NeilWatson
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If I've read the timetables correctly, the first Night Tube train will depart Loughton at 00.03 on Saturday 20th August - can anyone confirm please.
It depends how you define Night Tube. That might be the first train after midnight, but trains run later than midnight at the moment anyway.
I'm thinking that the DVAs will be different for Night Tube. For example will announce just interchanges with the anothers night lines.
They will be different in the fact that the driver will be turning them off and doing manual announcements, or at least cancelling the message at certain stations. The Central line announcements won't be updated until 2020...I'm thinking that the DVAs will be different for Night Tube. For example will announce just interchanges with the anothers night lines.
We've been told it's going to be mainly nurses and night workers who mainly use Night Tube :roll:Given the likely clientele of Night Tube, surely the existing announcements wouldn't be suitable. It'd probably be better for the driver to shout the name of the station *very* slowly down the PA
We've been told it's going to be mainly nurses and night workers who mainly use Night Tube :roll:
How on earth did you manage to infer that?We've been told it's going to be mainly nurses and night workers who mainly use Night Tube :roll:
In which case, why choose Friday and Saturday nights?
That came from "up above", not my views (or many others).How on earth did you manage to infer that?
I've missed something here. The last time I looked at anything to do with a night tube service the drivers were on strike about it. What happened?
How on earth did you manage to infer that?
However I don't think we should run away with the idea that people in low paid jobs who work extreme unsocial hours are going to gain very much from a tube service running two nights a week and which won't serve certain London boroughs where poorer people have to live (Barking and Dagenham, parts of Havering, poorer bits of Enfield, Uxbridge and Feltham, parts of South London).
If TfL were *really* concerned with providing fast journeys for essential / low paid workers they'd restructure elements of the Night Bus network to give express night buses to get people into / out of town quickly but TfL don't believe in such things.
I'm still wondering when the first Night Tube Rail Replacement Buses will operate.
However I don't think we should run away with the idea that people in low paid jobs who work extreme unsocial hours are going to gain very much from a tube service running two nights a week and which won't serve certain London boroughs where poorer people have to live (Barking and Dagenham, parts of Havering, poorer bits of Enfield, Uxbridge and Feltham, parts of South London).
If TfL were *really* concerned with providing fast journeys for essential / low paid workers they'd restructure elements of the Night Bus network to give express night buses to get people into / out of town quickly but TfL don't believe in such things.
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I don't believe the express service ever ran non-stop from Finsbury Park to Muswell Hill. There would be little point doing so today, as a large number (if not the majority) of passengers alight at Crouch End Broadway.also to reinstate what used to be an express route from Finsbury Park to Muswell Hill, non-stop.
I don't believe the express service ever ran non-stop from Finsbury Park to Muswell Hill. There would be little point doing so today, as a large number (if not the majority) of passengers alight at Crouch End Broadway.
In its final incarnation, the express service didn't even serve Muswell Hill; but operated as W2 from Turnpike Lane- running express from Alexandra Park stopping at Crouch End, Crouch Hill and Stroud Green.
No. It has the N41 (to Trafalgar Square via Archway & Angel) and the N91 (to Trafalgar Square via Hornsey Road & Caledonian Road).Does Crouch End not have another night bus service to Finsbury Park too?
I confess I am sceptical about the whole idea of the night tube despite being a potential beneficiary of the service. I just think it's an awful lot of expense, that will increase as services expand, to provide a service for a minority of people. The money could really be spent on other far more worthwhile schemes that would benefit vastly more people. If TfL and the Mayor were awash with cash, rather than facing a fall in income and grants, and had "fixed" the most pressing transport problems then yes you could indulge in "icing on the cake" services like a Night Tube at weekends. If London had the infrastructure and maintenance flexibility to run a nightly tube service, like NYC can, then I think the "game changer" tag and the effect on workers would be much more justified and relevant. However we don't have the infrastructure that is needed so it's always going to be a leisure orientated service rather than something genuinely essential.
Train 322
Epping 23 52½
Loughton 00 02¼
Ealing Ebdwy 01 05¾
is a later train than the usual Mon-Thur times.
Night Tube train numbers on the Central Line start at 301, which leave Hainualt depot at 06 36 Friday morning. T322 is also a Night Tube train, which starts from Loughton siding at 04 53 on a Friday morning.
Correspondingly, on the Victoria Line the first additional later trains are:
T203
Brixton 00 34 15
Walthamstow 01 04 30.
T206
Walthamstow 00 20 00
Brixton 00 51 15.
I know that London is probably different from the rest of the UK. It is one of the major capital cities in the world and is becoming very much a 24 hour city.
However, for those of us living in other parts of the UK, outside of the major cities, even night buses seem a luxury, although from having used them in London I do know that they are essential services for many workers.
If the night tube services do prove to be predominantly used for non essential leisure travel especially by late night party goers, those of us outside London will feel even more let down as we see our bus services cut yet again. The other week I was staying with friends near Hampstead and on one hot night, when I couldn't sleep, I was watching the N5 bus go by every 10-15 minutes, often with only a handful of passengers on each bus.
Yet here in Nottinghamshire, as in many of the more rural shire counties, we lost our Sunday bus services years ago and are now currently seeing our bus services after 6pm each evening being cut. Unless you live on one of the major routes radiating in and out of the city there are no Sunday or evening services.
Even with the great changes regarding Sunday trading and the shops of our cities being at their busiest on Sunday afternoons, especially during the run up to Christmas, these Sunday services cut nearly 20 years ago have never been restored. I don't suppose that we will ever now see our evening services restored. These are essential services that are needed by workers to get home from work at the end of the day or to work in the shops on Sunday's.
Great that all this money can be spent in London where I agree it's a completely different situation. A 24 hour city with a huge population, but it does seem very unfair, if night tube services are being provided for young party goers, when those living elsewhere in the UK are seeing their essential bus services cut even further.