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According to the BBC website there's disruption on the London Underground today caused by a strike by RMT Drivers, nothing on here?
I thought that odd too so I just searched for "Tube Strike" in RailUKforums and this is all we have!According to the BBC website there's disruption on the London Underground today caused by a strike by RMT Drivers, nothing on here?
I thought that odd too so I just searched for "Tube Strike" in RailUKforums and this is all we have!
In the existing Night Tube thread:According to the BBC website there's disruption on the London Underground today caused by a strike by RMT Drivers, nothing on here?
Circle Line is not involved in the dispute, just train cancellations due to lack of staff.Piccadilly Line and Waterloo & City suspended. Special reduced service on Central, Circle, Northern, Victoria and Jubilee lines.
Interesting call-in on LBC radio 8.30 this morning by an ASLEF tube driver, who described how the rationale is seen as ludicrous, and on the Aslef Whats App board "everyone is laughing at them".
Maybe someone here can post some of the comments from there.
What’s funny is that they already work nights!How dare the poor tube workers are asked to work nights. What a disgrace. Isn’t it hard enough being paid over 50k for pressing two buttons to open the doors and two buttons to start the auto pilot?
This is rather insulting, and proves you obviously have absolutely no concept of the skills and knowledge required to become a train operator. I don't blame you for that - the right wing press have been pushing this 'dumbing down' agenda for years.How dare the poor tube workers are asked to work nights. What a disgrace. Isn’t it hard enough being paid over 50k for pressing two buttons to open the doors and two buttons to start the auto pilot?
How dare the poor tube workers are asked to work nights. What a disgrace. Isn’t it hard enough being paid over 50k for pressing two buttons to open the doors and two buttons to start the auto pilot?
Yeah. Not as if I have a relative or two that are based at Northumberland Park and Golders green depots. They literally boast it’s money for nothing now pretty much. Sure they may have knowledge. But the overwhelming majority won’t ever need that knowledge. It’s open the doors. Close the doors. Push to start. Rinse repeat.This is rather insulting, and proves you obviously have absolutely no concept of the skills and knowledge required to become a train operator. I don't blame you for that - the right wing press have been pushing this 'dumbing down' agenda for years.
I wonder, do you yearn for Paramedics to be known as 'van drivers' as that's all you see them doing?
i think it’s insulting that other, much more skilled jobs are paid far less.
I am trying to make sense of this sentence and am failing, bear in mind that good communication skills are required for tube drivers.Yeah. Not as if I have a relative or two that are based at Northumberland Park and Golders green depots. They literally boast it’s money for nothing now pretty much. Sure they may have knowledge. But the overwhelming majority won’t ever need that knowledge. It’s open the doors. Close the doors. Push to start. Rinse repeat.
i think it’s insulting that other, much more skilled jobs are paid far less.
I'd love to see his reaction if he's stuck on a train in the middle of nowhere one day and the driver says "sorry, I'm not trained on how to fix air faults"I am trying to make sense of this sentence and am failing, bear in mind that good communication skills are required for tube drivers.
How are you going to decide which few drivers will need that knowledge?
Is commonly said that drivers and many railway grades aren't paid for what they do minute by minute - they are paid for what they need to know how to do
Most of the modern stock has remote diagnostics now. And no tube driver is gonna be fixing faults in the tunnel. Nice try old beanI am trying to make sense of this sentence and am failing, bear in mind that good communication skills are required for tube drivers.
How are you going to decide which few drivers will need that knowledge?
Most of the modern stock has remote diagnostics now. And no tube driver is gonna be fixing faults in the tunnel. Nice try old bean
Yes they absolutely do fix faults when in the tunnel. Even if they can't fix then they need to know what to do when being rescued by another train (releasing brakes etc). The only stock that "phones home" is the S Stock on the sub surface lines. The rest is left to the driver to deal with.Most of the modern stock has remote diagnostics now. And no tube driver is gonna be fixing faults in the tunnel. Nice try old bean
I think your knowledge of train driving, and even trains in general, might be rather lacking.Most of the modern stock has remote diagnostics now. And no tube driver is gonna be fixing faults in the tunnel. Nice try old bean
The amount of times I’ve had to go back and isolate something or trip something back in or something similar and the amount of times I’ve had my train come up in a heap with a fault that I’ve had to deal with would make your mind boggle.Most of the modern stock has remote diagnostics now. And no tube driver is gonna be fixing faults in the tunnel. Nice try old bean
ignorance is bliss.Most of the modern stock has remote diagnostics now. And no tube driver is gonna be fixing faults in the tunnel. Nice try old bean
From my experience, LUL drivers to a hell of a lot more fault rectification than any mainline driver, the latter seems to be "First call, phone control to cover my behind in case I do something wrong" which is very much not the right attitude in the LUL environment.
We spend weeks learning traction and fault fixing, to then be told we can only follow instructions given by the fleet support tech!A lot of mainline drivers would love to rectify faults, but I believe third party maintenance and support contracts dictate that the dedicated fleet control technicians need to be contacted before anything is touched/done.
Another consideration needs to be how many people in said queue will pass the assessments and the training.Trying to judge whether pay matches skills compared to other jobs is wasted air - its almost entirely subjective.
Really the only question should be whether you can attract and retain enough suitably qualified people at the wage you are paying. If they are queuing out the door to get involved then you are paying too much.