, the route here used to run throughout as the Coasthopper. Nowadays, Lynx get this far and then go inland to Fakenham whilst journeys East are now operated by Sanders Coaches who have invested in new B8RLEs for the route to Cromer. One of those was waiting time so I wandered on board. Sanders has invested in quite a bit of new fleet, mainly with these MCV boded B8s but in two lengths. The ones on Coasthopper are the shorter variant; this brings a challenge in that you need them that short for the tight bits of route such as Cley Next The Sea but the popularity of the service meant we had quite a number of times with standing passengers. Again, noticeable that a lot of walkers use the CH1 to explore the area. We fairly bombed along through places like Stiffkey (with its infamous vicar) and kept to time as I was concerned about a tight connection in Cromer. I need not have worried; my B8 was the 6A to North Walsham so I got off, saw the LED change and then reboarded! My observation of the MCV was that it was well built but a bit plasticky and despite the USB ports, it was a little basic but we shouldn't really complain too much about new vehicles on a seasonal route.


The two halves connected and two very welcome bits of investment

The 6A picked up quite a few late afternoon shoppers in Cromer town centre and we barrelled along to North Walsham. It was another tight connection but our driver said it was guaranteed (!) and there were quite a few, like me, who were looking to transfer at the North Walsham bus hub onto the X6. We arrived at NW bus hub and there were two other Sanders vehicles waiting time and indeed, the X6 was duly waiting; quite the rural little interchange. Like my earlier Tempo, this was another increasingly rare type with a former Reading Wright Solar, driven by a friendly West Indian guy who the regulars all knew. The X6 runs to Great Yarmouth supposedly as some form of express though it follows a very convoluted route in completing the 25 miles to Great Yarmouth. It's quite a bewildering route, serving a number of villages that aren't that connected by any other service. In that respect, it is a lifeline and provides some lovely views of the Broads. You get a loop into Stalham (where I considered diving off for Norwich), a double run at Potter Heigham where a very Partridge-esque family owned superstore exists, and then into Martham where the route becomes more urban as you head into Caister and then past the Art Deco bus depot and into Great Yarmouth. We even had a standoff between ourselves and an artic lorry at one pinchpoint.

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Connecting services (again) at North Walsham bus hub

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First Great Yarmouth depot

We arrived bang on time and I had the chance to use the McDonalds toilets, before taking in the dismal scene of Great Yarmouth town centre. Security guards at the 'spoons and McDonalds, litter blowing across the area, and a mix of workers going home and those on an early Friday bout of drinking as if in a Cold War Steve scene. My bus was the 18:00 X1 to Norwich, with a Coastlink e400 sat there waiting with a growing crowd of people. @RELL6L had mentioned this before but clearly there are some driver availability issues still in the area and our steed had no driver. Not great as headways on the Coastlink services drop appreciably in the evening. One driver, a buddy driver for a newly qualified recruit, was busy trying to sort out a replacement and, credit due, at 1820, a driver appeared. He seemed quite harassed (not the early Friday finish for him?) as he then took us to Norwich. I really like the journey out from Great Yarmouth with its views across the inland lagoon of the River Yare plus passing the sidings that still have the old Caley Sleeper carriages gently decaying. The e400s are great machines and this one was comfortable with superb marketing internally as well; FEC is perhaps one of the better First OpCos now that West and South West seem to have declined in recent years. We arrived still behind time and exited as the driver then dealt with the waiting crowd.

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A seasonal or short term reallocation from Ipswich - my e400 behind with the waiting crowd

Since last year, the centre of Norwich has been redeveloped with new bus stops and road layouts and I was able to find my final bus. It was a short hop to Norwich station on the RedLine 24 with a First B9 that had begun life in Leeds. This dropped me off about 5 or so mins later; I'd forgotten what an impressive building Norwich station is. A bunch of stag doers walked past dressed as jockeys (!) whilst a lot of people had clearly been to see Barbie, judging by the pinkness of their attire. I caught my train back to Ely; a FLIRT (I think) that provided a relaxing journey across the badlands of Norfolk, past Thetford Forest before depositing me back in Ely.

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Across the River Yare
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Arrival back into Ely


Observations... Lynx is a good operator. The fleet of Tempos are a bit long in the tooth but they clearly operate them professionally, and the e400s are a very smart addition. They do a lot right. I thought Sanders were a decent firm; perhaps less polished (no Best Impressions stuff there) but doing well on their North Norfolk routes and investing quite heavily in new fleet. First Eastern Counties are also a decent firm; despite the ex London purchases and some cascades, the expected influx of electric vehicles to Norwich is going to enable a change in the fleet that still has a healthy number of B7TLs in its ranks. The X11 late show was the only concerning moment and everything else ran to time. The Fusion ticket would be good value at £12 though less so with the fares cap in evidence. As I've noted before, it is quite something that evening frequencies decline markedly and a slight surprise that the new BSIP funding has gone on daytime enhancements e.g. 4 buses per hour to Wymondham goes to one every 70 mins.

The scenery is stunning from the desolation of the Fens, the salty air of the North Norfolk coast, the mirrored beauty of the Broads, and then the loveliness of Norwich. There's a lot to recommend; I'll be back next July!
 

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Thanks for another really interesting report from@TheGrandWazoo. Some really good places here. The trip is almost exactly the same as one of my very first trips in about 2005. Then it was Norfolk Green on the Coastliner, Solos I think, Sanders from Sheringham to Cromer and on from Cromer to Great Yarmouth (via North Walsham), then a very long single journey on a Leopard or Tiger from Yarmouth all the way through to Kings Lynn on whatever it was called then (X94 perhaps).

Lynx seems a really good operator. Great to see them investing in small batches of new deckers for the 36 and encouraging that they seem well used. The 36 today (Friday) is all deckers, 21-plate or newer, excluding the early short journeys. And they seem to have got the hang of running Tempos, out of 24 all but one was on the road today (Tuesday). Wells next the Sea is a really lovely little resort down by the sea where you took a photo from and great villages round about, it’s a shame the bus doesn’t go to the middle of Blakeney. I’ve also always liked Sanders Coaches and it’s good to see them investing too when one would imagine all of rural Norfolk is pretty patchy bus territory.

Yarmouth around the bus station I agree is rough but the area of South Quay alongside the River Yare is completely different. The X1/X11 seems a good service to Norwich, I’ve not done this since there was competition with Anglian, so is the Excel. Kings Lynn also has good some great architecture in the old parts and around the river. And I love Norwich.

Interesting to see your thoughts and compare with Suffolk, at the moment bus operations in Norfolk look much the better!

Just one picture to show the better side of Great Yarmouth - I have many others!

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Another few hours of Stagecoach South country-ish routes.

65: 0850 Alton to Farnham (0920)
ADL Enviro 200 (37275, SL64 HXK)
Stagecoach South, Guildford (Peasmarsh)
12 passengers, 12 at once


Once operated as part of a through Winchester - Alton - Guildford service, the Alton to Farnham half of this now split Alton to Guildford route has been threatened with withdrawal since around 2015. There was talk of this September (2023) halving the frequency to two-hourly end-to-end, requiring just one vehicle instead of two for today’s broadly hourly service. On the way out of Alton five of us - all farepayers I’d guess under 35 - were picked up from various stops on the road out of Alton, with a further concession-aged passenger paying to board in the only real intermediate settlement of Bentley. The route is mostly dual-carriageway, except the deviation in and out of Bentley. As we entered Farnham, two further lone farepayers were picked up followed by a family of four. This brought us up to 12 passengers taken inbound to Farnham, with no one alighting until there, where around half of us got off but more boarded.

18: 1002 Aldershot to Bordon Camp (1044)
Trident / ALX400 (18515, GX06 DXO)
Stagecoach South, Aldershot
~30 passengers, ~15 at once


I walked to Farnham station and hopped one stop north to Aldershot, where the bus station directly outside the railway station closed earlier this year. After a non-straightforward 10 or so min walk through the town centre, I found the departure stop for my next journey. The bus arrived Dead from the town’s depot six minutes late, pulling up behind delivery lorries which seem to treat the town’s unpleasant stops as loading bays (unpleasant in that they have little shelter or seating, being roadside stops on fairly narrow pavements never intended to be terminus type waiting areas). Grabbing upstairs front seats, and the bus having to leave from further back than where the gathering of intending passengers were, I’m unsure on exact numbers, but I’d guesstimate around 10 got on and we made frequent pick ups and drop offs at many stops all the way in to Farnham, including outside the old Aldershot & District Traction company staff club. Farnham town centre was both a popular drop off and pick up point, picking up at least nine in the town and setting down regularly as we passed through the following residential area. Entering Wrecclesham we passed the Farnham railway depot where four Class 701 Arterio units were seen stabled alongside a Class 458 Juniper, and a lorry reversing up from the infamous local bridge that seems to claim a lorry every month or so. This driver thankfully noticed just in time! It’s then fairly green from Wrecclesham down to my alighting point at Bordon Camp, just short of the route’s terminus at Whitehill Turning Circle before a loop of Bordon returns it north. We stop at Birdworld to let off a couple of groups of passengers. The road beyond allows us some spirited running, although it has already been clear our driver has been conscious of time but without being what I’d deem unsafe, with further stops made along this fast road to set down passengers at other points of interest including Alice Holt Forest and Country Market. Despite his efforts, either the timetable requires a certain pace, or we had a higher than normal number of stops as we were still delayed by the same amount despite not exactly hanging around. By the time I get off at Bordon Camp Crossroads we are five late and just two teenage passengers are left on board, from what I’d guesstimate to be a high of around 15-20 at one point and double that carried overall.

23: 1059 Bordon Camp to Haslemere (1132)
ADL Enviro 200 (36924, YX63 GYH)
Stagecoach South, Aldershot
12 passengers, 10 at once


I walked around the corner to the stop for Haslemere-bound route 23. I had originally intended to travel direct from Alton to Bordon on the 13, but was glad I didn’t when I saw the delayed 13 arrive opposite my infrequent 23. The connection is shown in the 23’s timetable but is stated as not guaranteed, so I went with a plan that gave a bit of extra time plus another route. Previously part of hourly route 18 Aldershot - Bordon - Haslemere, the Bordon to Haslemere section was split off a few years back and numbered 23. It was run as an extension of hourly route 13 Basingstoke - Alton - Bordon, with alternate journeys every two hours continuing to either Liphook (13) or Haslemere (23). Earlier this year the 13 was curtailed to run hourly Basingstoke - Alton - Bordon though, with the two forks merged to create a low frequency Liphook - Bordon - Haslemere route 23, running every 2-3 hours with supplemental Alton College term time additional journeys. The Stagecoach app denoted my next bus as red and “usually very busy at this time”, but as it pulled in I had the bus all to myself! This was the first bus so far with working next stop information, so it was a shame it was talking to itself rather than my previous journeys which had a potential audience. I can’t say how many boarded it from Liphook/Passfield into Bordon & Whitehill on the first half of its journey though, where this rapidly expanding town in the middle of fairly wooded and well off villages has a large supermarket and some other facilities. One concession joined me in the village of Headley, followed by a cash farepayer in Headley Down. The village of Grayshott, the only real settlement of any size en route, saw our concession alight and four board (one concession and three farepayers). The drizzle was now setting in, despite what the BBC Weather app promised me earlier, just in time for our Grayshott concession to alight a few minutes later at Hindhead Crossroads where a waiting farepayer replaced her, retaining six passengers on board out of 8 travelled so far. Here we passed an Aldershot-bound 19, which maintains an hourly direct link to Farnham and Aldershot but via a more direct route through Churt and woodland rather than the expanding Bordon (more on that later, hopefully…). We pick up a further farepayer and three concessions on the seemingly congested outskirts of Haslemere, and pass a 71 bound for the Woolmer Hill Estate where after a quick loop it will return to Guildford as my next bus. Four of our ten passengers on board alight at Haslemere railway station and we arrive at the Town Hall terminus five minutes late at 1137, and I cross the road for my next bus due 1141.

71: 1141 Haslemere to Witley (1204)
71: 1141 Haslemere to Chiddingfold (1153)

ADL Enviro 200 (37273, SL64 HXH)
Stagecoach South, Guildford (Peasmarsh)
6 passengers, 4 at once


A simple ‘Where to board your bus’ type map would be a handy addition to the timetable cases at stops in Haslemere, in place of the current promotional advertising, with buses in all directions leaving from stops on three different roads. There was no rush though, with my 1141 route 71 leaving at 1151. My next trip is another part route. The hourly 71 runs to Guildford via Godalming, as does the hourly 70. The 71 via pretty Chiddingfold and the 70 via more direct woodland. The two routes meet in Witley then run onwards together into more residential areas, both met in Godalming by the 72 which creates a 20 min frequency onwards to Guildford. I therefore pick Witley’s The Star pub as an interchange point, with an admittedly dodgy seven minute connection, and save the Godalming to Guildford route for another time and perhaps the 46 which runs via a less built up route through Compton. My main interest is interurban routes not surrounded by bricks and tarmac, however as my already questionable connection is now looking gone, I have to ponder a Plan B. Not easy with no signal(!). Three of us, all I’d guess under 35, are on board from Haslemere, although one leaves on the edge of town. Like the first two of the four buses so far, there is no next stop info on this bus, but there is a commercial advertising screen scrolling through various Stagecoach and third party material, including a notice about fares changing soon (dated March 2022!). When the Stagecoach app tracker and Bustimes map load, neither even shows any sign of the 70. I therefore bail in Chiddingfold ten minutes late, where three passengers board, and cross the road to return to Haslemere on a southbound 71 that is due now but has thankfully been delayed in roadworks between Witley and here by eight minutes.

70: 1211 Witley to Haslemere (1226)
ADL Enviro 200 (37264, SL64 HWY)
Stagecoach South, Guildford (Peasmarsh)


Upon checking later, when back in Haslemere, it appears it did run but around 20+ minutes late, hence not tracking at the time.

71: 1201 Chiddingfold to Haslemere (1215)
ADL Enviro 200 (36176, KX60 DUH)
Stagecoach South, Guildford (Peasmarsh)
7 passengers, 7 at once


Arriving a handy eight late, this had eight on board with two alighting at the stop after I board, making seven. A fairly even split of farepayers and concessions, if I had to guess. No one else gets off before Haslemere, where we arrive seven late at 1221. There is no next stop info or advertising display on this vehicle, although it is the first so far today to be sporting the new corporate livery.

19: 1309 Haslemere to Farnham (1352)
ADL Enviro 200 (36923, YX63 GYF)
Stagecoach South, Aldershot
7 passengers, 6 at once


After killing half an hour looking around Haslemere, I boarded route 19 mentioned above. Buses from Aldershot continue through Haslemere town centre to perform a loop of the High Lane Estate before returning into Haslemere, along the High Street to the Town Hall, where they layover for around ten minutes. No one alighted from High Lane Estate, with myself and a passenger in a wheelchair boarding. Like our earlier Aldershot-based saloon on the 23, along whose route we retrace as far as Hindhead, this vehicle has working next stop information, as opposed to the Guildford-based vehicles sampled which have advertisements instead. A concession and a farepayer are picked up in Shottermill, with a further two farepayers in Hindhead. Beyond Hindhead we loop through some residential roads in Beacon Hill, passing a Haslemere-bound 19 carrying around 7-10 people, before hitting the A287 through sparsely populated woodland. There’s not much between Beacon Hill and Farnham other than the village of Churt, where four of the six passengers alighted, and the Frensham Ponds local landmark. On the edge of Farnham we pick up a concession, before passing the railway station where a farepayer alights. We arrive in Farnham’s often congested town centre one way system with a minute early, giving me ample time to walk to my stop for my last bus of the day. The two of us still aboard alight, and a single concession boards.

65: 1403 Farnham - Alton (1430)
Trident / ALX400 (18522, XSU 682 formerly GX06 DXW)
Stagecoach South, Guildford (Peasmarsh)
~20 passengers, ~20 at once


Having departed its origin of Guildford nine minutes late, the bus leaves the Downing Street stop in Farnham 12 minutes late at 1415. Of the seven buses travelled on today, this was the second in new livery. Had my original route 70 plan worked then it would’ve been the only one of seven, as the first new livery today was the unplanned route 71 trip. While waiting, “beachball” Trident 18184 (MX54 LPK) passes by in the other direction on the Guildford-bound 65 running quarter of an hour late. It looks to be carrying around three to five passengers. My Alton-bound service has around 20 on board, although a handful do alight at the western end of Farnham. Around 15 still doesn’t seem too bad for a once threatened section of route. It’s unclear if many may usually travel by train Guildford to Farnham then wait ten minutes for the Farnham to Alton train behind though, which is usually half-hourly but reduced to hourly due to the industrial action. Journey times train vs bus are comparable though, and the bus is direct and only £2 each way, so it’s possible this may be typical for a school holiday. I’d guess two thirds of those on board are probably school or college age, so on a typical weekday would admittedly not be on board. The timetable is worked to cater for morning/afternoon school flows and later morning/lunchtime/early evening Alton College flows, with additional commuter and shopper infill journeys. Together these create a broadly hourly frequency, but with some longer gaps at certain times. A couple more alight in Bentley, replaced a few minutes later back on the A31 dual carriageway at Froyle opposite the Hen & Chicken pub, with the remaining 12 or so continuing into Alton, where we arrive six minutes late. Around eight passengers are waiting to board for the return journey.

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Enviro 400 marking 30 years of Stagecoach operating in the Blackwater Valley area after taking over part of Alder Valley South.

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Plenty of space for a map showing the stop locations in Haslemere.

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Marwell Zoo advert on my second 71 extending up over the windows. This is a regular feature of the zoo adverts in the past too.
 
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Not a full report but a couple of weeks back I made my first trip on the 101A, Edinburgh to Dumfries service since it's latest rescue, now in the hands of Dumfries and Galloway based operator Houston's mini coaches. It couldn't have been more obvious that particularly post pandemic, stagecoach as a company couldn't have cared less about this service and rather it sunk or swam although I can't honestly fault any of the drivers and do feel for those who I think may have lost their jobs or had to transfer elsewhere when the outstation at Biggar shut

The root is currently using a selection of vehicles from the company's existing fleet plus a couple of Volvo b7 RL e purchased from somewhere in the spring. There are some Volvo single decks on order which I believe are Jews soon and which will no doubt make a great addition to the route although for my money this should be coach operated, another example where the excellent Paxton panther l e would work welll

Anyone familiar with Houston's will be unsurprised to learn that vehicles were well turned out and drivers polite and customer focused as well as very friendly. When the service was taken over they basically reregistered the identical timetable that has been running for some time now and the same route and stopping pattern. Going forward it's probably high time that both of these were given a serious look at, the journey times two and from fairmile head are now unrealistic due to the vastly altered traffic and road conditions within Edinburgh and indeed I would, in their position be negotiating with all of the many supporting authorities and stakeholders, of which there are lots involved in keeping this show on the road for a alteration of root into Edinburgh although I'm aware options are limited so perhaps best case scenario a reduction in the number of stops served on route between the bus station and the city boundary where the service does little in the way of business

My driver reported that passenger numbers are rising and although some of this may be seasonal he thinks there is hope for the future as apparently the increase has to a certain extent being cash fares rather than concessions
 

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Not a full report but a couple of weeks back I made my first trip on the 101A, Edinburgh to Dumfries service since it's latest rescue, now in the hands of Dumfries and Galloway based operator Houston's mini coaches. It couldn't have been more obvious that particularly post pandemic, stagecoach as a company couldn't have cared less about this service and rather it sunk or swam although I can't honestly fault any of the drivers and do feel for those who I think may have lost their jobs or had to transfer elsewhere when the outstation at Biggar shut

The root is currently using a selection of vehicles from the company's existing fleet plus a couple of Volvo b7 RL e purchased from somewhere in the spring. There are some Volvo single decks on order which I believe are Jews soon and which will no doubt make a great addition to the route although for my money this should be coach operated, another example where the excellent Paxton panther l e would work welll

Anyone familiar with Houston's will be unsurprised to learn that vehicles were well turned out and drivers polite and customer focused as well as very friendly. When the service was taken over they basically reregistered the identical timetable that has been running for some time now and the same route and stopping pattern. Going forward it's probably high time that both of these were given a serious look at, the journey times two and from fairmile head are now unrealistic due to the vastly altered traffic and road conditions within Edinburgh and indeed I would, in their position be negotiating with all of the many supporting authorities and stakeholders, of which there are lots involved in keeping this show on the road for a alteration of root into Edinburgh although I'm aware options are limited so perhaps best case scenario a reduction in the number of stops served on route between the bus station and the city boundary where the service does little in the way of business

My driver reported that passenger numbers are rising and although some of this may be seasonal he thinks there is hope for the future as apparently the increase has to a certain extent being cash fares rather than concessions
Many thanks for your report.

I understand that at least two drivers at Biggar transferred t from Stagecoach to Houston’s.

After riding on the 101 in May, I submitted my findings regarding running times to Stand Up for Our Buses, the pressure group behind the campaign to retain the route. You are correct about Edinburgh to Fairmilehead. There is then a generous running time from there to Penicuik. This allowed the bus I was on to be only a couple of minutes late leaving Penicuik and we arrived in Biggar on time.

The routeing in Edinburgh should not be changed as the majority of passengers travel to the west end of the city centre, Tollcross and Morningside areas. Indeed an important peak hour flow is privately educated schoolchildren from as far away as Biggar travelling to Holy Corner for schools in that area.

At one time, the 101/102 only called at selected stops within Edinburgh. Certainly the day I travelled, the driver of the northbound journey showed no sign of stopping at all stops once we were beyond Fairmilehead.
 

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Another few hours of Stagecoach South country-ish routes.

65: 0850 Alton to Farnham (0920)
ADL Enviro 200 (37275, SL64 HXK)
Stagecoach South, Guildford (Peasmarsh)
12 passengers, 12 at once


Once operated as part of a through Winchester - Alton - Guildford service, the Alton to Farnham half of this now split Alton to Guildford route has been threatened with withdrawal since around 2015. There was talk of this September (2023) halving the frequency to two-hourly end-to-end, requiring just one vehicle instead of two for today’s broadly hourly service. On the way out of Alton five of us - all farepayers I’d guess under 35 - were picked up from various stops on the road out of Alton, with a further concession-aged passenger paying to board in the only real intermediate settlement of Bentley. The route is mostly dual-carriageway, except the deviation in and out of Bentley. As we entered Farnham, two further lone farepayers were picked up followed by a family of four. This brought us up to 12 passengers taken inbound to Farnham, with no one alighting until there, where around half of us got off but more boarded.

18: 1002 Aldershot to Bordon Camp (1044)
Trident / ALX400 (18515, GX06 DXO)
Stagecoach South, Aldershot
~30 passengers, ~15 at once


I walked to Farnham station and hopped one stop north to Aldershot, where the bus station directly outside the railway station closed earlier this year. After a non-straightforward 10 or so min walk through the town centre, I found the departure stop for my next journey. The bus arrived Dead from the town’s depot six minutes late, pulling up behind delivery lorries which seem to treat the town’s unpleasant stops as loading bays (unpleasant in that they have little shelter or seating, being roadside stops on fairly narrow pavements never intended to be terminus type waiting areas). Grabbing upstairs front seats, and the bus having to leave from further back than where the gathering of intending passengers were, I’m unsure on exact numbers, but I’d guesstimate around 10 got on and we made frequent pick ups and drop offs at many stops all the way in to Farnham, including outside the old Aldershot & District Traction company staff club. Farnham town centre was both a popular drop off and pick up point, picking up at least nine in the town and setting down regularly as we passed through the following residential area. Entering Wrecclesham we passed the Farnham railway depot where four Class 701 Arterio units were seen stabled alongside a Class 458 Juniper, and a lorry reversing up from the infamous local bridge that seems to claim a lorry every month or so. This driver thankfully noticed just in time! It’s then fairly green from Wrecclesham down to my alighting point at Bordon Camp, just short of the route’s terminus at Whitehill Turning Circle before a loop of Bordon returns it north. We stop at Birdworld to let off a couple of groups of passengers. The road beyond allows us some spirited running, although it has already been clear our driver has been conscious of time but without being what I’d deem unsafe, with further stops made along this fast road to set down passengers at other points of interest including Alice Holt Forest and Country Market. Despite his efforts, either the timetable requires a certain pace, or we had a higher than normal number of stops as we were still delayed by the same amount despite not exactly hanging around. By the time I get off at Bordon Camp Crossroads we are five late and just two teenage passengers are left on board, from what I’d guesstimate to be a high of around 15-20 at one point and double that carried overall.

23: 1059 Bordon Camp to Haslemere (1132)
ADL Enviro 200 (36924, YX63 GYH)
Stagecoach South, Aldershot
12 passengers, 10 at once


I walked around the corner to the stop for Haslemere-bound route 23. I had originally intended to travel direct from Alton to Bordon on the 13, but was glad I didn’t when I saw the delayed 13 arrive opposite my infrequent 23. The connection is shown in the 23’s timetable but is stated as not guaranteed, so I went with a plan that gave a bit of extra time plus another route. Previously part of hourly route 18 Aldershot - Bordon - Haslemere, the Bordon to Haslemere section was split off a few years back and numbered 23. It was run as an extension of hourly route 13 Basingstoke - Alton - Bordon, with alternate journeys every two hours continuing to either Liphook (13) or Haslemere (23). Earlier this year the 13 was curtailed to run hourly Basingstoke - Alton - Bordon though, with the two forks merged to create a low frequency Liphook - Bordon - Haslemere route 23, running every 2-3 hours with supplemental Alton College term time additional journeys. The Stagecoach app denoted my next bus as red and “usually very busy at this time”, but as it pulled in I had the bus all to myself! This was the first bus so far with working next stop information, so it was a shame it was talking to itself rather than my previous journeys which had a potential audience. I can’t say how many boarded it from Liphook/Passfield into Bordon & Whitehill on the first half of its journey though, where this rapidly expanding town in the middle of fairly wooded and well off villages has a large supermarket and some other facilities. One concession joined me in the village of Headley, followed by a cash farepayer in Headley Down. The village of Grayshott, the only real settlement of any size en route, saw our concession alight and four board (one concession and three farepayers). The drizzle was now setting in, despite what the BBC Weather app promised me earlier, just in time for our Grayshott concession to alight a few minutes later at Hindhead Crossroads where a waiting farepayer replaced her, retaining six passengers on board out of 8 travelled so far. Here we passed an Aldershot-bound 19, which maintains an hourly direct link to Farnham and Aldershot but via a more direct route through Churt and woodland rather than the expanding Bordon (more on that later, hopefully…). We pick up a further farepayer and three concessions on the seemingly congested outskirts of Haslemere, and pass a 71 bound for the Woolmer Hill Estate where after a quick loop it will return to Guildford as my next bus. Four of our ten passengers on board alight at Haslemere railway station and we arrive at the Town Hall terminus five minutes late at 1137, and I cross the road for my next bus due 1141.

71: 1141 Haslemere to Witley (1204)
71: 1141 Haslemere to Chiddingfold (1153)

ADL Enviro 200 (37273, SL64 HXH)
Stagecoach South, Guildford (Peasmarsh)
6 passengers, 4 at once


A simple ‘Where to board your bus’ type map would be a handy addition to the timetable cases at stops in Haslemere, in place of the current promotional advertising, with buses in all directions leaving from stops on three different roads. There was no rush though, with my 1141 route 71 leaving at 1151. My next trip is another part route. The hourly 71 runs to Guildford via Godalming, as does the hourly 70. The 71 via pretty Chiddingfold and the 70 via more direct woodland. The two routes meet in Witley then run onwards together into more residential areas, both met in Godalming by the 72 which creates a 20 min frequency onwards to Guildford. I therefore pick Witley’s The Star pub as an interchange point, with an admittedly dodgy seven minute connection, and save the Godalming to Guildford route for another time and perhaps the 46 which runs via a less built up route through Compton. My main interest is interurban routes not surrounded by bricks and tarmac, however as my already questionable connection is now looking gone, I have to ponder a Plan B. Not easy with no signal(!). Three of us, all I’d guess under 35, are on board from Haslemere, although one leaves on the edge of town. Like the first two of the four buses so far, there is no next stop info on this bus, but there is a commercial advertising screen scrolling through various Stagecoach and third party material, including a notice about fares changing soon (dated March 2022!). When the Stagecoach app tracker and Bustimes map load, neither even shows any sign of the 70. I therefore bail in Chiddingfold ten minutes late, where three passengers board, and cross the road to return to Haslemere on a southbound 71 that is due now but has thankfully been delayed in roadworks between Witley and here by eight minutes.

70: 1211 Witley to Haslemere (1226)
ADL Enviro 200 (37264, SL64 HWY)
Stagecoach South, Guildford (Peasmarsh)


Upon checking later, when back in Haslemere, it appears it did run but around 20+ minutes late, hence not tracking at the time.

71: 1201 Chiddingfold to Haslemere (1215)
ADL Enviro 200 (36176, KX60 DUH)
Stagecoach South, Guildford (Peasmarsh)
7 passengers, 7 at once


Arriving a handy eight late, this had eight on board with two alighting at the stop after I board, making seven. A fairly even split of farepayers and concessions, if I had to guess. No one else gets off before Haslemere, where we arrive seven late at 1221. There is no next stop info or advertising display on this vehicle, although it is the first so far today to be sporting the new corporate livery.

19: 1309 Haslemere to Farnham (1352)
ADL Enviro 200 (36923, YX63 GYF)
Stagecoach South, Aldershot
7 passengers, 6 at once


After killing half an hour looking around Haslemere, I boarded route 19 mentioned above. Buses from Aldershot continue through Haslemere town centre to perform a loop of the High Lane Estate before returning into Haslemere, along the High Street to the Town Hall, where they layover for around ten minutes. No one alighted from High Lane Estate, with myself and a passenger in a wheelchair boarding. Like our earlier Aldershot-based saloon on the 23, along whose route we retrace as far as Hindhead, this vehicle has working next stop information, as opposed to the Guildford-based vehicles sampled which have advertisements instead. A concession and a farepayer are picked up in Shottermill, with a further two farepayers in Hindhead. Beyond Hindhead we loop through some residential roads in Beacon Hill, passing a Haslemere-bound 19 carrying around 7-10 people, before hitting the A287 through sparsely populated woodland. There’s not much between Beacon Hill and Farnham other than the village of Churt, where four of the six passengers alighted, and the Frensham Ponds local landmark. On the edge of Farnham we pick up a concession, before passing the railway station where a farepayer alights. We arrive in Farnham’s often congested town centre one way system with a minute early, giving me ample time to walk to my stop for my last bus of the day. The two of us still aboard alight, and a single concession boards.

65: 1403 Farnham - Alton (1430)
Trident / ALX400 (18522, XSU 682 formerly GX06 DXW)
Stagecoach South, Guildford (Peasmarsh)
~20 passengers, ~20 at once


Having departed its origin of Guildford nine minutes late, the bus leaves the Downing Street stop in Farnham 12 minutes late at 1415. Of the seven buses travelled on today, this was the second in new livery. Had my original route 70 plan worked then it would’ve been the only one of seven, as the first new livery today was the unplanned route 71 trip. While waiting, “beachball” Trident 18184 (MX54 LPK) passes by in the other direction on the Guildford-bound 65 running quarter of an hour late. It looks to be carrying around three to five passengers. My Alton-bound service has around 20 on board, although a handful do alight at the western end of Farnham. Around 15 still doesn’t seem too bad for a once threatened section of route. It’s unclear if many may usually travel by train Guildford to Farnham then wait ten minutes for the Farnham to Alton train behind though, which is usually half-hourly but reduced to hourly due to the industrial action. Journey times train vs bus are comparable though, and the bus is direct and only £2 each way, so it’s possible this may be typical for a school holiday. I’d guess two thirds of those on board are probably school or college age, so on a typical weekday would admittedly not be on board. The timetable is worked to cater for morning/afternoon school flows and later morning/lunchtime/early evening Alton College flows, with additional commuter and shopper infill journeys. Together these create a broadly hourly frequency, but with some longer gaps at certain times. A couple more alight in Bentley, replaced a few minutes later back on the A31 dual carriageway at Froyle opposite the Hen & Chicken pub, with the remaining 12 or so continuing into Alton, where we arrive six minutes late. Around eight passengers are waiting to board for the return journey.

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Enviro 400 marking 30 years of Stagecoach operating in the Blackwater Valley area after taking over part of Alder Valley South.

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Plenty of space for a map showing the stop locations in Haslemere.

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Marwell Zoo advert on my second 71 extending up over the windows. This is a regular feature of the zoo adverts in the past too.
Thanks for another Hants and Surrey excursion. Seemed quite familiar as I had a trip out in that part of the world as part of a last trip on Arriva in Guildford in Dec 2021. I did the 65 from Guildford to Alton that was being operated by some rather elderly Tridents at that time including 18185. I did Alton to Haslemere on an e300 on the 13 (did that run with the 23?) which was an interesting route, and I followed that up with the 19 as well though it was a late model Dart for me - seemed to think it was very tree lined from Haslemere to Farnham though I continued on to Aldershot.

Was a part of the world that was a bit of a mystery to me, and I quite liked it. Will have to explore your earlier patch around Petersfield - another on the "to do" list
 

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It's been a month since my last trip. Of course, there's lots of ones that I'd like to do but one in particular has been in my thoughts for a bit. Hence, it was the reclaiming of a day in lieu that allowed me to take Thursday off...and that was a stroke of luck as you'll discover. drove to Taunton, and wanting a nice safe place to park, chose Silk Mills P&R, handy for my first journey. On arriving, I discovered that the police were present as seven council minibuses had been burnt out in the compound next door in a suspected arson attack. I still took the risk in parking, walking to Great Western Way (near the Berrys Coaches depot). Oddly for such a car centric town, there is a bus gate in the centre of the housing estate though I think that's more to stop car using it as a rat run?

I was heading to the Exmoor town of Dulverton. Surprisingly, it was operated by a double decker - one of the ex London/Leicester/Weston e400s that Buses of Somerset have, now repainted in a new, lurid green livery. The 25 is a superb service - a real hidden gem though better views are afforded to Taunton (as I experienced about 10 years ago on a Dart). On leaving Taunton, it's lush countryside before a loop in Cotford St Luke - a car dominated development on the site of the old Tone Vale County Asylum - with some unforgiving road humps. Then you begin the scenic climb though only about 4 people shared it with me (not surprisingly). Milverton provided delays with parked cars, and then we passed a farm with over 30-40 Jaguars in varying states of decay parked out the front. We then continued up to Wiveliscombe though the 25 bypasses the main street. Traditionally, the service continued from here to Maundown village but in the early 2000s, Rural Bus Challenge money saw an extension over to Barnstaple (!) and whilst that no longer exists, the service continues to Dulverton. By this point, the landscape feels more Devon like - the soil is red, the rolling hills feel less like Somerset and then you cross the county boundary into the small town of Bampton where we picked up another passenger. We then traversed some very narrow roads before arriving into Dulverton at 8:45

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Dulverton

Dulverton on a summer Thursday morning isn't kicking. The cafes weren't open but the shop could do me a coffee before I waited the near 90 mins for my 198 to Minehead before divine intervention. Walking past a shop now used as a community notice board, I saw a poster citing the return of the Exmoor Community Bus service to Minehead...on a Thursday...at 0915. I checked BusTimes - nothing. I went to the stop - a notice there saying it was postponed because of Covid. I looked on their website - it said it runs but nothing inspired confidence and it did say to ring the night before to book your seat. It was 09:10 so thought I had nothing to lose...and at 09:19, the 678 to Minehead did indeed arrive. A 16 seat Iveco minibus driven by volunteer Amanda - I flagged her down, confessed I'd not booked and could I travel. She said it's the long way round (but I knew I'd beat the 198), and there was room so I paid the £2 and sat down. We weaved around various places like Skilgate and Brompton Regis, past Wimbleball Lake etc. Amanda pointed out some nice views for me, the locals knew each other and were chatting away. After an hour, we reached a junction where Dulverton was signposted at 4 miles away! That said, we quickly sped to Minehead from there and Amanda showed a lot of driving skill on the narrow roads between these hamlets. I think there were about 7 of us who got off in Minehead; I know that @RELL6L has enjoyed the 198/398 to Minehead but has he experienced the 678 - it's not just hidden, it's almost buried!

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Minehead and the Community Bus - a lovely 90 min ramble

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Well patronised Coasters pass near Barbrook

What this meant was I arrived early into Minehead and that I could catch the next Exmoor Coaster to Ilfracombe; basically, I would be into the North Devon resort two hours earlier than planned. I waited outside the Coop in Minehead that is actually built on the site of the former bus station/depot. A former Abellio/Go Coach e400, converted to open top but retaining dual doors arrived on time. There were no seats available up top and only a few on the lower deck; I got one of those but there were about 5 standing. We set off and lost a couple of local passengers at Porlock but then gained a few more too. A full standing load is a testimony to how popular the Exmo has become. Last time (in 2021), I experienced the route to Lynmouth on a Scania. Have to say that the e400 was equally as well driven by our pilot (very impressive) but I did feel sorry for him. The e400 had power and could've climbed Porlock Hill steadily had it been able to hold a gear. Managing the steepest inclines ok, on the less steep bits it would climb and gain speed, jump up a gear, lose revs and momentum, and then kick back down, doing this several times on the ascent. However, once it had got to the top, it performed well and we were treated to the purple heather of Exmoor and the coastal views across the Bristol Channel. It is a stunning bit of scenery and I'd recommend it to anyone. We then had the descent of Countisbury Hill where our driver skilfully handled the enviro and into Lynmouth car park, engine fan whirring wildly. Cue most of the passengers leaving, I headed upstairs for the remainder of the route. I'd not travelled this route before - 2021 was only to Lynmouth whilst 2022 had seen a Sunseeker service introduced using e200s between Lynmouth and Ilfracombe, confidence was rewarded as 2023 high season has Exmo extended to Ilfracombe on five journeys. We had over 30 on the top deck and probably about 15-20 below - a very decent figure as we climbed out of Lynmouth (omitting Lynton despite the route branding as the route wasn't deemed achievable) and then headed up through Barbrook following the valley. There is then a quite open bit of route to Blackmoor Gate where two Filers vehicles on the Lynton to Barnstaple route were parked up waiting time. Sadly, despite the narrow gauge railway and the Combe Martin Dinosaur Park, we didn't actually stop for passengers at all until nearly at Ilfracombe - perhaps the marketing on this part of the route could be a bit better? Still, the vehicles themselves are a highly visible mobile billboard for the route and it's great to see the route prospering; glad I got to travel on it before the route winds down a bit for autumn and Ilfracombe loses its link til next year.

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L&B Steam Railway near Parracombe

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The view over Combe Martin

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Looking up the coast from Hele Bay


Ilfracombe is a hillside town. I peered from the e400 into the harbour far below. That area is lovely but I'm not a huge fan of the town. Fancying a sandwich from a shop on the high street, I exited and waited for the 301 to Barnstaple. Last time on this route (in 2019), I had a Filers Streetlite WF. They relinquished the service in December. It's now with Stagecoach who use a couple of Rail Link branded e200s on it. The 301 is a curious service - as in 2019, loadings in the middle of the day seem quite healthy. It is the fast service, avoiding the large villages of Chivenor and Braunton on the main coastal route, and it serves the hospital and yet it has been supported for many a year. As ever, a few well patronised journeys doesn't equal a sustainable commercial route but it's is a pleasant enough ride.

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My raillink 301 seen in Combe Martin

Barnstaple is another town that feels like it's struggling - lots of closed commercial premises despite it being the main town in the area. I had chance to rest and wander around. The bus operations seem to mirror the town. Stagecoach are the main operator and are decent enough yet the fleet is increasingly aged. One of four surviving Darts was working the Georgeham route, most of the fleet are e400s of which the newest are the 2013 North Devon Wave vehicles; doesn't feel like Barnstaple will see much investment and indeed, the newest vehicle I saw was a sole 2014 e200. The bus station is also moderately depressing. Built in 1999, there is a two storey office block, with Stagecoach welfare facilities (and offices?) on the first floor. The bottom floor where toilets, a travel office, and a cafe once existed, are just locked up with some passive aggressive signage. There is the potential for something much better than what is there now, which is nothing! The bus station is a bit jaded but Devon County Council do make sure that the timetables and signage is correct so you can find your bus. I was getting the 155 that used to run Barnstaple - South Molton - Tiverton - Exeter. However, since I last travelled in 2021, it has been dismembered. An hourly 155 runs to South Molton but onward to Tiverton is now a tendered 346. I was carefully checking the 346 but happy it had left Tiverton, I was confident enough to get on the 155. It was a 15 year old e400, not in bad shape but looking a bit faded. With about 15 passengers on, we headed to South Molton and a climb from the coast into the hills.

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Barnstaple bus station - drivers need facilities but what about passengers?

It was a fairly uneventful, but not unpleasant trip to South Molton - it's a lovely little town with a selection of Georgian and Victorian architecture. I could see on BusTimes that my Solo was still tracking so was happy to await it and not head back to Barnstaple and my back up plan of rail trips to avoid being stuck in North Devon. What happened next was quite interesting. The 155 driver had done the extension to Mill on the Mole (!) and was sat back in South Molton on the e400. I assumed he was waiting for connecting passengers for the 346 but no...the drivers do a changeover in the town. So my 346 was being operated by Barnstaple depot (I think), and my 155 driver duly took charge of the venerable 19 year old Solo whose outgoing pilot then took the 155 Enviro. My Solo had seen better days (and still had Covid era notices) though the capacity was fine for the 4 passengers who it took and it was in fairly good order. I was the only one on board from just after Witheridge into Tiverton so not a shock it isn't commercial and I guess a fully depreciated Solo is about what it justifies. I was on the home straight now and the grey morning skies were now replaced with lovely late summer sunshine. I like Tiverton and it seems more buoyant than the North Devon towns.

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My 346 arrives in South Molton - a very attractive town

My penultimate bus trip was on the 373. Like the 346, this is a recent Devon CC intervention after a Stagecoach withdrawal and we headed to Tiverton Parkway on a rather nice e400mmc; one that was new to Exeter Park and Ride services. We headed out and through some archetypal Devon rural scenery, including a rather odd double run and reverse in Sampford Peverell, before arriving at Parkway where a good number of passengers were waiting to go onward to Cullompton. Then my second bit of luck - rather than a 30 min wait, a late running Paddington train would arrive in 7 mins to take me to Taunton. Also, not certain what was running, or perhaps my visit had been publicised, but there were camera toting rail enthusiasts all the way on the line north. It's only a short hop and I could almost see my car on arriving into Taunton, though knowing that it wouldn't be that easy.

On arriving into Taunton station, I headed out to catch a bus to retrieve my car. Thankfully, I had about 10 mins to wait for a Minehead service. I think BSIP money is behind a £1 local fare in Taunton and I do hope that, and some money for limited evening services, does help to stem the decline in bus services in the town. It feels like the bus war between First and Webberbus was like two bald men arguing over a comb, and First's victory was pyrrhic. Still, they are promoting the fare deal and I hope it does help. The 28 was operated by one of the ex Glasgow e300s, now 12 years old and perhaps needing replacement soon? It duly deposited me on the edge of town and a short walk to discover my car wasn't also now a smouldering wreck! Phew!

Observations - First Buses of Somerset is a bit of a zombie firm. The Exmoor Coaster is a superb route and a real success story, and they've been well rewarded for the entrepreneurial approach of Alex Carter and Marc Morgan Huws. Now they've both gone, I hope they don't lose focus as the route is clearly well patronised from what I saw. The rest of the operation is really concerning and seems to be in ever decreasing circles. Perhaps a bit of BSIP money, closing Bridgwater depot, etc might be able to stabilise things but even in the AC/MMH era, Somerset bus services declined markedly with even the Taunton locals becoming rather skeletal and infrequent.

Stagecoach South West is a decent operation. It's better than First, much better, but the lack of investment is becoming really noticeable. Painting Darts and old e400s into the awful 2020 livery won't get away from the fact that the fleet is aging. I'd also say that every service operated reliably with the 301 being ten mins late being the only quibble.

I'd certainly recommend the Exmo, but get the 25 from Dulverton to Taunton whilst you can. Same with the 346 - a raucous fun trip through the Devon countryside. Hope this isn't too indulgent and whilst Ilfracombe disappears off the Exmo this week, the Eastern half of the route continues into the winter and boy, it is great. I'd definitely recommend to you that you do it.
 

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It's been a month since my last trip. Of course, there's lots of ones that I'd like to do but one in particular has been in my thoughts for a bit. Hence, it was the reclaiming of a day in lieu that allowed me to take Thursday off...and that was a stroke of luck as you'll discover. drove to Taunton, and wanting a nice safe place to park, chose Silk Mills P&R, handy for my first journey. On arriving, I discovered that the police were present as seven council minibuses had been burnt out in the compound next door in a suspected arson attack. I still took the risk in parking, walking to Great Western Way (near the Berrys Coaches depot). Oddly for such a car centric town, there is a bus gate in the centre of the housing estate though I think that's more to stop car using it as a rat run?

I was heading to the Exmoor town of Dulverton. Surprisingly, it was operated by a double decker - one of the ex London/Leicester/Weston e400s that Buses of Somerset have, now repainted in a new, lurid green livery. The 25 is a superb service - a real hidden gem though better views are afforded to Taunton (as I experienced about 10 years ago on a Dart). On leaving Taunton, it's lush countryside before a loop in Cotford St Luke - a car dominated development on the site of the old Tone Vale County Asylum - with some unforgiving road humps. Then you begin the scenic climb though only about 4 people shared it with me (not surprisingly). Milverton provided delays with parked cars, and then we passed a farm with over 30-40 Jaguars in varying states of decay parked out the front. We then continued up to Wiveliscombe though the 25 bypasses the main street. Traditionally, the service continued from here to Maundown village but in the early 2000s, Rural Bus Challenge money saw an extension over to Barnstaple (!) and whilst that no longer exists, the service continues to Dulverton. By this point, the landscape feels more Devon like - the soil is red, the rolling hills feel less like Somerset and then you cross the county boundary into the small town of Bampton where we picked up another passenger. We then traversed some very narrow roads before arriving into Dulverton at 8:45

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Dulverton

Dulverton on a summer Thursday morning isn't kicking. The cafes weren't open but the shop could do me a coffee before I waited the near 90 mins for my 198 to Minehead before divine intervention. Walking past a shop now used as a community notice board, I saw a poster citing the return of the Exmoor Community Bus service to Minehead...on a Thursday...at 0915. I checked BusTimes - nothing. I went to the stop - a notice there saying it was postponed because of Covid. I looked on their website - it said it runs but nothing inspired confidence and it did say to ring the night before to book your seat. It was 09:10 so thought I had nothing to lose...and at 09:19, the 678 to Minehead did indeed arrive. A 16 seat Iveco minibus driven by volunteer Amanda - I flagged her down, confessed I'd not booked and could I travel. She said it's the long way round (but I knew I'd beat the 198), and there was room so I paid the £2 and sat down. We weaved around various places like Skilgate and Brompton Regis, past Wimbleball Lake etc. Amanda pointed out some nice views for me, the locals knew each other and were chatting away. After an hour, we reached a junction where Dulverton was signposted at 4 miles away! That said, we quickly sped to Minehead from there and Amanda showed a lot of driving skill on the narrow roads between these hamlets. I think there were about 7 of us who got off in Minehead; I know that @RELL6L has enjoyed the 198/398 to Minehead but has he experienced the 678 - it's not just hidden, it's almost buried!

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Minehead and the Community Bus - a lovely 90 min ramble

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Well patronised Coasters pass near Barbrook

What this meant was I arrived early into Minehead and that I could catch the next Exmoor Coaster to Ilfracombe; basically, I would be into the North Devon resort two hours earlier than planned. I waited outside the Coop in Minehead that is actually built on the site of the former bus station/depot. A former Abellio/Go Coach e400, converted to open top but retaining dual doors arrived on time. There were no seats available up top and only a few on the lower deck; I got one of those but there were about 5 standing. We set off and lost a couple of local passengers at Porlock but then gained a few more too. A full standing load is a testimony to how popular the Exmo has become. Last time (in 2021), I experienced the route to Lynmouth on a Scania. Have to say that the e400 was equally as well driven by our pilot (very impressive) but I did feel sorry for him. The e400 had power and could've climbed Porlock Hill steadily had it been able to hold a gear. Managing the steepest inclines ok, on the less steep bits it would climb and gain speed, jump up a gear, lose revs and momentum, and then kick back down, doing this several times on the ascent. However, once it had got to the top, it performed well and we were treated to the purple heather of Exmoor and the coastal views across the Bristol Channel. It is a stunning bit of scenery and I'd recommend it to anyone. We then had the descent of Countisbury Hill where our driver skilfully handled the enviro and into Lynmouth car park, engine fan whirring wildly. Cue most of the passengers leaving, I headed upstairs for the remainder of the route. I'd not travelled this route before - 2021 was only to Lynmouth whilst 2022 had seen a Sunseeker service introduced using e200s between Lynmouth and Ilfracombe, confidence was rewarded as 2023 high season has Exmo extended to Ilfracombe on five journeys. We had over 30 on the top deck and probably about 15-20 below - a very decent figure as we climbed out of Lynmouth (omitting Lynton despite the route branding as the route wasn't deemed achievable) and then headed up through Barbrook following the valley. There is then a quite open bit of route to Blackmoor Gate where two Filers vehicles on the Lynton to Barnstaple route were parked up waiting time. Sadly, despite the narrow gauge railway and the Combe Martin Dinosaur Park, we didn't actually stop for passengers at all until nearly at Ilfracombe - perhaps the marketing on this part of the route could be a bit better? Still, the vehicles themselves are a highly visible mobile billboard for the route and it's great to see the route prospering; glad I got to travel on it before the route winds down a bit for autumn and Ilfracombe loses its link til next year.

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L&B Steam Railway near Parracombe

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The view over Combe Martin

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Looking up the coast from Hele Bay


Ilfracombe is a hillside town. I peered from the e400 into the harbour far below. That area is lovely but I'm not a huge fan of the town. Fancying a sandwich from a shop on the high street, I exited and waited for the 301 to Barnstaple. Last time on this route (in 2019), I had a Filers Streetlite WF. They relinquished the service in December. It's now with Stagecoach who use a couple of Rail Link branded e200s on it. The 301 is a curious service - as in 2019, loadings in the middle of the day seem quite healthy. It is the fast service, avoiding the large villages of Chivenor and Braunton on the main coastal route, and it serves the hospital and yet it has been supported for many a year. As ever, a few well patronised journeys doesn't equal a sustainable commercial route but it's is a pleasant enough ride.

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My raillink 301 seen in Combe Martin

Barnstaple is another town that feels like it's struggling - lots of closed commercial premises despite it being the main town in the area. I had chance to rest and wander around. The bus operations seem to mirror the town. Stagecoach are the main operator and are decent enough yet the fleet is increasingly aged. One of four surviving Darts was working the Georgeham route, most of the fleet are e400s of which the newest are the 2013 North Devon Wave vehicles; doesn't feel like Barnstaple will see much investment and indeed, the newest vehicle I saw was a sole 2014 e200. The bus station is also moderately depressing. Built in 1999, there is a two storey office block, with Stagecoach welfare facilities (and offices?) on the first floor. The bottom floor where toilets, a travel office, and a cafe once existed, are just locked up with some passive aggressive signage. There is the potential for something much better than what is there now, which is nothing! The bus station is a bit jaded but Devon County Council do make sure that the timetables and signage is correct so you can find your bus. I was getting the 155 that used to run Barnstaple - South Molton - Tiverton - Exeter. However, since I last travelled in 2021, it has been dismembered. An hourly 155 runs to South Molton but onward to Tiverton is now a tendered 346. I was carefully checking the 346 but happy it had left Tiverton, I was confident enough to get on the 155. It was a 15 year old e400, not in bad shape but looking a bit faded. With about 15 passengers on, we headed to South Molton and a climb from the coast into the hills.

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Barnstaple bus station - drivers need facilities but what about passengers?

It was a fairly uneventful, but not unpleasant trip to South Molton - it's a lovely little town with a selection of Georgian and Victorian architecture. I could see on BusTimes that my Solo was still tracking so was happy to await it and not head back to Barnstaple and my back up plan of rail trips to avoid being stuck in North Devon. What happened next was quite interesting. The 155 driver had done the extension to Mill on the Mole (!) and was sat back in South Molton on the e400. I assumed he was waiting for connecting passengers for the 346 but no...the drivers do a changeover in the town. So my 346 was being operated by Barnstaple depot (I think), and my 155 driver duly took charge of the venerable 19 year old Solo whose outgoing pilot then took the 155 Enviro. My Solo had seen better days (and still had Covid era notices) though the capacity was fine for the 4 passengers who it took and it was in fairly good order. I was the only one on board from just after Witheridge into Tiverton so not a shock it isn't commercial and I guess a fully depreciated Solo is about what it justifies. I was on the home straight now and the grey morning skies were now replaced with lovely late summer sunshine. I like Tiverton and it seems more buoyant than the North Devon towns.

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My 346 arrives in South Molton - a very attractive town

My penultimate bus trip was on the 373. Like the 346, this is a recent Devon CC intervention after a Stagecoach withdrawal and we headed to Tiverton Parkway on a rather nice e400mmc; one that was new to Exeter Park and Ride services. We headed out and through some archetypal Devon rural scenery, including a rather odd double run and reverse in Sampford Peverell, before arriving at Parkway where a good number of passengers were waiting to go onward to Cullompton. Then my second bit of luck - rather than a 30 min wait, a late running Paddington train would arrive in 7 mins to take me to Taunton. Also, not certain what was running, or perhaps my visit had been publicised, but there were camera toting rail enthusiasts all the way on the line north. It's only a short hop and I could almost see my car on arriving into Taunton, though knowing that it wouldn't be that easy.

On arriving into Taunton station, I headed out to catch a bus to retrieve my car. Thankfully, I had about 10 mins to wait for a Minehead service. I think BSIP money is behind a £1 local fare in Taunton and I do hope that, and some money for limited evening services, does help to stem the decline in bus services in the town. It feels like the bus war between First and Webberbus was like two bald men arguing over a comb, and First's victory was pyrrhic. Still, they are promoting the fare deal and I hope it does help. The 28 was operated by one of the ex Glasgow e300s, now 12 years old and perhaps needing replacement soon? It duly deposited me on the edge of town and a short walk to discover my car wasn't also now a smouldering wreck! Phew!

Observations - First Buses of Somerset is a bit of a zombie firm. The Exmoor Coaster is a superb route and a real success story, and they've been well rewarded for the entrepreneurial approach of Alex Carter and Marc Morgan Huws. Now they've both gone, I hope they don't lose focus as the route is clearly well patronised from what I saw. The rest of the operation is really concerning and seems to be in ever decreasing circles. Perhaps a bit of BSIP money, closing Bridgwater depot, etc might be able to stabilise things but even in the AC/MMH era, Somerset bus services declined markedly with even the Taunton locals becoming rather skeletal and infrequent.

Stagecoach South West is a decent operation. It's better than First, much better, but the lack of investment is becoming really noticeable. Painting Darts and old e400s into the awful 2020 livery won't get away from the fact that the fleet is aging. I'd also say that every service operated reliably with the 301 being ten mins late being the only quibble.

I'd certainly recommend the Exmo, but get the 25 from Dulverton to Taunton whilst you can. Same with the 346 - a raucous fun trip through the Devon countryside. Hope this isn't too indulgent and whilst Ilfracombe disappears off the Exmo this week, the Eastern half of the route continues into the winter and boy, it is great. I'd definitely recommend to you that you do it.
A bit of memory lane for me there - thank you very much, enjoyed hugely. My memories were from the late 1960s, so getting pretty hazy now, but I was particularly interested in your comments on a Co-Op being built on the site of the depot/bus station in Minehead. I well remember the 11 p.m. 'special' that left there on a Saturday night for Dunster and beyond, invariably worked by one of Minehead's two Lodekkas, the FLF, with the male conductor aged about 20, a year or two older than me, who always volunteered for this duty with two thirds of the passengers being teenage females! The driver looked like Jack from 'On The Buses' who leered from his cab as those passengers got on or off at the front entrance! Happy days.

As for the Taunton bus gate, if it is the same one featured on the local BBC Spotlight programme a few years ago, it was put in to stop cars primarily. When it got ignored at first, the positioning of a camera there and 100 fines a day being issued by the local council soon spread the message!
 

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It's been a month since my last trip. Of course, there's lots of ones that I'd like to do but one in particular has been in my thoughts for a bit. Hence, it was the reclaiming of a day in lieu that allowed me to take Thursday off...and that was a stroke of luck as you'll discover. drove to Taunton, and wanting a nice safe place to park, chose Silk Mills P&R, handy for my first journey. On arriving, I discovered that the police were present as seven council minibuses had been burnt out in the compound next door in a suspected arson attack. I still took the risk in parking, walking to Great Western Way (near the Berrys Coaches depot). Oddly for such a car centric town, there is a bus gate in the centre of the housing estate though I think that's more to stop car using it as a rat run?

I was heading to the Exmoor town of Dulverton. Surprisingly, it was operated by a double decker - one of the ex London/Leicester/Weston e400s that Buses of Somerset have, now repainted in a new, lurid green livery. The 25 is a superb service - a real hidden gem though better views are afforded to Taunton (as I experienced about 10 years ago on a Dart). On leaving Taunton, it's lush countryside before a loop in Cotford St Luke - a car dominated development on the site of the old Tone Vale County Asylum - with some unforgiving road humps. Then you begin the scenic climb though only about 4 people shared it with me (not surprisingly). Milverton provided delays with parked cars, and then we passed a farm with over 30-40 Jaguars in varying states of decay parked out the front. We then continued up to Wiveliscombe though the 25 bypasses the main street. Traditionally, the service continued from here to Maundown village but in the early 2000s, Rural Bus Challenge money saw an extension over to Barnstaple (!) and whilst that no longer exists, the service continues to Dulverton. By this point, the landscape feels more Devon like - the soil is red, the rolling hills feel less like Somerset and then you cross the county boundary into the small town of Bampton where we picked up another passenger. We then traversed some very narrow roads before arriving into Dulverton at 8:45


Dulverton

Dulverton on a summer Thursday morning isn't kicking. The cafes weren't open but the shop could do me a coffee before I waited the near 90 mins for my 198 to Minehead before divine intervention. Walking past a shop now used as a community notice board, I saw a poster citing the return of the Exmoor Community Bus service to Minehead...on a Thursday...at 0915. I checked BusTimes - nothing. I went to the stop - a notice there saying it was postponed because of Covid. I looked on their website - it said it runs but nothing inspired confidence and it did say to ring the night before to book your seat. It was 09:10 so thought I had nothing to lose...and at 09:19, the 678 to Minehead did indeed arrive. A 16 seat Iveco minibus driven by volunteer Amanda - I flagged her down, confessed I'd not booked and could I travel. She said it's the long way round (but I knew I'd beat the 198), and there was room so I paid the £2 and sat down. We weaved around various places like Skilgate and Brompton Regis, past Wimbleball Lake etc. Amanda pointed out some nice views for me, the locals knew each other and were chatting away. After an hour, we reached a junction where Dulverton was signposted at 4 miles away! That said, we quickly sped to Minehead from there and Amanda showed a lot of driving skill on the narrow roads between these hamlets. I think there were about 7 of us who got off in Minehead; I know that @RELL6L has enjoyed the 198/398 to Minehead but has he experienced the 678 - it's not just hidden, it's almost buried!


Minehead and the Community Bus - a lovely 90 min ramble


Well patronised Coasters pass near Barbrook


What this meant was I arrived early into Minehead and that I could catch the next Exmoor Coaster to Ilfracombe; basically, I would be into the North Devon resort two hours earlier than planned. I waited outside the Coop in Minehead that is actually built on the site of the former bus station/depot. A former Abellio/Go Coach e400, converted to open top but retaining dual doors arrived on time. There were no seats available up top and only a few on the lower deck; I got one of those but there were about 5 standing. We set off and lost a couple of local passengers at Porlock but then gained a few more too. A full standing load is a testimony to how popular the Exmo has become. Last time (in 2021), I experienced the route to Lynmouth on a Scania. Have to say that the e400 was equally as well driven by our pilot (very impressive) but I did feel sorry for him. The e400 had power and could've climbed Porlock Hill steadily had it been able to hold a gear. Managing the steepest inclines ok, on the less steep bits it would climb and gain speed, jump up a gear, lose revs and momentum, and then kick back down, doing this several times on the ascent. However, once it had got to the top, it performed well and we were treated to the purple heather of Exmoor and the coastal views across the Bristol Channel. It is a stunning bit of scenery and I'd recommend it to anyone. We then had the descent of Countisbury Hill where our driver skilfully handled the enviro and into Lynmouth car park, engine fan whirring wildly. Cue most of the passengers leaving, I headed upstairs for the remainder of the route. I'd not travelled this route before - 2021 was only to Lynmouth whilst 2022 had seen a Sunseeker service introduced using e200s between Lynmouth and Ilfracombe, confidence was rewarded as 2023 high season has Exmo extended to Ilfracombe on five journeys. We had over 30 on the top deck and probably about 15-20 below - a very decent figure as we climbed out of Lynmouth (omitting Lynton despite the route branding as the route wasn't deemed achievable) and then headed up through Barbrook following the valley. There is then a quite open bit of route to Blackmoor Gate where two Filers vehicles on the Lynton to Barnstaple route were parked up waiting time. Sadly, despite the narrow gauge railway and the Combe Martin Dinosaur Park, we didn't actually stop for passengers at all until nearly at Ilfracombe - perhaps the marketing on this part of the route could be a bit better? Still, the vehicles themselves are a highly visible mobile billboard for the route and it's great to see the route prospering; glad I got to travel on it before the route winds down a bit for autumn and Ilfracombe loses its link til next year.


L&B Steam Railway near Parracombe


The view over Combe Martin



Looking up the coast from Hele Bay


Ilfracombe is a hillside town. I peered from the e400 into the harbour far below. That area is lovely but I'm not a huge fan of the town. Fancying a sandwich from a shop on the high street, I exited and waited for the 301 to Barnstaple. Last time on this route (in 2019), I had a Filers Streetlite WF. They relinquished the service in December. It's now with Stagecoach who use a couple of Rail Link branded e200s on it. The 301 is a curious service - as in 2019, loadings in the middle of the day seem quite healthy. It is the fast service, avoiding the large villages of Chivenor and Braunton on the main coastal route, and it serves the hospital and yet it has been supported for many a year. As ever, a few well patronised journeys doesn't equal a sustainable commercial route but it's is a pleasant enough ride.


My raillink 301 seen in Combe Martin

Barnstaple is another town that feels like it's struggling - lots of closed commercial premises despite it being the main town in the area. I had chance to rest and wander around. The bus operations seem to mirror the town. Stagecoach are the main operator and are decent enough yet the fleet is increasingly aged. One of four surviving Darts was working the Georgeham route, most of the fleet are e400s of which the newest are the 2013 North Devon Wave vehicles; doesn't feel like Barnstaple will see much investment and indeed, the newest vehicle I saw was a sole 2014 e200. The bus station is also moderately depressing. Built in 1999, there is a two storey office block, with Stagecoach welfare facilities (and offices?) on the first floor. The bottom floor where toilets, a travel office, and a cafe once existed, are just locked up with some passive aggressive signage. There is the potential for something much better than what is there now, which is nothing! The bus station is a bit jaded but Devon County Council do make sure that the timetables and signage is correct so you can find your bus. I was getting the 155 that used to run Barnstaple - South Molton - Tiverton - Exeter. However, since I last travelled in 2021, it has been dismembered. An hourly 155 runs to South Molton but onward to Tiverton is now a tendered 346. I was carefully checking the 346 but happy it had left Tiverton, I was confident enough to get on the 155. It was a 15 year old e400, not in bad shape but looking a bit faded. With about 15 passengers on, we headed to South Molton and a climb from the coast into the hills.


Barnstaple bus station - drivers need facilities but what about passengers?

It was a fairly uneventful, but not unpleasant trip to South Molton - it's a lovely little town with a selection of Georgian and Victorian architecture. I could see on BusTimes that my Solo was still tracking so was happy to await it and not head back to Barnstaple and my back up plan of rail trips to avoid being stuck in North Devon. What happened next was quite interesting. The 155 driver had done the extension to Mill on the Mole (!) and was sat back in South Molton on the e400. I assumed he was waiting for connecting passengers for the 346 but no...the drivers do a changeover in the town. So my 346 was being operated by Barnstaple depot (I think), and my 155 driver duly took charge of the venerable 19 year old Solo whose outgoing pilot then took the 155 Enviro. My Solo had seen better days (and still had Covid era notices) though the capacity was fine for the 4 passengers who it took and it was in fairly good order. I was the only one on board from just after Witheridge into Tiverton so not a shock it isn't commercial and I guess a fully depreciated Solo is about what it justifies. I was on the home straight now and the grey morning skies were now replaced with lovely late summer sunshine. I like Tiverton and it seems more buoyant than the North Devon towns.


My 346 arrives in South Molton - a very attractive town

My penultimate bus trip was on the 373. Like the 346, this is a recent Devon CC intervention after a Stagecoach withdrawal and we headed to Tiverton Parkway on a rather nice e400mmc; one that was new to Exeter Park and Ride services. We headed out and through some archetypal Devon rural scenery, including a rather odd double run and reverse in Sampford Peverell, before arriving at Parkway where a good number of passengers were waiting to go onward to Cullompton. Then my second bit of luck - rather than a 30 min wait, a late running Paddington train would arrive in 7 mins to take me to Taunton. Also, not certain what was running, or perhaps my visit had been publicised, but there were camera toting rail enthusiasts all the way on the line north. It's only a short hop and I could almost see my car on arriving into Taunton, though knowing that it wouldn't be that easy.

On arriving into Taunton station, I headed out to catch a bus to retrieve my car. Thankfully, I had about 10 mins to wait for a Minehead service. I think BSIP money is behind a £1 local fare in Taunton and I do hope that, and some money for limited evening services, does help to stem the decline in bus services in the town. It feels like the bus war between First and Webberbus was like two bald men arguing over a comb, and First's victory was pyrrhic. Still, they are promoting the fare deal and I hope it does help. The 28 was operated by one of the ex Glasgow e300s, now 12 years old and perhaps needing replacement soon? It duly deposited me on the edge of town and a short walk to discover my car wasn't also now a smouldering wreck! Phew!

Observations - First Buses of Somerset is a bit of a zombie firm. The Exmoor Coaster is a superb route and a real success story, and they've been well rewarded for the entrepreneurial approach of Alex Carter and Marc Morgan Huws. Now they've both gone, I hope they don't lose focus as the route is clearly well patronised from what I saw. The rest of the operation is really concerning and seems to be in ever decreasing circles. Perhaps a bit of BSIP money, closing Bridgwater depot, etc might be able to stabilise things but even in the AC/MMH era, Somerset bus services declined markedly with even the Taunton locals becoming rather skeletal and infrequent.

Stagecoach South West is a decent operation. It's better than First, much better, but the lack of investment is becoming really noticeable. Painting Darts and old e400s into the awful 2020 livery won't get away from the fact that the fleet is aging. I'd also say that every service operated reliably with the 301 being ten mins late being the only quibble.

I'd certainly recommend the Exmo, but get the 25 from Dulverton to Taunton whilst you can. Same with the 346 - a raucous fun trip through the Devon countryside. Hope this isn't too indulgent and whilst Ilfracombe disappears off the Exmo this week, the Eastern half of the route continues into the winter and boy, it is great. I'd definitely recommend to you that you do it.
Thanks for a fascinating report @TheGrandWazoo

I have indeed been on what was then the 398 right through from Minehead to Tiverton, it was the journey diverting via Winscombe but I've certainly never been to the places on the Exmoor Community Bus - frankly I wasn't even aware of it's existence! I was aware the 25 was double deck - although I cannot imagine why (presumably school loads?). I did this when it ran through to South Molton and Barnstaple, but not many other passengers did! I'd like to do the 25 again and spend time at Bampton and Dulverton but there aren't many options onwards now. I agree the route looks like it could be under threat, use it while you can.

Glad to see again that the Exmoor Coaster is doing well including the section through to Ilfracombe. A full load on the seventh outward journey of the day is pretty impressive, although this is one of the journeys that has started at Hoburne. Its a shame they can't serve Lynton because this is actually a really attractive small town. And you'd have thought buses set to use Porlock Hill would have the ability to be held in gear to avoid the situation you describe, similarly on the downward journey. It is attractive from Lynton on to Combe Martin but a bit too far from the coast for people to get off and walk there, shame it isn't used for Combe Martin though. I like Ilfracombe, I've always thought it had a good feel around the harbour. I agree Barnstaple has gone downhill, I remember being at the bus station when competition between First and Stagecoach was in full swing and it was very active, with a good cafe and travel information. Still OK by the river but the shopping area is not so good. Yes the 301 is a funny route, inland from the main drag but actually quicker, but not taking advantage of that. I suppose the 21 is the premium route and Stagecoach want to keep people on that.

I agree on South Molton, a charming town, and Tiverton isn't bad. I took the 155 a while back through from Barnstaple to Tiverton, it was the evening college run and had plenty of people travelling beyond South Molton to the villages, that doesn't even look like a decent connection now. The 373 is what used to be part of the 1 through from Tiverton to Exeter, if it is that uneconomic how come it seems to be run entirely with double deckers? Its quite scenic beyong the station through Uffculme.

I have a very similar trip planned on my 'in-tray' but it is quite a long day if you aren't blessed with an unexpected community bus because you wouldn't otherwise get to Ilfracombe until after 3pm. I was thinking of taking the train back from Barnstaple to Taunton but its still12 hours. It won't be this season - maybe next if it all survives.

Incidentally you beat me to it - I have a trip to report after nearly two months without! Hopefully I will post later today so keep watch - it may of course be added to this post....
 

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A bit of memory lane for me there - thank you very much, enjoyed hugely. My memories were from the late 1960s, so getting pretty hazy now, but I was particularly interested in your comments on a Co-Op being built on the site of the depot/bus station in Minehead. I well remember the 11 p.m. 'special' that left there on a Saturday night for Dunster and beyond, invariably worked by one of Minehead's two Lodekkas, the FLF, with the male conductor aged about 20, a year or two older than me, who always volunteered for this duty with two thirds of the passengers being teenage females! The driver looked like Jack from 'On The Buses' who leered from his cab as those passengers got on or off at the front entrance! Happy days.
From what I have gleaned, the Minehead bus station and depot was conceived at a time when bus patronage was already falling, and by the time of construction, it was quite grand for a declining market. I think it went about 1980, and reduced to a very small outstation. It probably has more buses allocated there now than since the 1970s albeit in a secure yard.
As for the Taunton bus gate, if it is the same one featured on the local BBC Spotlight programme a few years ago, it was put in to stop cars primarily. When it got ignored at first, the positioning of a camera there and 100 fines a day being issued by the local council soon spread the message!
I think that's the one in Monkton Heathfield. There are a few on the outskirts of Taunton, as there's one near the Falcon stop. Shame that the town itself is so car centric, and that First has been rather complicit in that.
The 373 is what used to be part of the 1 through from Tiverton to Exeter, if it is that uneconomic how come it seems to be run entirely with double deckers? Its quite scenic beyong the station through Uffculme.
It's an odd one. Even in the 1990s, it was tendered with Red Bus having deckers allocated to it (incl 3 brand new Olympians). Again, I assume it's a schools/college thing?
I have a very similar trip planned on my 'in-tray' but it is quite a long day if you aren't blessed with an unexpected community bus because you wouldn't otherwise get to Ilfracombe until after 3pm. I was thinking of taking the train back from Barnstaple to Taunton but its still12 hours. It won't be this season - maybe next if it all survives.
That was my original plan before God intervened. Get into Barnstaple at 1615 and then train to Exeter and then to Taunton. Getting two hours back in the schedule definitely helped
Yes the 301 is a funny route, inland from the main drag but actually quicker, but not taking advantage of that. I suppose the 21 is the premium route and Stagecoach want to keep people on that.
Think the 21 has the advantage of going through Braunton etc and those are significant traffic generators. The 301 is faster but there's just not enough trade to sustain it as it is a bit rural on leaving Ilfracombe.

At least you can now post @RELL6L without merging posts :D
 

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At least you can now post @RELL6L without merging posts :D
Thank you!

I’ve been getting pretty fed up with the poor weather recently so when I day came when the skies cleared and it fitted with my commitments I headed out on Wednesday. The best weather was on the south coast so that’s where I headed to travel a few routes I had not done before, and some I had.

My starting point this time was Dorking, a town I knew reasonably well from London Country days in the 1970s, although the bus garage there has long been replaced by flats. A route that just did not exist at this time though was to Crawley, there was no connection between these two towns until much more recently. I took the Metrobus 22, an 07-plate E200, across pretty empty countryside and small, well-heeled villages, I was the only passenger from Dorking and was joined by one other at Leigh. Several more joined at Charlwood, most alighting in Horley, possibly to get the train. Several more passengers joined at Gatwick, some for Crawley but many others for City Place, a small business park before the main Manor Royal Industrial area. We changed drivers in Manor Royal and passed a Streetlite being attended to by fitters and I also saw a couple of the new Kite Hydroliners out on the 10, but there don’t appear to be many out at any one time.

My half hour in Crawley was mainly devoted to sustenance, visiting the local Greggs to get some breakfast and buy a sandwich for lunch. The bus station seemed to be all Metrobus with a variety of vehicles from their fleet. While Dorking hadn’t changed much, the centre of Crawley was unrecognisable from the 1970s and London Country Swifts and Atlanteans were long gone. My next bus was 6967, a Scania OmniCity double decker on the 273. Looking at BusTimes the vehicle was in two places at once for much of Wednesday and still is today. I don’t know what the other one was because mine certainly was 6967. We had quite a few passengers heading for Brighton to enjoy the £2 each way day out – a real bargain on a long route like this. The 273 heads out of Crawley, darts on and off the A23, then turns east to go through the picturesque village on Hurstpierpoint and on to the less attractive small town of Hassocks, where I alighted. Not unpleasant but nothing noteworthy and the buildings were not as good as in Hurstpierpoint.

From Hassocks I took the train south to Shoreham by Sea, one of my favourite south coast small towns. The station is not quite by the front, there is a level crossing next to it which lifted after my train left but then descended again after literally about 3 cars going through. I walked through the bustling town centre with many enjoying the sunshine drinking and dining outside to arrive at the front by the bridge across to the Shoreham Beach peninsula. This is a really pleasant area with a mixture of old and new buildings.

My next leg was on the Coastliner 700 to Worthing, a service running every 12 minutes with pretty new E400 MMC double deckers. My journey was a classic example of what can go wrong on a frequent service. I had been watching my intended trip and saw that it departed Brighton about 2 minutes late despite having arrived on time. By Hove it was 4 minutes late, Portslade 7 minutes and by the time it arrived at Shoreham it was 8 minutes late. This was a busy journey with lots of passengers boarding and alighting all the way along, mainly enjoying the sunshine of the day. As this is a frequent route, passengers just turn up, so a bus 20 minutes after the previous journey will have many more passengers than one on the standard 12 minute interval, while a following journey perhaps now only 4 minutes behind won’t carry many at all. So it was with us as, by the time we got into the Worthing one-way system, we were 14 minutes late and had been caught by the bus behind. I alighted here but I see that my journey made it to Littlehampton about 14 minutes late and had been overtaken by the following journey. It must be really difficult to keep services this frequent running regularly to time.

I didn’t have long at Worthing so I strode through the pedestrian street in the town centre, again fully occupied with al fresco drinkers and diners to reach the town centre stops in South Street. My next leg was on the long service 1 to Midhurst. I had done parts of this before and visited all the towns on the route, but not strung them together. My bus was an E200 which I think is the normal fare on the route, with several passengers leaving Worthing and a few others joining and leaving along the way. The route goes through Findon, Washington, Storrington, Pulborough and Petworth. We were a little delayed by a road closure on the edge of Worthing but we then kept up a reasonable pace and were five minutes late arriving in Petworth. Here the driver announced he was parched and went off to buy a drink, so we left Petworth and arrived in Midhurst ten minutes late. Not sure how professional that is!

In theory at Midhurst I had a 7 minute connection or a 37 minute one onto the 60 through the South Downs to Chichester. Midhurst is a gorgeous small town, a real gem, but I had been round it pretty comprehensively on previous trips so I didn't need to linger if it didn't fit with the next bus - but I would not be bored if I did. I had decided that I would wait for the 37 minute one unless that was either not running or a single decker, but it seemed academic as I was going to miss the first one anyway. Annoyingly the later one was indeed a single decker, but luckily for me the earlier one was running 15 minutes late so I decided to get both. The earlier one was a splendid old 04-plate Trident making all the right noises and I took this through the most scenic part of the South Downs as far as West Dean. I alighted here for just 15 minutes, time to stroll into the village briefly, before the E300 running the later journey came along and took this into Chichester. Not a huge number of passengers on either. This route used to be high profile with double deckers in a splendid green ‘South Downs Connections’ livery, there are still two but neither of them were out on the route this day.

The E300 on the 60 had replaced a ‘distance liveried’ E400 earlier in the day, the E400 having been reassigned to run shuttles between the city centre and bus station to connect with the 52/53 to the Witterings due to earlier delays, so I was told by the driver. Chichester is lovely but awful for traffic, not just with two busy level crossings but also the horrendous queues at some of the roundabouts on the bypass – long marked for improvement but nothing ever happens. Looking at BusTimes the 52 and 53 had been taking a long time to cross the bypass in the morning, perhaps the sunny day made the traffic worse than normal. This was my planned route so I took the shuttle to the bus station – even I didn’t go upstairs on this! We were delayed by the level crossing but dropped off in the bus station and the handful of passengers were directed round the side to the stop at the front. A few minutes later a distance liveried E300 turned up on the 53, having come through the town. The bus had a good turn of speed and the driver a heavy right foot – but safely – and although we left Chichester about 10 minutes late the bus was early by the time it got back round the loop. I had kept an open mind about getting off at East Wittering but when we got near there were no other 52 or 53 buses showing on BusTimes as having left Chichester to come round the loop either way, so I bottled it and stayed on all the way round. In fact there was a 52 which appeared later on the map, with it being a circular route its very difficult to fathom out exactly what time it was where. Anyway East Wittering isn’t the most exciting place, I had been there before (but not round the loop), so I carried on. I alighted before the bypass on the way back and walked to the canal and into the city via the canal basin, an attractive entrance.

I had a few more minutes to wander round the streets of Chichester and saw a couple of the brand new E400 MMCs on the Portsmouth and Littlehampton legs of the 700 and went up to the cathedral briefly before heading back towards home, the next leg being a train up the Arun valley to Horsham. This was surprisingly quick, stopping only at Barnham, while at Horsham it then joined together with the stopping train which had preceded it up the valley. The traffic in Horsham was busy as I walked into the town centre at Carfax, from where I took a Metrobus E200 on the 93 back up to Dorking. This is another attractive route, partly on the A24 but diverting to serve villages such as Capel. Approaching Dorking it took two further diversions into estates, probably adding 10 minutes to the overall journey. In times past these would have been served by town services, indeed there was one to Goodwyns Farm as I recall, the other estate being new. Town services have fallen away dramatically in recent years and maybe the combination makes sense but the time taken must annoy through passengers and be at least one straw towards potentially driving them away. The driver announced that he had been instructed not to stop at the White Horse due to road works so the passengers for that stop alighted at the one before. But at the White Horse there were passengers for the station (and no road works) so we did stop and they were duly picked up! And so back to the station where I had parked.

Not the most exciting trip I have done but one that fitted in well with the best of the weather and other constraints in a part I hadn’t visited for a few years. Good to see some investment both by Metrobus with the hydrogen buses and a generally pretty modern fleet, also new E400 MMCs at Stagecoach, although some of the Stagecoach fleet is ageing a bit and it was surprising to see an 04-reg Trident still in all day service in the school holidays.

As usual I took some photos:

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Dorking

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Shoreham by Sea

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Shoreham by Sea

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Worthing

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The South Downs from the 60

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West Dean

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Chichester canal basin

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Chichester cross

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Horsham
 
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It's been a month since my last trip. Of course, there's lots of ones that I'd like to do but one in particular has been in my thoughts for a bit. Hence, it was the reclaiming of a day in lieu that allowed me to take Thursday off...and that was a stroke of luck as you'll discover. drove to Taunton, and wanting a nice safe place to park, chose Silk Mills P&R, handy for my first journey. On arriving, I discovered that the police were present as seven council minibuses had been burnt out in the compound next door in a suspected arson attack. I still took the risk in parking, walking to Great Western Way (near the Berrys Coaches depot). Oddly for such a car centric town, there is a bus gate in the centre of the housing estate though I think that's more to stop car using it as a rat run?

I was heading to the Exmoor town of Dulverton. Surprisingly, it was operated by a double decker - one of the ex London/Leicester/Weston e400s that Buses of Somerset have, now repainted in a new, lurid green livery. The 25 is a superb service - a real hidden gem though better views are afforded to Taunton (as I experienced about 10 years ago on a Dart). On leaving Taunton, it's lush countryside before a loop in Cotford St Luke - a car dominated development on the site of the old Tone Vale County Asylum - with some unforgiving road humps. Then you begin the scenic climb though only about 4 people shared it with me (not surprisingly). Milverton provided delays with parked cars, and then we passed a farm with over 30-40 Jaguars in varying states of decay parked out the front. We then continued up to Wiveliscombe though the 25 bypasses the main street. Traditionally, the service continued from here to Maundown village but in the early 2000s, Rural Bus Challenge money saw an extension over to Barnstaple (!) and whilst that no longer exists, the service continues to Dulverton. By this point, the landscape feels more Devon like - the soil is red, the rolling hills feel less like Somerset and then you cross the county boundary into the small town of Bampton where we picked up another passenger. We then traversed some very narrow roads before arriving into Dulverton at 8:45

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Dulverton

Dulverton on a summer Thursday morning isn't kicking. The cafes weren't open but the shop could do me a coffee before I waited the near 90 mins for my 198 to Minehead before divine intervention. Walking past a shop now used as a community notice board, I saw a poster citing the return of the Exmoor Community Bus service to Minehead...on a Thursday...at 0915. I checked BusTimes - nothing. I went to the stop - a notice there saying it was postponed because of Covid. I looked on their website - it said it runs but nothing inspired confidence and it did say to ring the night before to book your seat. It was 09:10 so thought I had nothing to lose...and at 09:19, the 678 to Minehead did indeed arrive. A 16 seat Iveco minibus driven by volunteer Amanda - I flagged her down, confessed I'd not booked and could I travel. She said it's the long way round (but I knew I'd beat the 198), and there was room so I paid the £2 and sat down. We weaved around various places like Skilgate and Brompton Regis, past Wimbleball Lake etc. Amanda pointed out some nice views for me, the locals knew each other and were chatting away. After an hour, we reached a junction where Dulverton was signposted at 4 miles away! That said, we quickly sped to Minehead from there and Amanda showed a lot of driving skill on the narrow roads between these hamlets. I think there were about 7 of us who got off in Minehead; I know that @RELL6L has enjoyed the 198/398 to Minehead but has he experienced the 678 - it's not just hidden, it's almost buried!

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Minehead and the Community Bus - a lovely 90 min ramble

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Well patronised Coasters pass near Barbrook

What this meant was I arrived early into Minehead and that I could catch the next Exmoor Coaster to Ilfracombe; basically, I would be into the North Devon resort two hours earlier than planned. I waited outside the Coop in Minehead that is actually built on the site of the former bus station/depot. A former Abellio/Go Coach e400, converted to open top but retaining dual doors arrived on time. There were no seats available up top and only a few on the lower deck; I got one of those but there were about 5 standing. We set off and lost a couple of local passengers at Porlock but then gained a few more too. A full standing load is a testimony to how popular the Exmo has become. Last time (in 2021), I experienced the route to Lynmouth on a Scania. Have to say that the e400 was equally as well driven by our pilot (very impressive) but I did feel sorry for him. The e400 had power and could've climbed Porlock Hill steadily had it been able to hold a gear. Managing the steepest inclines ok, on the less steep bits it would climb and gain speed, jump up a gear, lose revs and momentum, and then kick back down, doing this several times on the ascent. However, once it had got to the top, it performed well and we were treated to the purple heather of Exmoor and the coastal views across the Bristol Channel. It is a stunning bit of scenery and I'd recommend it to anyone. We then had the descent of Countisbury Hill where our driver skilfully handled the enviro and into Lynmouth car park, engine fan whirring wildly. Cue most of the passengers leaving, I headed upstairs for the remainder of the route. I'd not travelled this route before - 2021 was only to Lynmouth whilst 2022 had seen a Sunseeker service introduced using e200s between Lynmouth and Ilfracombe, confidence was rewarded as 2023 high season has Exmo extended to Ilfracombe on five journeys. We had over 30 on the top deck and probably about 15-20 below - a very decent figure as we climbed out of Lynmouth (omitting Lynton despite the route branding as the route wasn't deemed achievable) and then headed up through Barbrook following the valley. There is then a quite open bit of route to Blackmoor Gate where two Filers vehicles on the Lynton to Barnstaple route were parked up waiting time. Sadly, despite the narrow gauge railway and the Combe Martin Dinosaur Park, we didn't actually stop for passengers at all until nearly at Ilfracombe - perhaps the marketing on this part of the route could be a bit better? Still, the vehicles themselves are a highly visible mobile billboard for the route and it's great to see the route prospering; glad I got to travel on it before the route winds down a bit for autumn and Ilfracombe loses its link til next year.

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L&B Steam Railway near Parracombe

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The view over Combe Martin

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Looking up the coast from Hele Bay


Ilfracombe is a hillside town. I peered from the e400 into the harbour far below. That area is lovely but I'm not a huge fan of the town. Fancying a sandwich from a shop on the high street, I exited and waited for the 301 to Barnstaple. Last time on this route (in 2019), I had a Filers Streetlite WF. They relinquished the service in December. It's now with Stagecoach who use a couple of Rail Link branded e200s on it. The 301 is a curious service - as in 2019, loadings in the middle of the day seem quite healthy. It is the fast service, avoiding the large villages of Chivenor and Braunton on the main coastal route, and it serves the hospital and yet it has been supported for many a year. As ever, a few well patronised journeys doesn't equal a sustainable commercial route but it's is a pleasant enough ride.

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My raillink 301 seen in Combe Martin

Barnstaple is another town that feels like it's struggling - lots of closed commercial premises despite it being the main town in the area. I had chance to rest and wander around. The bus operations seem to mirror the town. Stagecoach are the main operator and are decent enough yet the fleet is increasingly aged. One of four surviving Darts was working the Georgeham route, most of the fleet are e400s of which the newest are the 2013 North Devon Wave vehicles; doesn't feel like Barnstaple will see much investment and indeed, the newest vehicle I saw was a sole 2014 e200. The bus station is also moderately depressing. Built in 1999, there is a two storey office block, with Stagecoach welfare facilities (and offices?) on the first floor. The bottom floor where toilets, a travel office, and a cafe once existed, are just locked up with some passive aggressive signage. There is the potential for something much better than what is there now, which is nothing! The bus station is a bit jaded but Devon County Council do make sure that the timetables and signage is correct so you can find your bus. I was getting the 155 that used to run Barnstaple - South Molton - Tiverton - Exeter. However, since I last travelled in 2021, it has been dismembered. An hourly 155 runs to South Molton but onward to Tiverton is now a tendered 346. I was carefully checking the 346 but happy it had left Tiverton, I was confident enough to get on the 155. It was a 15 year old e400, not in bad shape but looking a bit faded. With about 15 passengers on, we headed to South Molton and a climb from the coast into the hills.

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Barnstaple bus station - drivers need facilities but what about passengers?

It was a fairly uneventful, but not unpleasant trip to South Molton - it's a lovely little town with a selection of Georgian and Victorian architecture. I could see on BusTimes that my Solo was still tracking so was happy to await it and not head back to Barnstaple and my back up plan of rail trips to avoid being stuck in North Devon. What happened next was quite interesting. The 155 driver had done the extension to Mill on the Mole (!) and was sat back in South Molton on the e400. I assumed he was waiting for connecting passengers for the 346 but no...the drivers do a changeover in the town. So my 346 was being operated by Barnstaple depot (I think), and my 155 driver duly took charge of the venerable 19 year old Solo whose outgoing pilot then took the 155 Enviro. My Solo had seen better days (and still had Covid era notices) though the capacity was fine for the 4 passengers who it took and it was in fairly good order. I was the only one on board from just after Witheridge into Tiverton so not a shock it isn't commercial and I guess a fully depreciated Solo is about what it justifies. I was on the home straight now and the grey morning skies were now replaced with lovely late summer sunshine. I like Tiverton and it seems more buoyant than the North Devon towns.

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My 346 arrives in South Molton - a very attractive town

My penultimate bus trip was on the 373. Like the 346, this is a recent Devon CC intervention after a Stagecoach withdrawal and we headed to Tiverton Parkway on a rather nice e400mmc; one that was new to Exeter Park and Ride services. We headed out and through some archetypal Devon rural scenery, including a rather odd double run and reverse in Sampford Peverell, before arriving at Parkway where a good number of passengers were waiting to go onward to Cullompton. Then my second bit of luck - rather than a 30 min wait, a late running Paddington train would arrive in 7 mins to take me to Taunton. Also, not certain what was running, or perhaps my visit had been publicised, but there were camera toting rail enthusiasts all the way on the line north. It's only a short hop and I could almost see my car on arriving into Taunton, though knowing that it wouldn't be that easy.

On arriving into Taunton station, I headed out to catch a bus to retrieve my car. Thankfully, I had about 10 mins to wait for a Minehead service. I think BSIP money is behind a £1 local fare in Taunton and I do hope that, and some money for limited evening services, does help to stem the decline in bus services in the town. It feels like the bus war between First and Webberbus was like two bald men arguing over a comb, and First's victory was pyrrhic. Still, they are promoting the fare deal and I hope it does help. The 28 was operated by one of the ex Glasgow e300s, now 12 years old and perhaps needing replacement soon? It duly deposited me on the edge of town and a short walk to discover my car wasn't also now a smouldering wreck! Phew!

Observations - First Buses of Somerset is a bit of a zombie firm. The Exmoor Coaster is a superb route and a real success story, and they've been well rewarded for the entrepreneurial approach of Alex Carter and Marc Morgan Huws. Now they've both gone, I hope they don't lose focus as the route is clearly well patronised from what I saw. The rest of the operation is really concerning and seems to be in ever decreasing circles. Perhaps a bit of BSIP money, closing Bridgwater depot, etc might be able to stabilise things but even in the AC/MMH era, Somerset bus services declined markedly with even the Taunton locals becoming rather skeletal and infrequent.

Stagecoach South West is a decent operation. It's better than First, much better, but the lack of investment is becoming really noticeable. Painting Darts and old e400s into the awful 2020 livery won't get away from the fact that the fleet is aging. I'd also say that every service operated reliably with the 301 being ten mins late being the only quibble.

I'd certainly recommend the Exmo, but get the 25 from Dulverton to Taunton whilst you can. Same with the 346 - a raucous fun trip through the Devon countryside. Hope this isn't too indulgent and whilst Ilfracombe disappears off the Exmo this week, the Eastern half of the route continues into the winter and boy, it is great. I'd definitely recommend to you that you do it.
I enjoyed your description of your circular trip from Taunton. A couple of comments if I may.

Both the 301 and 345 are comparatively recent routes, certainly they did not exist pre deregulation and were possibly introduced by Devon County Council using Rural Bus Grant money in the late 1990s.

A Southern National timetable for 1962 shows a 131 Ilfracombe to Bude service via Muddiford in summer but only to Barnstaple in winter of one journey e/w but enhanced on Tuesdays, Fridays and Saturdays over the southern part of the route. This service was presumably withdrawn late 1960s. Market day operation continued over the Muddiford to Barnstaple section but by 1980 this was Fridays only with the bus service running from West Down.

The 345 and predecessors has always been a thin service. Historically, Witheridge was the terminus for Southern National from South Molton and Devon General from Tiverton. Connections between the two were often poor. I have a leaflet from 1977 which heralds the start of a new service between South Molton and Tiverton. It consisted of one journey each way on a Tuesday, market day in Tiverton.

I suspect that neither of these two routes have ever been commercial as such and will forever require local authority funding.
 

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I enjoyed your description of your circular trip from Taunton. A couple of comments if I may.

Both the 301 and 345 are comparatively recent routes, certainly they did not exist pre deregulation and were possibly introduced by Devon County Council using Rural Bus Grant money in the late 1990s.

A Southern National timetable for 1962 shows a 131 Ilfracombe to Bude service via Muddiford in summer but only to Barnstaple in winter of one journey e/w but enhanced on Tuesdays, Fridays and Saturdays over the southern part of the route. This service was presumably withdrawn late 1960s. Market day operation continued over the Muddiford to Barnstaple section but by 1980 this was Fridays only with the bus service running from West Down.

The 345 and predecessors has always been a thin service. Historically, Witheridge was the terminus for Southern National from South Molton and Devon General from Tiverton. Connections between the two were often poor. I have a leaflet from 1977 which heralds the start of a new service between South Molton and Tiverton. It consisted of one journey each way on a Tuesday, market day in Tiverton.

I suspect that neither of these two routes have ever been commercial as such and will forever require local authority funding.
Thanks for that. I didn't appreciate that the 301 had been quite so parlous in the past. However, it certainly changed at some time; I thought that it had been part of the initial post de-reg springboard for Filers but I may be misremembering. According to the 1997 Great British Bus timetable, Filers had an hourly 302 service (perhaps 301 was their Braunton route?) whilst Red Bus were also hourly on their 6 but only between Ilfracombe and Barnstaple so I wonder if that was a spoiler in retailiation? Obviously, it would have been commercial then so perhaps it was a limited quicker route that Filers took on under tender and then grew it?

The 155 from Tiverton to Barnstaple was, I think, something that came about later, perhaps with the twirly pass. Again, the 346 in 1997 was a Red Bus service but I know in Devon General days, they outbased vehicles in Witheridge Square so that chimes with your observations. The 346 was just a few market day routes in 1997 and I agree that it'll never be a commercial enterprise; it's very thin territory.
 

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Thanks for that. I didn't appreciate that the 301 had been quite so parlous in the past. However, it certainly changed at some time; I thought that it had been part of the initial post de-reg springboard for Filers but I may be misremembering. According to the 1997 Great British Bus timetable, Filers had an hourly 302 service (perhaps 301 was their Braunton route?) whilst Red Bus were also hourly on their 6 but only between Ilfracombe and Barnstaple so I wonder if that was a spoiler in retailiation? Obviously, it would have been commercial then so perhaps it was a limited quicker route that Filers took on under tender and then grew it?

The 155 from Tiverton to Barnstaple was, I think, something that came about later, perhaps with the twirly pass. Again, the 346 in 1997 was a Red Bus service but I know in Devon General days, they outbased vehicles in Witheridge Square so that chimes with your observations. The 346 was just a few market day routes in 1997 and I agree that it'll never be a commercial enterprise; it's very thin territory.
Done a bit of digging today and found that it was North Devon (Red Bus) who introduced minibus services numbered 6, along today’s 301 on 1st June 1986 at an incredible 10 minute frequency daytime, hourly evenings and Sunday. It was part of their Rosie network of minibus routes. The traditional route between the two towns was all but abandoned. That is where Filer’s came in as they then started running between the two towns via Braunton later in June 1986.

I think that Devon General once had a small garage at Witheridge as the company acquired bus services in this area from the original Greenslades business.
 

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Thank you to @RELL6L for the photos and trip report. As ever, lovely sunny weather makes everywhere look lovely in @RELL6L snaps. As with @Flange Squeal and their trip to Petersfield, this area of East Hampshire/West Sussex is a place that I'm long overdue to visit. I mean, I've driven through the area, and I did visit Dorking and Crawley on a trip earlier this year - very taken with one town, less so with the other! However, I think that I last visited Worthing on the bus in the mid-1990s; the bus depot at Storrington was still there, rather than moved to Amberley. Just so many places to visit and hard to fit them in so I will get there sometime. It's simply easier to head to Devon or South Wales (which are also favourites) whilst getting all nostalgic in the North East!

Thanks also to @JKP and their digging. Clearly I got my Filers/Red Bus bit mixed up and it was a move from the Braunton route that opened up the market to Filers. That is incredible when you think that the 301 is tendered whilst the main route 21 goes through Braunton and Chivenor and is served with deckers. You're probably right about Witheridge but I think I recall seeing photos from the 1960s with a couple of vehicles just parked up in The Square as an outbase.
 

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Thanks to both @TheGrandWazoo and @RELL6L as always for their comprehensive trip reports. I'm envious of all of it, but in particular the community bus trip. I love those weekly services where you feel like you're intruding a little in the closed shop.
 

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The weather promised this week was too good not to take the opportunity to get out for a couple of days, although I didn’t realise quite how hot it was going to be. Sunday evening I headed north to be in position for a Monday morning start for a trip around Lincolnshire. I had swapped this into my ‘A list’ with another Lincolnshire trip due to improvements unexpectedly made possible by changes earlier in the year as explained below.

So I started in Market Rasen. The drive up from Lincoln was through fog although in Market Rasen it was clear. I had intended to take the first journey on the 53 south to Lincoln but this was an E200 and I could see that the second trip was going to be a Trident as this was heading north on the school 53A route. In fact it was not a school day – I guess it was an inset day at the Market Rasen school, but a decker was scheduled nonetheless. So I swapped one of my two hours planned in Lincoln for an hour in Market Rasen where an attractive bakery was just opening for the day, giving time for a decent breakfast and wander round the town. The 53 is odd on BusTimes as the timetable only shows the Lincoln based workings but both Lincoln and Grimsby workings show on the map and the vehicle data. My vehicle was a 53-plate Trident still being well used much of the time – great for a 20-year old vehicle. Heading back into Lincoln was still through the fog in places which I thought would have lifted by now but Lincoln was bathed in sunshine. I have been to Lincoln a few times before and it is a fantastic city. You need more than an hour to explore the cathedral and castle area properly and this time I restricted myself to the waterfront and lower part of the hill up to the cathedral.

My next leg was to head back north out of Lincoln on the Stagecoach 103 towards Scunthorpe. This was on an Enviro 300, standard fare for the route. This is a reasonably attractive route which includes RAF Scampton and a few villages on the edge of an escarpment, not hugely hilly but good for Lincolnshire, I had done this previously southbound all the way from Scunthorpe. We were on time until just before arrival at Kirton in Lindsey where, on a country lane, a large anonymous lorry was pumping into a tank alongside the road. It was apparent from the smell what was being pumped! I am sure the lorry had no right to block the road, the driver avoided any conversation or eye contact, our driver took a photo and passengers mentioned it had happened previously. We were delayed for about 7 minutes here before the driver of the lorry disconnected the pipe, got back into his cab and moved off. I alighted in Kirton Lindsey which I had identified on a previous trip as an attractive place which could not be seen properly without alighting. I had half an hour exploring this village which is mainly off the bus route and includes a decent village square – taken over by parked cars of course but seemingly quite bustling.

Going back to before the pandemic there was a Hornsby service 94 from here to Brigg but this was cut back to the next village of Redbourne, having been reinstated only recently. This was one of the changes making this trip possible again. In Kirton in Lindsey this starts at an unmarked bus stop opposite a pub at the edge of the village, circles the village and then heads off from opposite the pub on a different road. My bus was an E200, there was no-one on board when it arrived but I was joined by another passenger in the village and a handful more in other villages as we headed for Brigg. I don’t believe I had ever been to Brigg before and the centre of this small town is attractive with a fair number of Georgian buildings around the pedestrian area near the Buttercross and a crossing of a small river. Again going back a while there was a Stagecoach service to Barton on Humber running a few times between the peaks off a school run but this also ended during the pandemic. With credit to the Humber Transport blog for publicising the service in June, I learned that this had reappeared as the 96, run by a North Lincolnshire Council minibus with more of an all day service. This doesn’t track on BusTimes and is impossible to find on the council’s website, with the Humber Transport blog referring to regular updates and the possibility of withdrawal. It is clear from the timetable that the bus has a lunch break in Brigg from 12.12 until 1.30 and I was reassured to see a white minibus in the far corner of the adjacent carpark with a “96” sticker in the windscreen. Sure enough it came over to the bus stop just before 1.30 and I boarded together with two other passengers. This route goes through the Low Villages, a row of prosperous looking villages at the bottom of another not-very-steep slope. Although there had been no bus services for almost two years there were still shelters and some bus stops clearly had been adorned with timetables for the 96, but this is not good bus territory. There is also a demand responsive service in the area – Just Go North Lincs – although I didn’t see any sign of this and it doesn’t show on BusTimes. Maybe this would be better suited to the area, although of course it may be that earlier journeys had carried more passengers. The two others on my bus, like me, were going all the way to Barton on Humber where I alighted at the Market Place. Sadly I suspect the route – and the 94 to Kirton in Lindsey – will not last for long, like so many rural routes now.

Barton on Humber is another attractive town with a number of Georgian and Victorian buildings in a reasonably compact town centre and I had half an hour to wander around. I noticed the Stagecoach 255 from Hull to Wren Kitchens pass through with two double deckers bringing people in and then later taking others out either side of, presumably, shift change time. Both looked pretty busy and this is clearly a major employer attracting staff from miles around. My route out was the Stagecoach 250 to Grimsby. This used to be an hourly service but has been reduced to a less attractive timetable with three buses at hourly intervals then a 90 minute gap. On the face of it this saves one bus but there is essentially only one journey fewer between departures from Grimsby at 9.15 and 2.15, one would have thought a bus could be ‘borrowed’ from a peak hour service to enable this to continue hourly between the peaks with only half a driver duty extra. The route out of Barton took us past Wren Kitchens which is a massive factory, then through Barrow on Humber and through relatively unexciting villages and countryside into Grimsby, with a fast run on a 26xxx E200 MMC, I think with the larger engine. We had a reasonable load, it seemed most passengers were doing the full run from Hull to Grimsby.

I had been to Grimsby once before, in 2013, arriving from Louth and leaving to Saltfleet and taking an early DRT minibus from there to Mablethorpe. Since then the bus station had disappeared with building works ongoing. It has been replaced by the grandly named ‘Riverhead Exchange’, but that’s just a collection of on-street bus stops with little clue as to which bus stopped where and out of date bus information. This time I wanted to include Cleethorpes, somewhere I’d not been and I suspect I would never visit otherwise. The plan had been to head straight there via the main route on the 3, 9 or 10 but BusTimes indicated that there was no sign of any of them within the next few minutes. I had learned my routes so I knew which went were, not least to avoid ending up on a very roundabout route. At this point a double decker appeared on a late-running 6 to Cleethorpes and so I took this – this goes by a more ‘inland’ route by heading south then east rather than the other routes going east then south. I duly arrived at Cleethorpes by the pier with the area and beach packed with locals and day trippers (presumably) enjoying the sun. Not the world’s most attractive seaside resort but with the warm sun and without a cold easterly wind it was as good as it gets. I didn’t have long here and headed back to Grimsby on an E200 on the 10. The most prominent landmark in Grimsby is the Dock Tower which is unfortunately not accessible to the general public but visible in the distance from several places. For a relatively dead-end location, ie without through traffic and away from the lorry routes to the docks, there is a remarkable number of cars all over the Grimsby area with traffic lights with long red phases. The local network is quite complicated with some routes changing to others at Cleethorpes including quite a bit of regular interworking. Most of the local routes are run by E200 MMCs and much of Stagecoach’s small fleet of Volvo B7RLEs with a few older E400s allocated seemingly randomly on some of the town routes as well as longer distance routes.

Back in Grimsby I had a short wander around the town centre before heading back towards Market Rasen. In the evening peak there are two departures just 30 minutes apart and the first one was a fairly old E400 so I took this one out of the town. Although we left promptly and traffic was relatively light we got quite a few minutes late, compounded for some reason by going past Laceby on the bypass, coming through the village in the reverse direction, going back to Morrisons roundabout and then back on the bypass again making us 12 minutes late. Rather than head straight back to Market Rasen I alighted in Caistor for a short visit, it should have been half an hour but was probably only half that, but well worthwhile as Caistor is a bit of a gem and looked delightful in the early evening sunshine. I then returned on the last leg back to Market Rasen on a Lincoln E300 which was following at a much greater speed – in fact arriving later at Lincoln they were only 7 minutes apart.

An enjoyable day out in reasonably unfamiliar territory (except Lincoln) which all worked out pretty much according to plan. The route was only possible thanks to reinstatement of the Hornsbys 94 and the new North Lincs 96 service both at Brigg and I was pleased I had swapped this for my other Lincolnshire trip which I suspect is more likely to still be possible next year. A hot day but just a little breeze later making this more tolerable. From Market Rasen it was into the car to drive to…… (to be continued)…

Some photos as usual:

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Market Rasen

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Lincoln

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Lincoln

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Kirton in Lindsey

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Brigg

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Barton on Humber

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Cleethorpes

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Grimsby Dock Tower

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Caistor
 

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The weather promised this week was too good not to take the opportunity to get out for a couple of days, although I didn’t realise quite how hot it was going to be. Sunday evening I headed north to be in position for a Monday morning start for a trip around Lincolnshire. I had swapped this into my ‘A list’ with another Lincolnshire trip due to improvements unexpectedly made possible by changes earlier in the year as explained below.

So I started in Market Rasen. The drive up from Lincoln was through fog although in Market Rasen it was clear. I had intended to take the first journey on the 53 south to Lincoln but this was an E200 and I could see that the second trip was going to be a Trident as this was heading north on the school 53A route. In fact it was not a school day – I guess it was an inset day at the Market Rasen school, but a decker was scheduled nonetheless. So I swapped one of my two hours planned in Lincoln for an hour in Market Rasen where an attractive bakery was just opening for the day, giving time for a decent breakfast and wander round the town. The 53 is odd on BusTimes as the timetable only shows the Lincoln based workings but both Lincoln and Grimsby workings show on the map and the vehicle data. My vehicle was a 53-plate Trident still being well used much of the time – great for a 20-year old vehicle. Heading back into Lincoln was still through the fog in places which I thought would have lifted by now but Lincoln was bathed in sunshine. I have been to Lincoln a few times before and it is a fantastic city. You need more than an hour to explore the cathedral and castle area properly and this time I restricted myself to the waterfront and lower part of the hill up to the cathedral.

My next leg was to head back north out of Lincoln on the Stagecoach 103 towards Scunthorpe. This was on an Enviro 300, standard fare for the route. This is a reasonably attractive route which includes RAF Scampton and a few villages on the edge of an escarpment, not hugely hilly but good for Lincolnshire, I had done this previously southbound all the way from Scunthorpe. We were on time until just before arrival at Kirton in Lindsey where, on a country lane, a large anonymous lorry was pumping into a tank alongside the road. It was apparent from the smell what was being pumped! I am sure the lorry had no right to block the road, the driver avoided any conversation or eye contact, our driver took a photo and passengers mentioned it had happened previously. We were delayed for about 7 minutes here before the driver of the lorry disconnected the pipe, got back into his cab and moved off. I alighted in Kirton Lindsey which I had identified on a previous trip as an attractive place which could not be seen properly without alighting. I had half an hour exploring this village which is mainly off the bus route and includes a decent village square – taken over by parked cars of course but seemingly quite bustling.

Going back to before the pandemic there was a Hornsby service 94 from here to Brigg but this was cut back to the next village of Redbourne, having been reinstated only recently. This was one of the changes making this trip possible again. In Kirton in Lindsey this starts at an unmarked bus stop opposite a pub at the edge of the village, circles the village and then heads off from opposite the pub on a different road. My bus was an E200, there was no-one on board when it arrived but I was joined by another passenger in the village and a handful more in other villages as we headed for Brigg. I don’t believe I had ever been to Brigg before and the centre of this small town is attractive with a fair number of Georgian buildings around the pedestrian area near the Buttercross and a crossing of a small river. Again going back a while there was a Stagecoach service to Barton on Humber running a few times between the peaks off a school run but this also ended during the pandemic. With credit to the Humber Transport blog for publicising the service in June, I learned that this had reappeared as the 96, run by a North Lincolnshire Council minibus with more of an all day service. This doesn’t track on BusTimes and is impossible to find on the council’s website, with the Humber Transport blog referring to regular updates and the possibility of withdrawal. It is clear from the timetable that the bus has a lunch break in Brigg from 12.12 until 1.30 and I was reassured to see a white minibus in the far corner of the adjacent carpark with a “96” sticker in the windscreen. Sure enough it came over to the bus stop just before 1.30 and I boarded together with two other passengers. This route goes through the Low Villages, a row of prosperous looking villages at the bottom of another not-very-steep slope. Although there had been no bus services for almost two years there were still shelters and some bus stops clearly had been adorned with timetables for the 96, but this is not good bus territory. There is also a demand responsive service in the area – Just Go North Lincs – although I didn’t see any sign of this and it doesn’t show on BusTimes. Maybe this would be better suited to the area, although of course it may be that earlier journeys had carried more passengers. The two others on my bus, like me, were going all the way to Barton on Humber where I alighted at the Market Place. Sadly I suspect the route – and the 94 to Kirton in Lindsey – will not last for long, like so many rural routes now.

Barton on Humber is another attractive town with a number of Georgian and Victorian buildings in a reasonably compact town centre and I had half an hour to wander around. I noticed the Stagecoach 255 from Hull to Wren Kitchens pass through with two double deckers bringing people in and then later taking others out either side of, presumably, shift change time. Both looked pretty busy and this is clearly a major employer attracting staff from miles around. My route out was the Stagecoach 250 to Grimsby. This used to be an hourly service but has been reduced to a less attractive timetable with three buses at hourly intervals then a 90 minute gap. On the face of it this saves one bus but there is essentially only one journey fewer between departures from Grimsby at 9.15 and 2.15, one would have thought a bus could be ‘borrowed’ from a peak hour service to enable this to continue hourly between the peaks with only half a driver duty extra. The route out of Barton took us past Wren Kitchens which is a massive factory, then through Barrow on Humber and through relatively unexciting villages and countryside into Grimsby, with a fast run on a 26xxx E200 MMC, I think with the larger engine. We had a reasonable load, it seemed most passengers were doing the full run from Hull to Grimsby.

I had been to Grimsby once before, in 2013, arriving from Louth and leaving to Saltfleet and taking an early DRT minibus from there to Mablethorpe. Since then the bus station had disappeared with building works ongoing. It has been replaced by the grandly named ‘Riverhead Exchange’, but that’s just a collection of on-street bus stops with little clue as to which bus stopped where and out of date bus information. This time I wanted to include Cleethorpes, somewhere I’d not been and I suspect I would never visit otherwise. The plan had been to head straight there via the main route on the 3, 9 or 10 but BusTimes indicated that there was no sign of any of them within the next few minutes. I had learned my routes so I knew which went were, not least to avoid ending up on a very roundabout route. At this point a double decker appeared on a late-running 6 to Cleethorpes and so I took this – this goes by a more ‘inland’ route by heading south then east rather than the other routes going east then south. I duly arrived at Cleethorpes by the pier with the area and beach packed with locals and day trippers (presumably) enjoying the sun. Not the world’s most attractive seaside resort but with the warm sun and without a cold easterly wind it was as good as it gets. I didn’t have long here and headed back to Grimsby on an E200 on the 10. The most prominent landmark in Grimsby is the Dock Tower which is unfortunately not accessible to the general public but visible in the distance from several places. For a relatively dead-end location, ie without through traffic and away from the lorry routes to the docks, there is a remarkable number of cars all over the Grimsby area with traffic lights with long red phases. The local network is quite complicated with some routes changing to others at Cleethorpes including quite a bit of regular interworking. Most of the local routes are run by E200 MMCs and much of Stagecoach’s small fleet of Volvo B7RLEs with a few older E400s allocated seemingly randomly on some of the town routes as well as longer distance routes.

Back in Grimsby I had a short wander around the town centre before heading back towards Market Rasen. In the evening peak there are two departures just 30 minutes apart and the first one was a fairly old E400 so I took this one out of the town. Although we left promptly and traffic was relatively light we got quite a few minutes late, compounded for some reason by going past Laceby on the bypass, coming through the village in the reverse direction, going back to Morrisons roundabout and then back on the bypass again making us 12 minutes late. Rather than head straight back to Market Rasen I alighted in Caistor for a short visit, it should have been half an hour but was probably only half that, but well worthwhile as Caistor is a bit of a gem and looked delightful in the early evening sunshine. I then returned on the last leg back to Market Rasen on a Lincoln E300 which was following at a much greater speed – in fact arriving later at Lincoln they were only 7 minutes apart.

An enjoyable day out in reasonably unfamiliar territory (except Lincoln) which all worked out pretty much according to plan. The route was only possible thanks to reinstatement of the Hornsbys 94 and the new North Lincs 96 service both at Brigg and I was pleased I had swapped this for my other Lincolnshire trip which I suspect is more likely to still be possible next year. A hot day but just a little breeze later making this more tolerable. From Market Rasen it was into the car to drive to…… (to be continued)…

Some photos as usual:

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Market Rasen

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Lincoln

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Brigg

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Caistor
Thanks @RELL6L for that. A bumper set of places that I've never been to, such as Market Rasen, Brigg and Barton on Humber. Lincolnshire is a county that I travel to very rarely, usually being confined to speeding through the corner of it on the A1 near Grantham. I have been to Lincoln a couple of times, and the southern part of the county so your excursion involves places utterly alien to me.

Have to say that everywhere looks good in the sun (even Grimsby) so you've caught the best of North Lincs - not certain if it's inspired me to go but definitely looks better than I imagined.
 

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Thank you to @TheGrandWazoo fur suggesting I have made North Lincolnshire look reasonably attractive…. let’s see what I can do with my next trip…..

For Tuesday last week it was further west, to less known places (at least to me) in Greater Manchester and Merseyside. Why? I suppose ‘because they are there’ is the answer, some reasonable sized towns and areas I had not been to before. I started at Irlam to the west of Great Manchester to head to Warrington on the Go North West 100. The timetable for this service had just changed, reducing the core service from every 15 minutes to every 20 minutes, still two buses per hour as far as Hollins Green and one to Warrington. By starting in Irlam I avoided going round what looked a fairly tedious loop in a residential area east of Irlam. One would have thought the first westbound bus of the day would at least start its journey on time but no, it had left Shudehill 9 minutes late and was now 11 minutes down. It was a Volvo B9TL, pretty well loaded with passengers who generally did not look impressed by it being late. It was a fairly easy journey into Warrington and we arrived 7 minutes late. Given that I had a three minute connection this was not good, but I hadn’t actually reckoned on making this connection so instead I had a few minutes to wander round the town centre, which I actually find quite pleasant, especially round the Golden Square outdoor eating area.

Worse was to follow though, my next bus was the Arriva 7 to Huyton. A Pulsar was on the stand and loaded up for an on time departure but the vehicle failed to engage reverse gear to get off the stand. The driver phoned the depot for assistance and told them that she had checked reverse at the depot, and it had failed then, but a fitter got it to work. Nothing worked from guidance over the phone so we were given our money back and had another half hour in Warrington. This did give me time to get a bacon roll in the nearby shopping centre. The vehicle was fixed in time to go out the next afternoon. The next bus on the 7 was another Pulsar and had a full set of gears making reasonable time as it left Warrington, albeit a little delayed passing Cronton College. We arrived on time at Huyton, somewhere I had never been. The first prime minister I really remember was Harold Wilson, who was MP for Huyton, and there is a statue of him sitting down in the shopping centre, albeit without his trademark pipe. There is a small bus station here, probably over the top for the service levels but a decent facility (no toilets of course and the information office was closed, but shelter and timetable information).

Most of Huyton was Arriva dominated but my next leg was with Stagecoach on the 217 to Kirkby. My bus was a MAN E300, which seemed to be the mainstay of the route last Tuesday and Wednesday – but since Thursday it has been all E400s. I think it was a Cummins re-engined bus. The service has been reduced since the pandemic from 4bph to 3bph and now 2bph and it seemed pretty well loaded, certainly we carried plenty from Huyton and into Kirkby. This is all in the borough of Knowsley, which is supposed to be one of the most deprived in Britain, with Kirkby especially unfavoured, but Kirkby had a decent amount of green space and the town centre was quite busy with the usual coffee shop chains as busy as in more middle class areas.

The next leg is more on ‘how not to run a frequent bus service’ – I wrote about the Coastliner 700 into Worthing in August. I was heading into central Liverpool and had a choice of a number of routes. I decided to take the Stagecoach 19, which runs every 12 minutes, like the Coastliner 700. Although this is partly along a busy main road initially, it diverts to pass close to both Everton and Liverpool football grounds and takes a route into Liverpool I had not done before. The previous journey had not run, not a good sign, but I took an E400 MMC with a few passengers joining at Kirkby Bus Station, most of whom alighted within the outskirts of Kirkby before we hit the East Lancs Road in towards Liverpool. Although the inward journey had been slightly late, there was plenty of time for an on-time departure, but instead the driver ambled into his vehicle shortly after we should have left and we were 4 minutes late departing. We were not really delayed in this section and arrived at the stop outside Gillmoss depot still 4 minutes late. A driver change here took four more minutes so we were now 8 minutes late, therefore 32 minutes after the previous journey on this 12-minute service. Soon we hit busier parts with quite a few passengers waiting at each stop. Our driver was one who slowed down approaching a green light in case it changed instead of speeding up to improve the chances of getting through. Soon we were 12 minutes late and caught by the bus behind, sharing passengers between the two of us and losing no more time. This was an interesting route, passing right beside Goodison Park and giving glimpses of Anfield down nearby residential roads. Approaching central Liverpool along Everton Road there were many boarded up houses in a very run down area. I intended to alight at Lord Nelson Street, supposedly the penultimate stop, but it doesn’t appear to exist and so I continued to Queens Square Bus Station.

I had a few minutes to walk around the area nearby, including Lime Street station. I love central Liverpool and have been around the areas nearer the Mersey a number of times but this time, having got behind schedule earlier, I decided to move briskly on. The publicity at Queens Square suggests that for all destinations to the south one should walk to Liverpool One Bus Station, which is quite some distance. This is daft because most of the routes actually stop almost round the corner in Elliot Street. Walking here past the station I noticed we were in Skelhorne Street, a road bringing back memories from the 1970s of the small coach station here from where I would occasionally catch the overnight Crosville coach after a day out – usually an RELH6L.

I was now heading out of Liverpool to the south on a 500 to John Lennon Airport, somewhere else I had not been before. This route runs as close as possible to the Mersey shore for quite some way south out of the city after passing the entrance to Chinatown and through parts of Toxteth. A real mixture in this area, some parts still derelict or demolished whereas in others former warehouses have been converted to apartments, retail outlets and business parks. The 500, running half hourly, is the only route along here, past the Festival Gardens and the closest Liverpool comes to ‘seaside’, although the route is largely paralleled by the railway. At Aigburth Vale the 500 joins many other routes making pretty brisk progress directly to the Airport. My bus was a VDL Wright Gemini in a purple and blue livery used for the route. In theory at the airport I had 17 minutes to get my next bus, an 89, but I noted that the previous working was running late and I could connect to this. It was an E400 and did indeed leave the airport 7 minutes late and I managed to make it. This took us through the massive estate at Speke, then Hunts Cross and the attractive and wealthy suburb of Woolton before Belle Vale and then back to Huyton. I didn’t alight here this time but in the bus station there was a Volvo B5LH and a Pulsar receiving attention from fitters. I continued on the 89 a short distance further to Prescot. I had been through Prescot before and felt then that it was worth a visit so I alighted from my 89, now barely running late at all. Some money has been spent improving Prescot town centre where there is a new theatre, the Shakespeare North playhouse, this based on there having been one in the town around 400 years ago. Surprisingly this was quite an attractive town centre and I spent a few minutes here before continuing to St Helens on the next 89, also an E400. I had hoped there might be some sign of the hydrogen buses due for the 10A but there was not.

A few minutes in St Helens then onwards, this time an Arriva Pulsar on the 34 to Leigh. Another route I had not done before, Earlestown and Newton-le-Willows being new places to me. We had a good load from St Helens and many alighted in the estate to the north of Newton-le-Willows. We were making good time until we hit Lowton Common where a school had disgorged and many wanted to go to Leigh. The main route here is the Stagecoach Wigan 10 but we seemed to be the first to arrive with three missing out of five journeys on the 10. Some pupils had passes, some paid cash, some didn’t seem sure what to do. As a result we arrived about 10 minutes late at Leigh, somewhere I had never been. No matter, I had plenty of time here and still had half an hour to explore the town centre (not much to see, very red brick) and enjoy a cup of tea. Mostly Stagecoach in the town although there was a First bus on the Vantage service, the only First bus I saw either day. From Leigh it was on towards Manchester on the Stagecoach 34, an E400. Odd having two route 34s in Leigh but I think, going back, there were both part of a long route from Liverpool right through to Manchester via these routes. This route is about to become the 35 when phase 1 of the Bee Network comes in later this month. The 34 made good progress, we passed a broken down Versa of Warrington Transport on a local service and arrived on time at Worsley.

As a fan of the canals and user many years ago Worsley is a bit of a Mecca as the opening of the Bridgwater Canal in 1761 to take coal from the Duke of Bridgwater’s mines at Worsley was one of the first great achievements of the canal age. Once very industrial the canal basin here is now peaceful, apart from the noise from the nearby M60 and other roads. A short time here, I had planned to continue to Eccles but there seemed to be a large gap in the Diamond 20 running that way so I took the only bus that looked like it would arrive within 20 minutes or so, a Diamond Solo on the round-the-houses 66 route. This went close to Patricroft where, after a short walk alongside the canal, I came to the area I had visited in the freezing cold last December. Here I could see a Go North West 67 was heading my way to take me directly back to Irlam, at the bus stop was a broken down Arriva Pulsar on the 10. I was slightly surprised that the arriving bus was a Citaro, the 67 and 100 (interworked) being virtually entirely double deckers. Fairly full but a few seats available and then I was back in Irlam, then drove home.

A hot day and an interesting tour of some of the lesser known areas of Merseyside and Greater Manchester, including many places and routes I had not been to before. Not the most scenic – but they can’t all be!

Two good days out enjoying a couple of the hottest days of the year – in September! Of the 14 trips on my original ‘A list’ for the year 2023 I now only have two left to do, both in the West Country, where I have not been this year. I don’t think there’s going to be enough daylight now to do them this year- hopefully in 2024!

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Warrington

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Harold Wilson statue in Huyton

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Derelict houses in Everton Road, Liverpool

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Chinatown, Liverpool

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The River Mersey south of Liverpool

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Prescot

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Leigh

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Worsley

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Patricroft
 

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I had a 6 months training course in Liverpool in 1961/2, staying in "homely" digs in Fairfield, and used to travel to/from home in Sale on evening short runs of the multi-operator Tyne/Tees/Mersey express. A variety of vehicles from any one between Northern General and North Western could appear. The route was via Page Moss rather than Huyton, basically a road junction which was the terminus of a lot of LCT services, and Prescot. The latter was not as aesthetic as it is now, being dominated by the huge BICC factory (nothing to do with pens).
 

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Thanks to @RELL6L for his observations and photos. Unlike North Lincolnshire which I have little knowledge of, this is a bit more familiar as I used to live in the shadow of the Lobby Gobblers (i.e. people from Leigh) and in that part of Greater Manchester. That said, I must have passed that spot in Worsley countless times and not known of it. In some respects, I was a bit surprised that you didn't explore more of GM ahead of the Bee Network but a) you've doubtless already explored much of the area anyway and b) you just wanted to explore certain places. That said, I was surprised that you hadn't been to Newton le Willows; a place that I quite like and nicer than Earlestown which is a bit more earnest and they definitely feel more Manchester than Merseyside but that's how the boundary is.

Murkeyside is an area I know less well, though I have enjoyed a meal in one of those Chinese restaurants that you've captured. I did a trip around that area in 2021 (and another in 2015) that I recall was a bit frustrating as I was relying on Arriva with some of their 40 minute headways! However, I did think Prescot was quite pleasant when I visited. Those Everton buildings have so much potential - who'd imagine Georgian buildings like that just standing derelict? The 2015 trip involved a trip on the Sheil Road circulars and it really is enlightening as to the level of urban decay that blights what could be fantastic buildings.

I noticed that there were no photos of scenic St Helens. Might be stretching things! However, I know Warrington a bit and think it's a good, honest town with some surprisingly affluent areas. Looks like you enjoyed yourself and fitted in a lot. I know what you mean about the days getting shorter but it won't deter me from a couple more this year - managed 10 this year with outline plans for a couple more. I think I am less organised than you ;) Thanks again for a lovely travelogue

ps I wonder if the Harold Wilson statue doesn't have a pipe so as not to promote smoking... he'd need a vape now! Of course, that was a well-cultivated image for the public; in reality, he smoked cigars!
 

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Thanks to @RELL6L for his observations and photos. Unlike North Lincolnshire which I have little knowledge of, this is a bit more familiar as I used to live in the shadow of the Lobby Gobblers (i.e. people from Leigh) and in that part of Greater Manchester. That said, I must have passed that spot in Worsley countless times and not known of it. In some respects, I was a bit surprised that you didn't explore more of GM ahead of the Bee Network but a) you've doubtless already explored much of the area anyway and b) you just wanted to explore certain places. That said, I was surprised that you hadn't been to Newton le Willows; a place that I quite like and nicer than Earlestown which is a bit more earnest and they definitely feel more Manchester than Merseyside but that's how the boundary is.

Murkeyside is an area I know less well, though I have enjoyed a meal in one of those Chinese restaurants that you've captured. I did a trip around that area in 2021 (and another in 2015) that I recall was a bit frustrating as I was relying on Arriva with some of their 40 minute headways! However, I did think Prescot was quite pleasant when I visited. Those Everton buildings have so much potential - who'd imagine Georgian buildings like that just standing derelict? The 2015 trip involved a trip on the Sheil Road circulars and it really is enlightening as to the level of urban decay that blights what could be fantastic buildings.

I noticed that there were no photos of scenic St Helens. Might be stretching things! However, I know Warrington a bit and think it's a good, honest town with some surprisingly affluent areas. Looks like you enjoyed yourself and fitted in a lot. I know what you mean about the days getting shorter but it won't deter me from a couple more this year - managed 10 this year with outline plans for a couple more. I think I am less organised than you ;) Thanks again for a lovely travelogue

ps I wonder if the Harold Wilson statue doesn't have a pipe so as not to promote smoking... he'd need a vape now! Of course, that was a well-cultivated image for the public; in reality, he smoked cigars!

Thanks for your comments. I have explored much of the area and wanted to do different routes and places, apart from Prescot to St Helens everything was new to me. There was an element of GM pre- Bee Network with Leigh and buses from Stagecoach from Wigan and Diamond from Bolton. Worsley is very historic from a canal perspective and quiet. I agree I should make time for Newton le Willows, I have been through it also on a 360 but it looks worth an explore. As for St Helens I have been there twice in the last 2 years, once reported in post #1 on this thread when I started and finished there, with pictures, again briefly on post #302. I don’t mind the town. I agree on Warrington, a decent town that stands on its own with the large metropolitan areas east and west. You may well be right on Harold Wilson and smoking!

Yes the days are getting shorter now and it’s getting harder. I’ve done 15 so far this year, hope for a few more yet!

It's been a bad week on trip planning. Two school/college day routes which remained 'on the system' all summer seem to have been quietly withdrawn losing links I had in my plans. Arriva Selby 3, from Selby to Thorne, has gone, making Goole to Thorne impossible. Also Mid Wales 522 from Aberystwyth to Tregaron via Devils Bridge on schooldays has gone, cutting Devils Bridge off from the bus network. It was a shopping round trip clearly used to get buses from and to Tregaron for a school run, this run seems to have passed to Evans so no need for the 522. Very sad. The T21 from Aberystwyth to Tregaron also feeds into Tregaron school runs, it takes different routes on different days - could it not go via Devils Bridge one day a week? On the plus side, although its one I did years ago, Celtic Travel's website shows a college day 41A from Presteigne to Newtown via Knighton. This used to be a public run as part of the Sargents 41 but appears to be have been closed door for a number of years. It provides a link through attractive country not otherwise available.
 
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I thought that members may be interested in the local buses in Mauritius, from where I have just returned on holiday.Bus services there were ran by a number of private companies operating in different geographical areas.As we were staying in the north west of the island the operator there was Triolet Bus Services.They seemed to run a number of Ashok Leyland buses that were getting on in age , but looked like they were fairly well maintained and all routes were using a conductor which was a bit of a novelty.Fares were very reasonable ranging from 23 to 43 Mauritian Rupees (around 50 pence to £1) depending on length of journey.The main trip we did was from our hotel in Mont Choisy to the capital Port Louis which was around 12 miles.As in the UK the bus took a somewhat circuitus route to serve the towns along the way.This route stopped at Trou Aux Biches, Triolet, and Arsenal on the way into Port Louis and took just under an hour.The return journey was after people had finished work and took an extra 30 minutes due to traffic.The capital itself was much busier than the resort towns, and we took time to visit some shops, restaurants and the very interesting natural history museum,as well as take a trip on the modern tramway.The trip back took a slightly different route to serve the town of Pamplemousses as well as one of the hospitals.It was certainly an experience, and we also took a couple of further rides to the resort town of Grand Baie, and the botanic gardens in Pamplemousses.The buses there were cheap, reliable and regular, and were I to return I would definitely use them again.Picture shows a red and white Ashok Leyland of indeterminate vintage operated by the Triolet Bus Services on the island of Mauritius.
 

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I thought that members may be interested in the local buses in Mauritius, from where I have just returned on holiday.Bus services there were ran by a number of private companies operating in different geographical areas.As we were staying in the north west of the island the operator there was Triolet Bus Services.They seemed to run a number of Ashok Leyland buses that were getting on in age , but looked like they were fairly well maintained and all routes were using a conductor which was a bit of a novelty.Fares were very reasonable ranging from 23 to 43 Mauritian Rupees (around 50 pence to £1) depending on length of journey.The main trip we did was from our hotel in Mont Choisy to the capital Port Louis which was around 12 miles.As in the UK the bus took a somewhat circuitus route to serve the towns along the way.This route stopped at Trou Aux Biches, Triolet, and Arsenal on the way into Port Louis and took just under an hour.The return journey was after people had finished work and took an extra 30 minutes due to traffic.The capital itself was much busier than the resort towns, and we took time to visit some shops, restaurants and the very interesting natural history museum,as well as take a trip on the modern tramway.The trip back took a slightly different route to serve the town of Pamplemousses as well as one of the hospitals.It was certainly an experience, and we also took a couple of further rides to the resort town of Grand Baie, and the botanic gardens in Pamplemousses.The buses there were cheap, reliable and regular, and were I to return I would definitely use them again.Picture shows a red and white Ashok Leyland of indeterminate vintage operated by the Triolet Bus Services on the island of Mauritius.
Well, that puts my trips into perspective!! I always enjoy sampling the local public transport when on holiday but nothing compared to that.

Thanks for sharing - very interesting
 

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Well, that puts my trips into perspective!! I always enjoy sampling the local public transport when on holiday but nothing compared to that.

Thanks for sharing - very interesting
It was a little bit more exotic than Wigan and Leigh ( though the pies weren’t as good).:)
 

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