Wimbledon 2013

[harry42]

BBC3 and BBC4 share there transmission with cbeebies and cbbc, which both only run 06:00 until 19:00 then BBC3 and BBC 4 run from 19:00 until 06:00.

BBC3 and BBC4 are low cost running channels. This means, for instance the 60 second news is unique on BBC3 and has very low running costs.

Therefore, the BBC have to make a very hard decision - do they take off World News Today on BBC 4, which would cost a lot to do, then put regional news on instead, or just delay it?

BBC2 is devoted to specialised documentaries and further coverage of sport from BBC1.

I agree though, news should come before the one show!

 

[Oswyntail]

I couldn't care less if Murray wins as i hate tennis and think it is a game on a par with golf for stupidity, terrible middle class (but desperate to be upper class) tradition and snobbishness.

It is watched , in the majority, by plummy idiots with to many teeth and no chin. It is pseudo elitist rubbish. The reason we haven't had a British winner at Wimbledon for 9000 years is because tennis is about as accessible as polo to the normal person.

PLEASE dont get me started on those chumps who pay good money to sit in a grotty hill is a crappy park to watch a stupid sport on a big screen while all the while the be-blazered poshos running the " All England Club" are laughing and rubbing their hands together at the stupidity of the plebs! Some of them camp in the street to sit on a bloody grass bank!!!!!!!! Morons.

Murray is a charmless, boring, gormless machine with about as much charisma as a wet lettuce leaf. He speaks in a terribly dull monotone and is about as interesting as the contents of my left nostril.

And @ Ivo WHY would it be good for British sport if he won? Would that make tennis more accessible to the vast majority of people outside of the middle and upper classes - no because they still wont want the chavs, the scum and plebs in their clubs. They might, after all, actually try to win!

I hope they loose their funding and it gets transferred to sports that make an effort to engage the great unwashed.

What a load of utter cobblers. There is obviously an immense chip on your shoulders that prevents you looking at the real world, and digesting only what Socialist Worker would have you believe. Your comments about tennis fans are on a par with saying that football is supported only by the "working classes" - both equally inane.
I agree that the LTA has not spent its money wisely, or successfully, over the years. But anyone who has been involved, as I have, in running sport at national level will know that there are no simple answers. The biggest problem is actually football, and its remorseless greed for playing space and time, but that is another issue.
Tennis is one of the few sports that is actually highly accessible, with municipal courts available in most places for spot hire. Throughout the summer, you will find most clubs running open training camps for youngsters. Believe me, in Leeds at least, the great unwashed take part in these. Of course, when there is a high-profile bit of British success then youngsters give that sport a go in huge numbers, so it is good for that sport, and often brings them into contact with the other sports available.
What sports do you think do not make an effort to engage? Your comment shows that you have no experience whatsoever in sports organisation. Without engagement, the sports die, whether publicly funded or not. Of course, I realise that you are a football fan, but please do not have us believe that that bloated parasite of a "sport" is typical, or even a proper role model of how sport should be run, financed, or presented to an aspiring public.

 

[DarloRich]

What a load of utter cobblers. There is obviously an immense chip on your shoulders that prevents you looking at the real world, and digesting only what Socialist Worker would have you believe. Your comments about tennis fans are on a par with saying that football is supported only by the "working classes" - both equally inane.
I agree that the LTA has not spent its money wisely, or successfully, over the years. But anyone who has been involved, as I have, in running sport at national level will know that there are no simple answers. The biggest problem is actually football, and its remorseless greed for playing space and time, but that is another issue.
Tennis is one of the few sports that is actually highly accessible, with municipal courts available in most places for spot hire. Throughout the summer, you will find most clubs running open training camps for youngsters. Believe me, in Leeds at least, the great unwashed take part in these. Of course, when there is a high-profile bit of British success then youngsters give that sport a go in huge numbers, so it is good for that sport, and often brings them into contact with the other sports available.
What sports do you think do not make an effort to engage? Your comment shows that you have no experience whatsoever in sports organisation. Without engagement, the sports die, whether publicly funded or not. Of course, I realise that you are a football fan, but please do not have us believe that that bloated parasite of a "sport" is typical, or even a proper role model of how sport should be run, financed, or presented to an aspiring public.

Tennis is about as accessible to normal people as the Eiger. The majority of municipal courts, where they exist, are in a terrible state and are used only when Wimbledon is on. I think there is one municipal court within the Milton Keynes Borough Council area.

If you want to join a private tennis club you have to go through so much rubbish that it seems the people involved revel in shunning people. The David Lloyd clubs cost a fortune

I will not respond to the personal attacks because you show yourself to be foolish. You know nothing of my life, my background or my participation in sport. I will say that football is only one of the sports that i both play and watch. Finally, i have never in my life even glanced a socialist workers publication or any other rubbish of that ilk. :roll:

 

[bnm]

What is the word coming to when the "so-called" major public service broadcaster can alter its scheduling of its landmark 1800 national new programme on its major BBC1 channel for a "sport item". I am sure that the new regime resident at the BBC will express great pleasure at your comment that their viewers should watch ITV for both national and local news.

I note that you have made no mention whatsoever of those regional BBC viewers whose 30-minute local TV news programme was summarily cancelled and replaced with a cookery programme, unless of course, you are somewhat of an aficionado of such culinary programmes and believe that the poor standard of British food preparation and the meals prepared therefrom is in need of viewer indoctrination...

What is the world coming too? Like I said, ye Gods. :roll:

A couple of times a year. And it's been a regular occurrence year in year out, since we've had Henman and Murray reaching the second week of Wimbledon through the late 90s to the present.

I couldn't give two hoots about what BBC bosses think of my suggestion to go watch ITV. There are plenty of outlets for local news, or does it have to be the BBC, with fake smiling perma-tanned presenters, one step up from local radio presenters, without fail, on pain of death, at 1830 every weekday night?

And on which night was it that the local news was cancelled? Looking at the schedules I can't see any occasion last week when that happened. Or do you class a reduction in run time as a cancellation, as happened on Friday evening? 'Great British Food' did not replace the local news on Wednesday evening either. It was broadcast on BBC1 at 1930. This was made clear numerous times during the tennis, and with a continuity announcer on BBC2 after the main news saying the local news would follow the conclusion of the tennis on BBC1.

I care not one jot for cookery programmes either. I was watching the tennis.

If it really does bother you that you missed the local BBC news at 1830 then write to Jeremy Vine on Pointless Views (or try the Daily Mail). As happens every year the postbag will no doubt be full of whinging about the tennis 'taking over' the schedules. Something it has done for at least the last 30 years. :roll:

 

[Oswyntail]

Tennis is about as accessible to normal people as the Eiger. The majority of municipal courts, where they exist, are in a terrible state and are used only when Wimbledon is on. I think there is one municipal court within the Milton Keynes Borough Council area.

If that is the case, it is sad for that area. But I do not think it is true generally

If you want to join a private tennis club you have to go through so much rubbish that it seems the people involved revel in shunning people. The David Lloyd clubs cost a fortune

Yes, some clubs are expensive, but by no means all.

I will not respond to the personal attacks because you show yourself to be foolish. You know nothing of my life, my background or my participation in sport. I will say that football is only one of the sports that i both play and watch. Finally, i have never in my life even glanced a socialist workers publication or any other rubbish of that ilk. :roll:

You don't like being caricatured (fair enough) yet you are willing to caricature people who enjoy tennis:roll:. And your description of them seems on a par with SW rhetoric, I am sure you will agree.
The point is that, though we all can agree that there are supreme difficulties facing all sports in this country, the problem is not solved by engaging in some sort of class war against those who are trying to address it.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

And on which night was it that the local news was cancelled?

Even the BBC are not as cynical as to publicise in advance when they are likely to cancel a local area news programme and replace it with a cookery programme.

Their local news cancellation of certain regional 1830 news programmes on one night last week was a feature that was discussed in the BBC News Review programme over the last 48 hours. I am sure it was not a figment of the imagination of their editorial programme staff on that programme that seemed to affect those who contacted the BBC to complain that their local news was rather more important than being offered a cookery programme in lieu.....

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If it really does bother you that you missed the local BBC news at 1830 then write to Jeremy Vine on Pointless Views (or try the Daily Mail). As happens every year the postbag will no doubt be full of whinging about the tennis 'taking over' the schedules. Something it has done for at least the last 30 years. :roll:

Sorry to disappoint you over your care what TV news programmes we watch, but I can report the the BBC North-West local news was fortunately not one of the regions affected....even where we live in the deepest rural part of Cheshire East....

 

[bnm]

Their local news cancellation of certain regional 1830 news programmes on one night last week was a feature that was discussed in the BBC News Review programme over the last 48 hours.

Discussed? BBC Newswatch aired one comment from a viewer that said the local news was replaced by a cookery programme on BBC2 at 1830. There was no discussion.

The local news was shown that evening. At 1930 on BBC1 after the tennis. Certainly not a figment of my imagination. I watched it.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Discussed? BBC Newswatch aired one comment from a viewer that said the local news was replaced by a cookery programme on BBC2 at 1830. There was no discussion.

The fact that the BBC Newswatch programme chose to include this matter in their programme surely shows that their programme editors saw this as an item that had concerned more than the one sample viewer that was featured which the "token" complaint chosen to feature. However, I credit you with enough intelligence to comprehend that there was far more just a few very complaints made to the BBC and this was the reason why this subject was deemed worthy enough by the programme editorial staff to be included in the programme. Your view of "discussion" appears to differ from mine in the total understanding of the use of this word as used in the English language.

You made a point of noting that the BBC local TV news was shown at 1930 in your own regional area, but do not explain why the BBC did not show it at its normal scheduled time of 1830 but broadcast a cookery programme at 1830 in place of the local TV news programme.

I hereby categorically wish to state that I do not wish to involve myself in any further fruitless discussion on this specific matter with you.

 

[bnm]

You made a point of noting that the BBC local TV news was shown at 1930 in your own regional area, but do not explain why the BBC did not show it at its normal scheduled time of 1830 but broadcast a cookery programme at 1830 in place of the local TV news programme.

I hereby categorically wish to state that I do not wish to involve myself in any further fruitless discussion on this specific matter with you.

Local news was shown at 1930 on BBC1 in every region on Wednesday last. There were technical reasons why the local news magazines couldn't be broadcast on BBC2. Switching a live broadcast from every region from one channel to another couldn't be done at short notice. Delaying the broadcast on the same channel was the least worst option. Switching the main news wasn't a problem as it was only one live feed, not fifteen as is the case with regional news. And it was short notice. With tennis you can never quite be certain of match duration. And as the tennis is already running then the BBC have to make a decision on whether to switch that instead. With the Wednesday match being a quarter final featuring a British player the BBC decided not to p*** off viewers who may have been watching it on time shift or recording it.

I have that info from a friend who works in transmission for the BBC in Bristol.

I hope that explains.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

In other news it looks like a decent match so far...

 

[HST Power]

In other news it looks like a decent match so far...

Yes, after having read through all that it does look like a decent match!

 

[familyguy99]

Well done Murray u wanted more then Djokovic.

I wouldn't be supporting Djokovic again I tell u that.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Well done Murray, fine performance, put the effort in and got his reward. I'm getting too hyped up because it has been well within his capabilities for a long time, there are some making it sound like David v. Goliath. The entire crowd willing you to lose won't have helped Djokovic either today.

Also, those calling for him to be knighted, no, just no. Don't reward what, if we are honest, should have been expected.

 

[Ivo]

Wow. We've waited so long for this. I almost (repeat, almost) started crying when Djokovic hit the net on that last point. And what an iconic day to do it on as well; eight years ago, 7/7 was a dark day for London, whereas now - it will be thought of as a specia day for all of Britain.

Well done Murray, fine performance, put the effort in and got his reward. I'm getting too hyped up because it has been well within his capabilities for a long time, there are some making it sound like David v. Goliath. The entire crowd willing you to lose won't have helped Djokovic either today.

Very well put Matt - true in every word. Wimbo 2013 may have had upsets left, riht and centre but the Final was the one everyone expected - and home support (and the experience of a more recent Centre Court title than your opponent) is surely worth more than one seed or rank, or indeed a few ranking points.

Also, those calling for him to be knighted, no, just no. Don't reward what, if we are honest, should have been expected.

You mean like Boris?

I wouldn't be supporting Djokovic again I tell u that.

Subject to this being specific to matches against Murray (and other Brits etc where applicable), good.

 

[richw]

Even the BBC are not as cynical as to publicise in advance when they are likely to cancel a local area news programme and replace it with a cookery programme.

Their local news cancellation of certain regional 1830 news programmes on one night last week was a feature that was discussed in the BBC News Review programme over the last 48 hours. I am sure it was not a figment of the imagination of their editorial programme staff on that programme that seemed to affect those who contacted the BBC to complain that their local news was rather more important than being offered a cookery programme in lieu.....

I'd also assume being a live program whether local presenters were available or scheduled to work at 1930?

 

[familyguy99]

Do anyone think this was Murray game plan when he miss French Open, relax for two weeks when all top players was playing in Paris then be fresh for Wimbledon and go out all gun blazing and win Championship like he did today.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

You mean like Boris?

Assuming you mean Johnson, if he has said that it wouldn't surprise me, he's a complete prat and says a lot of deluded things.

Subject to this being specific to matches against Murray (and other Brits etc where applicable), good.

Why? What right do you have to tell someone who to support? Tell me Ivo, please, why should I always support the Brit involved? And don't say 'patriotism', it's nonsense in this context and often leads to mindless arrogance.

 

[GB]

It would be good for British sport as a whole if Murray did win. We've waited long enough for a Brit to win a senior Wimbo title - even on the women's side it's been over 35 years now - and other aspects of our sports have been slipping as well. We need somethng to reinvigorate (is that even a word?) us...

What do you define as a "senior Wimbo title"? Did a Britain not help win the Wimbledon mens double in 2012?

 

[Ivo]

Stopping short of proper patriotism, it does sometimes help a player if their own country is behind. But a statement like that I made earlier is the kind of one you would expect from someone who has just seen the equivalent of a "lifetime of hurt" - is 77 years not a lifetime? - finally put to bed.

Don't get me wrong, I like Djokovic as much as the next guy - but, people who are still angry about the England thing aside, most of the country will support Murray against him.

What do you define as a "senior Wimbo title"? Did a Britain not help win the Wimbledon mens double in 2012?

That should have had the word "Singles" in it. It relates to 1977.
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Assuming you mean Johnson, if he has said that it wouldn't surprise me, he's a complete prat and says a lot of deluded things.

Becker

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Becker

Ah, my error. The knighthood comment was a completely stupid thing to say therefore I credited it to the biggest Boris I could think of who would have the thought process to do so. I always held Becker in higher regard than to say such nonsense like that. Shame.

 

[Johnuk123]

Do anyone think this was Murray game plan when he miss French Open, relax for two weeks when all top players was playing in Paris then be fresh for Wimbledon and go out all gun blazing and win Championship like he did today.

Yes..

 

[MidnightFlyer]

... someone who has just seen the equivalent of a "lifetime of hurt" - is 77 years not a lifetime? - finally put to bed.

Probably because we haven't had a world class player in 77 years... If we didn't build up expectation so much - Henman was never much more than above average - we wouldn't have such hurt. Perhaps one day we will accept we aren't always the best at everything, and when we do that will be a wonderful day for all concerned.

 

[bnm]

Only slight downer on the afternoon was Scotland First Minister Alex Salmond taking the opportunity to make a political point by waving a large Saltaire behind David Cameron.

Not only contravening Wimbledon rules about large flags, but a cynical political stunt.

 

[HST Power]

Only slight downer on the afternoon was Scotland First Minister Alex Salmond taking the opportunity to make a political point by waving a large Saltaire behind David Cameron.

Not only contravening Wimbledon rules about large flags, but a cynical political stunt.

I saw that, and I watched him speak afterwards, and I have to say that even the slightest respect I had left for the man since disappeared. He then went onto say that it was the 'best day he had ever had in London'. Maybe he should have just stayed at home and watched the Glasgow Open. Oh wait a second.....

 

[Eagle]

Probably because we haven't had a world class player in 77 years... If we didn't build up expectation so much - Henman was never much more than above average - we wouldn't have such hurt. Perhaps one day we will accept we aren't always the best at everything, and when we do that will be a wonderful day for all concerned.

I beg to differ, Henman was world class. He spent many years in the top 10 of the ATP rankings, peaking at number 4 in 2002 and again in 2004. (What he wasn't was consistently world class. :P)

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I beg to differ, Henman was world class. He spent many years in the top 10 of the ATP rankings, peaking at number 4 in 2002 and again in 2004. (What he wasn't was consistently world class. :P)

And in all his years only ever reached 6 Grand Slam Semi Finals, never any further. Also, his win:loss ratio was 496-274, decent but hardly amazing. To be fair he was in an era of great players, Roddick, Hewitt, Sampras, Philoppousis (or something like that!), but never seemed to really have that final factor that the rest carried. Agree though, consistency makes or breaks any sportsman.

 

[Eagle]

Also if he'd been born three or four years later (peaking in the Federer-Nadal domination era) he'd probably not have done as well as he did.

 

[Butts]

Well done Andy Murray - no more of the "seventy odd years" nonsense that is trotted out each year - thank the lord

When he bungled the first three match points I feared the worst......:cry:

It's hard to believe now he won in straight sets.....

Can I just thank Novak Djokovic for the wonderful sportsmanship he demonstrated at the conclusion of proceedings including the kind words he expressed in relation to Murray and the British public.

With regard to the Knighthood issue if Bradley Wiggins get's one for The Tour de France and Olympic Gold then by that yardstick so should Murray. However I'm sure that is not the top of his agenda or anyone elses at the moment.

I would have thought he must be a shoe in for BBC Sports Personality of the Year

 

[SkinnyDave]

Also if he'd been born three or four years later (peaking in the Federer-Nadal domination era) he'd probably not have done as well as he did.

Think that's a good point and shows how tough it has been for Murray to be playing arguably three of the best players in the modern era
Murray rankings since 2006
06=17
07=11
08=4
09=4
10=4
11=4
12=3
13so far =2

That is really good consistency in this era and with Federer on road to retirement and Nadal probably not going to be playing as many tournaments with his knees... There could be another couple of slams in there

 

[Eagle]

With regard to the Knighthood issue if Bradley Wiggins get's one for The Tour de France and Olympic Gold then by that yardstick so should Murray. However I'm sure that is not the top of his agenda or anyone elses at the moment.

There's an unwritten rule that you can't receive two honours within five years of each other. Which means he can't get an upgrade on his OBE until the New Year's Honours of 2018 (by which time I think he might be over the peak).