greatvoyager
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Are the 139s die for refurbishment?
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172 331 also returned north from Ilford following completion of its refurb.172 338 has gone to Ilford.
I don't know if this is something that's been picked up previously, but 350101 also has discrete "I'm a Double Shift Train" branding on the driving car body sides, explaining that the unit is also used in the West Midlands. There's nothing quite like brand clarity...350 101 has got LNWR livery...
Yes I and someone else has bought this up previously. I'm getting a list of all these names and will publish one at some point soon.I don't know if this is something that's been picked up previously, but 350101 also has discrete "I'm a Double Shift Train" branding on the driving car body sides, explaining that the unit is also used in the West Midlands. There's nothing quite like brand clarity...
Ah fair play: I went back a couple of pages to see if anything had been mentioned recently, but admit that I haven't been following the progress of this and related WMT threads closely.Yes I and someone else has bought this up previously. I'm getting a list of all these names and will publish one at some point soon.
Are the 139s die for refurbishment?
I would imagine that at some point they will change them into WMR seat covers, they have already got the new livery.The 139s are not WMR stock, that is a mini franchise operated by Pre Metro Operations Ltd, the smallest TOC in the country. Apart from any running repairs to seat covers, it is difficult to see what refurbishment can be done. With a journey time of 4 minutes there is no time to recharge your battery and by the time you have logged on to WIFI you will have reached your destination and accessible toilets will take up half the train.
That makes sense.The 139s are not WMR stock, that is a mini franchise operated by Pre Metro Operations Ltd, the smallest TOC in the country. Apart from any running repairs to seat covers, it is difficult to see what refurbishment can be done. With a journey time of 4 minutes there is no time to recharge your battery and by the time you have logged on to WIFI you will have reached your destination and accessible toilets will take up half the train.
I guess it depends if they see any need.I would imagine that at some point they will change them into WMR seat covers, they have already got the new livery.
So are they exempt from PRM in some way?The 139s are not WMR stock, that is a mini franchise operated by Pre Metro Operations Ltd, the smallest TOC in the country. Apart from any running repairs to seat covers, it is difficult to see what refurbishment can be done. With a journey time of 4 minutes there is no time to recharge your battery and by the time you have logged on to WIFI you will have reached your destination and accessible toilets will take up half the train.
I think they already have a PIS as they were built back in 2009, but they don’t need a toilet as it’s a small branch line.So are they exempt from PRM in some way?
Is the double branding temporary? I'm assuming WMR will try to use only their 730s when they arrive so the 350s only work on LNWR.
730/2 16 5 car units for long distance services (110mph)
So I would expect the 730/2s will continue to work West Midlands locals so may have double branding
The first of the 3 car units is current on test in Europe. I hope that the end doors can concertina back from this view as otherwise the driver is going to be blindsided. I note that this livery does not have the WM hatching on the front end.
Beyond silly now isnt it.I don't know if this is something that's been picked up previously, but 350101 also has discrete "I'm a Double Shift Train" branding on the driving car body sides, explaining that the unit is also used in the West Midlands. There's nothing quite like brand clarity...
Beyond silly now isnt it.
Its crying out for there to be two or three standard liveries for the whole country. Yes its dull for enthusiasts but its so much common sense. Got the silly situation of red 707s going to SE soon, which will need a repaint/vinyling of some sort (bring back blue and grey he screams)
Beyond silly now isnt it.
What was silly was using two brands for West Midlands Trains once the idea of actually splitting the franchises had been binned. The whole thing should have been branded "West Midlands Trains", with a "variant livery" per the old Regional Railways approach (and London Midland) for units that would never be used on non-PTE services.
Is the double branding temporary? I'm assuming WMR will try to use only their 730s when they arrive so the 350s only work on LNWR.
What was silly was using two brands for West Midlands Trains once the idea of actually splitting the franchises had been binned.
Don't the terms of the franchise require them to be ready that eventuality by the end of this franchise, so at least would have been an obligation until March/Covid/EMAs were a thing?
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Its been a rumour but I see it unlikely, they are already taking 36 730s to replace 26 323s, thats already 10 units extra so I doubt they will need the 9 323s, if they did they would probably order more 730s.Isn't there talk of retaining the few 323s that Northern aren't having? There should be enough for Walsall - Wolverhampton and the Chase to wherever they want them to go, BHI or maybe Crewe via Stoke, as per the original WMR map...
Less trains per hour running now on the Cross City though, so some WMR 730 will be free if things stay that way, which they probably should for the purposes of having a more workable timetable.
It seems to be the same brand as West Midlands Trains, the Abellio West Midlands (easiest name) branding is the most confusing on the network and it isn't uncommon to see people confused by it. West Midlands Trains is just too similar to West Midlands Railway, it is easy to say the wrong one so they should have dropped West Midlands Trains branding completely and call the company which runs it Abellio Rail West Midlands (Abellio do operate buses, just not in the west midlands), this is only for legal purposes and shouldn't be used in customer facing branding. The individual brands aren't small, they have ~90 trains each so I don't think they will need to share customer service staff, etc.There was originally another brand - "wmtraiiins" (not actually 3 Is, but there were diamonds above the I and the letters either side). That got dropped.
Greater Anglia still has Abellio Greater Anglia as its legal name despite being 40% Mitsui, this was sold later on though. What was FTPE called legally? In public branding Keolis didn't seem to really care that it was heavily First branded with almost no Keolis branding so I don't think they were too fussed. The other shareholders in West Midlands only have 15% each which is a small amount.It's not just Abellio, though. A bit like the previous incarnation of TPE, there's more investors - JR East (they must be pretty close to hara kiri if they knew what it was like) and Mitsui.
Legally FTPE was called First Keolis Transpennine Express, but then again unlike Greater Anglia First and Keolis tendered together at the time.Greater Anglia still has Abellio Greater Anglia as its legal name despite being 40% Mitsui, this was sold later on though. What was FTPE called legally? In public branding Keolis didn't seem to really care that it was heavily First branded with almost no Keolis branding so I don't think they were too fussed. The other shareholders in West Midlands only have 15% each which is a small amount.