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Vaccine Progress, Approval, and Deployment

Darandio

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This whole program is an utter farce.

Got my first AZ jab on 5th June when my GP was running a clinic, was told at the time that they would run another clinic 8 weeks later which would be this Saturday. After receiving no communication about it I went in today and they said there now won't be a second clinic but I could go into the town centre today where a mobile vaccination centre has been set up for both AZ and Pfizer vaccines and I could have it a couple of days early.

Went down the town and queued up for the vaccination only to be told they aren't doing AZ at all and the only way would be to go back to booking online at another centre. Tried that and just as before i'm being offered locations upwards of 30 miles away and all appointments are midweek which I couldn't attend anyway, never mind the fact I ain't travelling that far for it.

They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Just had my second one done. Because Redcar has effectively washed their hands of anyone needing AZ I was in Middlesbrough today and managed to get off early to go to the walk-in at North Ormesby.

As seen in recent posts above my GP stated clearly that they had effectively washed their hands of organising second vaccines and left people like me to fend for themselves and find a second dose of AZ. As above I did so earlier this week then lo and behold today a letter arrives from the GP inviting me to a second vaccine appointment in their surgery.

What a mess.
 
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An observant patient? Stock taking?

She'd have to have been pretty incompetent to have been caught in either of those ways though. Quite possibly she was, I suppose. If she left a social media trail, then I guess she wasn't trying to cover her tracks as hard as she could.

As for finding out how many have been affected, that's quite easy - either "vaccinated" patients falling ill, or where there's a suspicion, testing of the patients allegedly vaccinated for their immunity.

But vaccinated patients do fall ill too, and at those numbers with current prevalence infection in the general population you'd have to be looking quite closely (ie. already be suspicious) to see anything statistically significant. Checking immunity via antibodies may well be it, but we know the vaccine doesn't produce antibodies in everyone, so again you'd have to do a lot of checking.

As for the far right reference, I'd not be so quick to call it a smear. She's identified as having shared "corona-critical information" online, which is frequently political in character, and police are stating that a political motive is in the question. I strongly suspect the reporter's put two and two together, possibly with the aid of a nudge from the police, and written in that way to sidestep confidentiality and sub-judice laws.

She may or may not be, I've no idea, but the reference in the article

Germany has seen many anti-vaccination protests.
Far-right groups are among those who reject the official data and conclusions about the spread of Covid.

is clearly generic, not about her. (And, by saying 'among', they are again doing that thing where they technically tell the truth while also implying something more).
 

35B

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She may or may not be, I've no idea, but the reference in the article



is clearly generic, not about her. (And, by saying 'among', they are again doing that thing where they technically tell the truth while also implying something more).
Indeed - which I’m suggesting may be entirely valid contextual reporting within the bounds of German pre trial reporting restrictions.
 

Darandio

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Based on previous timescales i'm expecting an announcement on wanting to vaccinate primary school children in six months.


The Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine is "safe, well tolerated" and produces a "robust" antibody immune response in children aged five to 11, according to the findings of a US trial.
The researchers plan to submit the results to regulators to seek approval for vaccinating children younger than 12, the current age limit.
More than 2,000 children took part and were given two small doses of vaccine.
Results in children under five are expected soon.
The findings, distributed in a press release, are the first of their kind for children under 12 - a trial of the Moderna vaccine in six to 11-year-olds is ongoing.
Both jabs are already being offered to adolescents over 12 in countries including the UK, which is just beginning its rollout of jabs to healthy teenagers.
The young children in the Pfizer trial were given 10 microgram doses, rather than the 30 micrograms recommended for over 12s. Antibody responses and side effects were comparable. The under fives in the study are being given even smaller doses.
Dr Ugur Sahin, CEO and co-founder of BioNTech, said: "The safety profile and immunogenicity data in children aged five to 11 years vaccinated at a lower dose are consistent with those we have observed with our vaccine in other older populations at a higher dose.
"We are pleased to be able to submit data to regulatory authorities for this group of school-aged children before the start of the winter season."
Although Covid is rarely severe in children, they can still catch and spread it and some will get very sick.
The UK has this week begun offering one dose of the Pfizer vaccine to children in secondary schools.
Although this won't stop the virus circulating, it could help keep more pupils in class, say experts.
Pfizer chief executive Albert Bourla said: "We are eager to extend the protection afforded by the vaccine to this younger population, subject to regulatory authorization, especially as we track the spread of the Delta variant and the substantial threat it poses to children."
He added: "These trial results provide a strong foundation for seeking authorization of our vaccine for children five to 11 years old, and we plan to submit them to the FDA and other regulators with urgency."
 

Islineclear3_1

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Based on previous timescales i'm expecting an announcement on wanting to vaccinate primary school children in six months.

The BBC article states "More than 2,000 children took part and were given two small doses of vaccine".

Can you provide a link to this study please?
 

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I personally am pleased secondary students are being vaccinated; it's not necessary for their health but without it they would be subject to too may restrictions and disruption.

In an ideal world it wouldn't be necessary but given the world we live in, it is.

As for primary children, the case grows weaker as you go down the ages. Coronaviruses typically circulate strongly in younger children who build good immunity at a young age. I can see a case for vaccinating children under 12 but less so when you get down to age 5, and it's difficult to justify until vaccine production has ramped up to the extent there are no longer shortages.

In really getting stuck in arguing with maskivists on Twitter. They mostly seem to be giving up once they realise they can't win the argument. A few keep going and I just keep arguing until they give up.

I've seen hundreds of people today and only one of our pupils wear a mask today (a bit in Yr11 who might just be the only one left now!)

I may go to he shop when I eventually leave work but as long as mask usage is under 50 per cent I will be happy!
 

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