WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[newtownmgr]

That is great news about the 196s starting to appear on Worcester route services I shall have to consider a WMDR tomorrow after all!

Only out until 09:30 in the morning & from 17:50 in the evening.

 

[Fidelis]

Passengers to and from BHM -WOF-HFD would prefer a four car 196 rather than a two car and if this is to be the reduced capacity on the BHM 17.50 definitely a service to avoid as it is busy especially from University.

 

[Halish Railway]

Passengers to and from BHM -WOF-HFD would prefer a four car 196 rather than a two car and if this is to be the reduced capacity on the BHM 17.50 definitely a service to avoid as it is busy especially from University.

Yesterday saw a pair of two car 196s on the morning and evening diagram.

 

[newtownmgr]

Passengers to and from BHM -WOF-HFD would prefer a four car 196 rather than a two car and if this is to be the reduced capacity on the BHM 17.50 definitely a service to avoid as it is busy especially from University.

It was a 4 car. 2 x 2 = 4. 196006 & 005. Not sure why you thought it was only a 2 car, plenty of photos about showing the service.

Yesterday saw a pair of two car 196s on the morning and evening diagram.

Only on the evening diagram yesterday. The morning was a 170 + 172/2.

 

[Birmingham]

Will 196 be on the evening Worcester tonight?

 

[newtownmgr]

Will 196 be on the evening Worcester tonight?

Should be

 

[GWVillager]

Is it still the plan to get the 170s off for the May timetable change? If so, is it the diagram including 1M57 or 1M58 looking like the first one to switch over?

 

[NewClee153]

I had 196104 and 196108 today and no problems to report. Both were good journeys today. 104 from Telford Central to Smethwick Galton Bridge and 108 from Birmingham New Street to Telford Central.

I boarded 196104 today (1540 SHR-BHM 1651), I got on at Smethwick Galton Bridge, and I can confirm, it was a great journey

The more I ride these 196s, the more and more I really like them, still can’t believe these are built by CAF

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Should be

Was there one or two on the morning peak diagram today?

 

[newtownmgr]

Was there one or two on the morning peak diagram today?

Would have been 005 & 006.

Is it still the plan to get the 170s off for the May timetable change? If so, is it the diagram including 1M57 or 1M58 looking like the first one to switch over?

Yes 170’s will go by the timetable change.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Would have been 005 & 006.

Thanks! Good to see them trying to do both parts of the diagram today.

 

[Class172]

Should be

I can definitely confirm as I am on it!

It was late coming off Tyseley but no idea if that was a train issue.

 

[Techniquest]

Only out until 09:30 in the morning & from 17:50 in the evening.

Indeed, and I have factored that into my plan don't worry

 

[Liam L]

It was late coming off Tyseley but no idea if that was a train issue.

The driver picking it up was delayed by traffic I was told.

 

[newtownmgr]

I can definitely confirm as I am on it!

It was late coming off Tyseley but no idea if that was a train issue.

Not a train issue. Taxi late picking up the driver from Snow Hill & stuck in Traffic.

 

[Techniquest]

I'm hoping for good fortune later this evening with the 196s, I'm on a WMDR today for various little missions first. Ideally I'm aiming for the 2000 from Birmingham New Street, connecting onto GWR back to Hereford.

It was going to be a very serious amount of walking today, but the easterly wind is very strong and bitter so I chose a train day!

196005+196006 working the 2000 Birmingham New Street-Worcester Shrub Hill this evening I'm very pleased about that, taking these all the way to Worcester for a quick Tech's Thriller Filler walk before a GWR back to Hereford. Today was very different to the original plan, and same to the revised plan, but it's worked out rather nicely!

 

[william.martin]

I'm hoping for good fortune later this evening with the 196s, I'm on a WMDR today for various little missions first. Ideally I'm aiming for the 2000 from Birmingham New Street, connecting onto GWR back to Hereford.

It was going to be a very serious amount of walking today, but the easterly wind is very strong and bitter so I chose a train day!

196005+196006 working the 2000 Birmingham New Street-Worcester Shrub Hill this evening I'm very pleased about that, taking these all the way to Worcester for a quick Tech's Thriller Filler walk before a GWR back to Hereford. Today was very different to the original plan, and same to the revised plan, but it's worked out rather nicely!

Lovely stuff, I know you are on this forum somewhere, however may I thank Mr part time spotter for adding the Worcester diagrams onto his blog.

 

[Techniquest]

Lovely stuff, I know you are on this forum somewhere, however may I thank Mr part time spotter for adding the Worcester diagrams onto his blog.

I always forget those are on there Soon the Hereford services will start going to 196s and I am very much looking forward to that!

Anyone know what pair of 196s worked 5H26? I saw them at Proof House as I went down the ramp on 350267, but too far away to get the numbers. Thanks in advance

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Will the 4 car 196s ever work the Herefords or just the 2 cars?

 

[kbizzle]

I always forget those are on there Soon the Hereford services will start going to 196s and I am very much looking forward to that!

Anyone know what pair of 196s worked 5H26? I saw them at Proof House as I went down the ramp on 350267, but too far away to get the numbers. Thanks in advance

196001 + 196004

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I have a number of questions about how Chiltern Railways will operate the 196/0 fleet from 2024, which as this is a WMR thread can be found here:

Chiltern Railways operation of East West Rail

Just a few questions specifically regarding how Chiltern Railways were recently announced as the operator of initial EWR services. I appreciate some of the answers may not yet be known. Do we know if the hired 196/0 fleet planned to work services will be repainted/refurbished into Chiltern...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Will the 4 car 196s ever work the Herefords or just the 2 cars?

Both. All will be 4 car booked but whether that is to be 2x2 or a single 4 then I don't know.

 

[newtownmgr]

Will the 4 car 196s ever work the Herefords or just the 2 cars?

The 4 cars are waiting to have door controls fitted in the centre vehicles. Once that happens they will be on the Herefords as well. If one works before fitting the service will not be able to stop at University in the up (towards Birmingham) direction due to the guard not being able to see the full length of the Train due to platform curvature. On all services formed of 4 or 6 cars the guard is supposed to work from the middle, or at least shut the doors from there.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

The 4 cars are waiting to have door controls fitted in the centre vehicles. Once that happens they will be on the Herefords as well. If one works before fitting the service will not be able to stop at University in the up (towards Birmingham) direction due to the guard not being able to see the full length of the Train due to platform curvature. On all services formed of 4 or 6 cars the guard is supposed to work from the middle, or at least shut the doors from there.

Interesting thanks. Is it Driver Open Guard close or full guard? Can't remember which.

 

[Techniquest]

196001 + 196004

Thank you I will check my notes now as I think both of those are required for sighting

The 4 cars are waiting to have door controls fitted in the centre vehicles. Once that happens they will be on the Herefords as well. If one works before fitting the service will not be able to stop at University in the up (towards Birmingham) direction due to the guard not being able to see the full length of the Train due to platform curvature. On all services formed of 4 or 6 cars the guard is supposed to work from the middle, or at least shut the doors from there.

Ah that makes sense. That platform is very curvy after all.

 

[Class172]

The 4 cars are waiting to have door controls fitted in the centre vehicles. Once that happens they will be on the Herefords as well. If one works before fitting the service will not be able to stop at University in the up (towards Birmingham) direction due to the guard not being able to see the full length of the Train due to platform curvature. On all services formed of 4 or 6 cars the guard is supposed to work from the middle, or at least shut the doors from there.

Interesting, I had never considered that but thinking back to when I regularly used Uni station I do recall the guard being in the middle cab of a double set on Cross-City services, so that makes a lot of sense.

Interesting thanks. Is it Driver Open Guard close or full guard? Can't remember which.

Full guard operation as far as I'm aware.

 

[newtownmgr]

Interesting thanks. Is it Driver Open Guard close or full guard? Can't remember which.

Full control by the guard. Driver only touches the door during unit prep on depot.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Interesting, I had never considered that but thinking back to when I regularly used Uni station I do recall the guard being in the middle cab of a double set on Cross-City services, so that makes a lot of sense.

Full guard operation as far as I'm aware.

Full control by the guard. Driver only touches the door during unit prep on depot.

Thank you both, I thought it would be but was just checking!

 

[Jacob Porrett]

The 4 cars are waiting to have door controls fitted in the centre vehicles. Once that happens they will be on the Herefords as well. If one works before fitting the service will not be able to stop at University in the up (towards Birmingham) direction due to the guard not being able to see the full length of the Train due to platform curvature. On all services formed of 4 or 6 cars the guard is supposed to work from the middle, or at least shut the doors from there.

Interesting thank you

 

[william.martin]

The 4 cars are waiting to have door controls fitted in the centre vehicles. Once that happens they will be on the Herefords as well. If one works before fitting the service will not be able to stop at University in the up (towards Birmingham) direction due to the guard not being able to see the full length of the Train due to platform curvature. On all services formed of 4 or 6 cars the guard is supposed to work from the middle, or at least shut the doors from there.

So is that why we haven't seen 196101 for a while?