If you're counting Liverpool Street for Norwich services wouldn't Newham count as well?
Waterloo-Exeter was shown as an InterCity route on the earliest sector maps
Yes, Newham too - I forget about Stratford. I’m not too sure about Brent & Islington, but I bet there will be examples somewhere where an intercity service stopped in another London borough. For Manchester, Tameside should be added as TPE has made calls at Stalybridge on a Liverpool-Newcastle service.
From my memories of the Highwayman, it used to be an elderly rake of 90 mph Mark 1 side corridor stock hauled by a Gateshead class 40. Apologies for drifting 0/T.
Amusing to think of the money they could get in for that today
Yes.
Amusing to think of the money they could get in for that today
Huddersfield used to have a daily return service to Kings Cross in Inter City days. Started at Halifax, picked up at Huddersfield and possibly Mirfield/Wakefield Kirkgate (it was a long time ago) before attaching to an ex Leeds/Bradford service at Doncaster. I used it on a couple of occasions back in the seventies.
Presumably you had the 47 from Kings Cross to Donny and then the 25 from there to Huddersfield/Halifax?
There were also (long before my time) through carriages from Bradford Exchange to London
I thought that these trains ran to London (Marylebone) and first started following the opening of the GC London Extension. They were curtailed in 1960 when the GC main line was downgraded. From 1948-1960 one train was named the South Yorkshireman.
That would be right. Looks like we had 1576 from Donny on the outward trip but I can't see anything starred for the Huddersfield - Donny leg. February 1971, I was 13 at the time.
Of course, a schoolboy error on my part!
1974 timetable (Table 33) attached.
I made that journey once as a teenager. Bizarre: almost empty train trundling through empty fields and finally entering London on the Metropolitan Line. I think it stopped at Harrow on the Hill which must have been a strange sight: a steam-hauled express amongst the commuters and red electric trains.
That would explain why I only have 1576 noted for haulage on the outward trip, probably from Westgate, not Donny. We were on a shedbash round Hither Green, Stewarts Lane & Stratford and would be wanting to arrive in London as early as possible so caught the train to Wakefield, changing there.
Yes, but I wouldn't class that as a regular service.
Until 1967 through Class One expresses served Birkenhead from London Paddington, by extensions of the core Padd-Brum-Wolves service to Salop/ Chester/ Aberystwyth etc....
I'd say Greater London is counted as all one, as should City of Salford as that's within Manchester's built-up area. Greater London is continuously built-up to all intents and purposes, and has been for decades.
As the question contains the word 'never', Salisbury can be discounted as LSWR/ SR/ BR(S) served it with proper express trains. Today's SWR service use outer suburban DMUs but they run as Class 1s albeit without the restaurant car, steam heating, compartments and horsehair-filled seat cushions
In which case Birkenhead and at least the built-up areas of the Wirral should count as Liverpool. Admittedly they are separated by a wider river than that dividing north and south London, but otherwise they are one conurbation; and it is much quicker for residents of the Wirral tp reach Lime Street than it is for most Londoners to get to an appropriate London terminus.
Can you explain the routing of that train? the timetable shows 9:11 from Huddersfield, 9:30 from Leeds, unlikely to get between the 2 in 19 minutes with loco change, and there's no route from Huddersfield direct to Wakefield Westgate (since Osset closed) without reversal at Kirkgate
If my memory is correct it was routed via Wakefield Kirkgate where the loco ran round, reversed to Westgate and then attached to the rear of the 09.30 from Leeds.
thank you
Three reversals and still in West Yorkshire - Huddersfield, Kirkgate and Westgate! Perhaps a candidate for the most reversals in a journey.
Thank you also, I'd wondered that too and I don't have a working timetable from the period in my collection!
I'm fairly certain that until fairly recently one or two a day went to / from Derby, but that doesn't seem to currently be the case and definitely wasn't a frequent intercity service. It looks like intercity services are calling at Corby next weekend, but because of engineering works via Market Harborough.