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XC HST Leeds - Swanage farewell tour 26/09/23

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I get that the point is to travel on a route that they haven't travelled on in some time, but I still think a tour actually covering the whole XC route would've been better (similar to LNER's HST Farewell). So maybe a tour lasting a few days that covered Aberdeen, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Birmingham and then all of the SW places like Penzance, Plymouth etc.
 
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I get that the point is to travel on a route that they haven't travelled on in some time, but I still think a tour actually covering the whole XC route would've been better (similar to LNER's HST Farewell). So maybe a tour lasting a few days that covered Aberdeen, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Birmingham and then all of the SW places like Penzance, Plymouth etc.
I agree fully - GWR, Grand Central and EMR managed so no reason why XC can't do that!
 

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This looks really cool! I’ve never ridden on an HST so would love to seize the opportunity if I can get the day off work. Just hoping it will call at Bournemouth or Poole en-route to Swanage and back.
I fear you'll be disappointed if you're expecting it to be much different to other trains. Their interiors are vastly similar to other British stock, including the MK4 (which I personally prefer) and the 80x. It will no doubt be an interesting route, mind you, and Swanage is just lovely.
 

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I get that the point is to travel on a route that they haven't travelled on in some time, but I still think a tour actually covering the whole XC route would've been better (similar to LNER's HST Farewell). So maybe a tour lasting a few days that covered Aberdeen, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Birmingham and then all of the SW places like Penzance, Plymouth etc.
It’s very difficult to please everyone and one assumes spare resources to run such tours aren’t abundant. I think they’ve done reasonably well to provide an interesting itinerary.
 

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GWR, Grand Central and EMR managed so no reason why XC can't do that!
What knowledge of the network's free paths and planning do you have to make this claim? CrossCountry has the most expansive network in the UK, intertwining with many other TOC's patches. It's not simple to fit another train service in, much less an enthusiast's charter.

Seen this posted:
43208 repainted into BR Blue/Grey (now carrying number 43008) and 43207 into IC Swallow

Hopefully they do some carriages while they are at it - seems a bit wasteful for a couple months use mind!
I'd rather they used their money and resources down at Burton-under-Needswood instead, frankly. Their Voyagers are dirty and need a good clean. Their interiors do too. It'd surely be far more important to keep the fleet that will, from October, operate all of their Intercity routes. Not that they don't already handle the vast majority of services, of course.
 

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Also remember that XC are under no obligation to run any "farewell special" service at all. That they've announced this working well in advance and that it visits a destination off their usual routes along with some unusual track to avoid Birmingham New Street, is to be appreciated.
 

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Also remember that XC are under no obligation to run any "farewell special" service at all. That they've announced this working well in advance and that it visits a destination off their usual routes along with some unusual track to avoid Birmingham New Street, is to be appreciated.
Quite so. I think it looks a really rather pleasant tour. I'd be tempted to book on purely for a direct train from the Midlands (easy access from Cardiff) to childhood-favourite Swanage, frankly, regardless of the traction.
 

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Before looking to run additional one-off charter services, the XC senior leadership team should be focusing on delivering their existing contracted services on a daily basis. Yet another example (and not unique to XC) of the industry failing to focus on the basics of providing a regular and reliable service seven days a week.
 

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Sorry could you explain this statement please, thanks.
PRM legislation requires that the doors be painted in contrasting colours from the rest of the livery, unlike the historic BR livery. However, I'm sure that this minor inaccuracy will be forgiven.
 

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PRM legislation requires that the doors be painted in contrasting colours from the rest of the livery, unlike the historic BR livery. However, I'm sure that this minor inaccuracy will be forgiven.
I had thought this was exempt for railtours, although suppose it's the fact the trains would be expected in standard service before then.
 

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I had thought this was exempt for railtours, although suppose it's the fact the trains would be expected in standard service before then.

If there is an exemption for railtours then that's probably because there are plenty of stewards around (one per coach in some cases) to assist passengers onto the train. Whether that will be the case for this particular railtour remains to be seen.
 

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If there is an exemption for railtours then that's probably because there are plenty of stewards around (one per coach in some cases) to assist passengers onto the train. Whether that will be the case for this particular railtour remains to be seen.
I thought it was because it isn't public transport if it's a railtour, it's a private operation.
 

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Has a HST ever been to Swanage
Yes, both First Great Western and East Midlands Trains sets have been to Swanage on charity tours.

I agree fully - GWR, Grand Central and EMR managed so no reason why XC can't do that!
Not exactly and it's not as simple as you make it out to be - Grand Central's tour went considerably off their own patch covering the Hope and Calder Valley routes on the journey from Sheffield to Manchester and back to Bradford while EMRs was a much smaller, much less grander affair simply using what was otherwise a route learning train. To do a tour running fully across the XC network would need some considerable pathing - and would take a lot more time, effort and probably cost to achieve.
 
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If there is an exemption for railtours then that's probably because there are plenty of stewards around (one per coach in some cases) to assist passengers onto the train. Whether that will be the case for this particular railtour remains to be seen.
The set should go up to Neville Hill for the tour the week before as a service train, so not an option. It is, of course, all speculation about re-liverying a set. Remember that there is at least one set at Wabtec for C6 currently, which limits the options for stopping sets for vinyl application.
 

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The set should go up to Neville Hill for the tour the week before as a service train, so not an option. It is, of course, all speculation about re-liverying a set. Remember that there is at least one set at Wabtec for C6 currently, which limits the options for stopping sets for vinyl application.

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I suppose it is inevitable to draw a comparison of what has been done in the past with "farewells" but we are in chastened times in the industry. Is the XC HST farewell involving just the one day Swanage trip ? I have heard rumours of a GWR Laira staff and families trip to the seaside but not seen any confirmation of that.

We could speculate that a revinyled trailer set could be provided for the farewell perhaps if the fleet owner knows who becomes the next operator after XC. This might be somewhat different to the HST which was repainted / revinyled for the LNER farewell, which I believe is now gathering moss in Ely.

On a side note, Those power cars won't be gathering moss for much longer (though the trailers from the set seem to be at their new owners site in Cambridgeshire). Angel are working their way through the stored power cars for spares for the current mainline fleet. Expect a few more (road) moves to Newport Docks soon enough.

Just the Swanage trip made public so far.
 

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Before looking to run additional one-off charter services, the XC senior leadership team should be focusing on delivering their existing contracted services on a daily basis. Yet another example (and not unique to XC) of the industry failing to focus on the basics of providing a regular and reliable service seven days a week.
They are. They are getting rid of the HST to do just that.

The time and cost involved in making this trip happen is bot all in the grand scheme of things and will generate XC some easy PR and will take no one away from their day jobs.
 

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They are. They are getting rid of the HST to do just that.

The time and cost involved in making this trip happen is bot all in the grand scheme of things and will generate XC some easy PR and will take no one away from their day jobs.
Probably a nice thank you to the staff that have kept them ticking over too
 

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Yes, both First Great Western and East Midlands Trains sets have been to Swanage on charity tours.


Not exactly and it's not as simple as you make it out to be - Grand Central's tour went considerably off their own patch covering the Hope and Calder Valley routes on the journey from Sheffield to Manchester and back to Bradford while EMRs was a much smaller, much less grander affair simply using what was otherwise a route learning train. To do a tour running fully across the XC network would need some considerable pathing - and would take a lot more time, effort and probably cost to achieve.
The FGW set only went as far as Corfe Castle due to gauging issues. It also had to be routed via the loop at Norden to avoid the platform.
 

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Now bookable via the BLS (Branch Line Society) - £95 for the main tour to Swanage and £30 for the Bournemouth mini-tour
 

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I was tempted but its very disappointing there is seemingly no First Class available - which is presumably reserved for the big knobs invited by Cross Country and Modern Railways, while the Clampetts subsidise the trip in Standard - so I won’t bother.
 

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Now bookable via the BLS (Branch Line Society) - £95 for the main tour to Swanage and £30 for the Bournemouth mini-tour
£95 is less than I was expecting, though it's disappointing that First isn't being offered. I suppose it makes it £125 if you want to spend the whole day on the HST! ;)
 

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This does at least suggest that there are sufficient HST trailers with SSL couplings, to enable the trip to take place.
Any luck some of these vehicles may go on to be saved to enable tours in preservation (the Blue Pullman ones clearly must be but is it known how many others are?)
 
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