Ok mate but you only have to give a name & phone no & no requirement to use the T&T app. Table service accepting cash has been available throughout for those not using the Spoon app too. I cant say ive ever had an issue with Pret apart from it being so busy during lockdown & the initial opening during April.A combination of being required to give my details for test & trace and having to use an app to order drinks. I don't have a smartphone but would have been willing to accept table service and paying using contactless card.
We can be sure because the app only shows someone as covid positive of they have tested positive for covid.But ..... how can we be sure that people whose apps have them Covid-positive really have Covid? And if they do, why are they not isolating?
You begin to see why there is a compelling case for disregarding if not deleting the app.
I thought they had dropped changing it now? Either way the reasoning for amending it is pretty solid IMO - with the level or vaccinations we have it doesn't have to be as sensitive. Of course decreasing the sensitivity of it is also a political move (and part of the current media and government goal of shifting the blame to the app rather than it being on the increasing number of cases).If its working as it should, then I have to ask why are the algorithms are to be amended?
Because you have to remember that 2m is guidance based on risk. Being 2m or further away doesn't mean the risk decreases to 0. It very much depends on a lot of other factors. One of which is how long you are in contact with that person too which is why the app takes that into account. Of course ideally it would also take into account your location and the conditions of that location inside v outside, ventilated v not) but it isnt really feasible for the app to know that!If the official guidance on social distancing is 2m. Why then is the app racking up points if your phone is within 4m of the phone of a confirmed case.
All spoons I have been to have had pen and paper on the entrance with a box to leave your details. And you can just use a member of staff to order too. They just prefer to use the app, but its not a requirement if just ask.A combination of being required to give my details for test & trace and having to use an app to order drinks. I don't have a smartphone but would have been willing to accept table service and paying using contactless card.
Another comment has picked up the latter point, but on the first: In order to tell the app you're positive, you have to enter a code you receive from the NHS only if you test positive from a COVID test. Only the code can trigger exposure notifications (the 'pings').But ..... how can we be sure that people whose apps have them Covid-positive really have Covid? And if they do, why are they not isolating?
You begin to see why there is a compelling case for disregarding if not deleting the app.
I mean...deleting and reinstalling the app...what did you expect to happen?I got pinged by the app and was able to undo the ping by removing and re-installing the app. Doing that it no longer advises you to isolate. The whole thing is pointless. I've got the app installed for check in purposes but turned contact tracing off. I've had both jabs and doing regular LFT's for work. For me the app is more of a hindrance than anything useful. Also answer this. If the official guidance on social distancing is 2m. Why then is the app racking up points if your phone is within 4m of the phone of a confirmed case.
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If it's any consolation, before the Euros I got pinged on the Friday and was going to see friends on the Sunday...decided to do a PCR test on Saturday (was convinced I was clear) and low-and-behold...tested positive. Had I not been alerted I wouldn't have caught it! (The LFT I did on Sunday evening had the thinnest of second purple lines, only showed up after about an hour)I got "pinged" yesterday so self-isolating until the end of next Thursday. Feel fine, a lateral flow test has been negative and I find it highly improbable that I've caught anything, but as I was due to travel by train across the country to a training course I felt it would be irresponsible to do so just in case, plus if it does amount to something I'd rather be ill at home than in a hotel hours away from any support. That's always a possibility, app or no app, but I'd be furious with myself if I ignored it and ended up in that situation.
The test and trace app hasn't been updated to include the changes. Either that or you need to install an app update for it to display the revised message.
My internal phone storage is low so an update might be waiting.
Well, I've checked and there is no app update waiting to install but I'm still seeing out of date info in the app. I restarted the app too.
I don't think its an app update, more just content changes that are made server side, as mine last had an update 2 weeks ago but I'm seeing the correct info. I wonder if clearing the app cache or the app data would help (https://www.androidcentral.com/how-and-when-clear-app-cache-or-data-android).Well, I've checked and there is no app update waiting to install but I'm still seeing out of date info in the app. I restarted the app too.
Plans to tweak the NHS Covid app to make its alerts less sensitive and avoid mass disruption to people’s lives will not be introduced for several weeks, a cabinet minister has said.
Senior government figures are scrambling to avoid the public deleting en-masse the app that notifies users if they have been identified as a “close contact” of a positive coronavirus case.
Robert Jenrick, the communities secretary, said the government had accepted the technology needed tweaking.
“It is important we have the app, that we take it seriously and that when we do get those messages, we act accordingly,” he told LBC radio on Thursday. “But we’re going to give further thought to how it is a proportionate response.
“The government is going to be setting out its plans in the coming weeks, so I’m not going to pre-empt those.”
Some of the press were indicating last week that am update to the algorithms was in the pipe, but it is delayed (shock horror)
Unfortunately even a couple of days could still cause huge problems for employers. I'm fairly sure there was an update a couple of months ago, which seemed to correlate to a sudden increase in pings. The fact that they are now scrambling to get another patch speaks volumes.O dear, they are really messing up!
I don't understand why they can't change the requirements when you get pinged? As soon as you are pinged, you should get a test ASAP, isolate for 1-2 days before having another test. If both are negative, you are free to roam again?
If the requirements are reasonable, people may consider keeping and actually using the app! I can't be the only one to check in when requested by staff and then cancel once inside to remove unnecessarily disruption to life?
Indeed. Any single day of my current isolation day would have put paid to the course I'm supposed to be on this week, so it wouldn't have made any difference if I'd been off for a couple of days or all six. They're still left paying me to sit at home, paying someone to cover me, probably have to pay for the course as it had to be cancelled at such short notice, and they'll have to wait until another slot to get me qualified to work on that type of level crossing.Unfortunately even a couple of days could still cause huge problems for employers.
Unfortunately even a couple of days could still cause huge problems for employers.
The problem is that is the algorithm is flawed, then it will continue to ping more and more people and could for example wipe a maintenance depot, crew room, entire office etc etc. Clearly given the low incidence of pings in comparison back in May and previously, something drastic has changed in the last couple of months. Even as a two day isolation it could cause utter chaos in some sectors. I can tell you that in my home office, there has never been such a requirement, and I work for a public sector department!It does but I think it's closer to the right balance between trying to make sure people who do actually have it or might have it aren't just going around spreading it. Though personally I would still suggest that the self-isolation period should only last from when the ping comes into when you get a negative test result. Looking at my area today that could well be just about a day or so total. There's PCR testing available right now and the NHS advise that test results should take around a day to come through. That seems like a much more reasonable balance to strike between getting people back to normal but taking a sensible precaution.
That was just another example of one rule for them.... We've seen that a lot in the last year and a half.Certainly though the stubborn reluctance to allow everyone to benefit from the "random trial" that Boris and Sunak were "lucky" enough to get onto is crackers and will just, quite understandably (especially after the performance this weekend!) cause people to delete the app or at the very least turn off the contract tracing function. I certainly haven't bothered with the contract tracing bit just the check in (on the basis that that remains sensible as it advises you to get tested which I'm perfectly willing to do rather than just imprison you for potentially no reason what so ever).
Clearly given the low incidence of pings in comparison back in May and previously, something drastic has changed in the last couple of months.
Yes it is has. We have many many more cases now than what we did in May, and people are out and about and in close contact much more now the restrictions have lifted. Both of those pretty obviously will lead to more people getting notified.Clearly given the low incidence of pings in comparison back in May and previously, something drastic has changed in the last couple of months.