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[MB162435]

Sorry - are you talking about the Callywith College route from Truro to Bodmin or was it Bodmin to Truro College?

Eclipses did appear on the Callywith- Truro College 89 run at least during last year, but was mainly Darts as far as I saw

Caught 108 on the Callywith 89 service on the 21st May

 

[Accelerator59]

Eclipses did appear on the Callywith- Truro College 89 run at least during last year, but was mainly Darts as far as I saw

Caught 108 on the Callywith 89 service on the 21st May

Yeah, that’s the one I meant. I did see a photo of it upon Googling it, but it got deleted. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Eclipses did appear on the Callywith- Truro College 89 run at least during last year, but was mainly Darts as far as I saw

Caught 108 on the Callywith 89 service on the 21st May

Right....

This sub thread was started about the curremt TfC 89 only going to Fraddon and then morphed (but not clearly) into the old Truro College 89, with chat about such quality machines being replaced etc. Hence why we’ve been talking at crossed purposes.

IIRC, the old 89 was operated by Bodmin outstation. Their main work until this year was the 11 (for which B7RLEs were allocated) and I assume that an extra one was allocated for the old 89 for flexibility/commonality reasons.

 

[MB162435]

Yeah, that’s the one I meant. I did see a photo of it upon Googling it, but it got deleted. Thanks for the confirmation.

No worries, don't believe Eclipses on the Cally 89 was all that common but not quite a rarity

Shame they were all gone by the time the TfC 89 came about, they would of been great suitable buses for that route but by that time PCB was set on ADL for TfC

Right....

This sub thread was started about the curremt TfC 89 only going to Fraddon and then morphed (but not clearly) into the old Truro College 89, with chat about such quality machines being replaced etc. Hence why we’ve been talking at crossed purposes.

IIRC, the old 89 was operated by Bodmin outstation. Their main work until this year was the 11 (for which B7RLEs were allocated) and I assume that an extra one was allocated for the old 89 for flexibility/commonality reasons.

I was answering the questions of if Eclipses ever appeared on the 89 in general, as they had all but gone by the time the TfC 89 appeared anyway I believe

The 89 I saw yesterday at Truro Bus Station still said Bodmin on it, so would assume it still does the whole route, can't see the point in it terminating at Fraddon

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Does the 89 still run full route as per the TfC timetable online as Google thinks it only runs Truro-Fraddon all day.

According to the TFC website the 89 runs between Bodmin - Truro on Mon-Fri.

Agreed, but despite it appearing correct , TfC do have a habit of changing times on twitter and not updating their website so I just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed a random tweet from them.

Which used to be run by the Volvo B7RLE Eclipse Urban 2s. How come they got sent to Manchester?

They moved to upgrade the GNW fleet. GoAhead obviously decided that rattly old ex London E200s were more appropriate for the PCB fleet.

This was the thread....you can see we hopped from the new to the old 89.

Obviously, they were lovely machines and it would seem to be rather sad to see them head to Manchester. That being said, no one can say that Go SW hasn't received modern fleet over the years and Go NW were in need of updating.

 

[MB162435]

PCB Driver Trainer Citaro seen on driver training duties in Falmouth earlier on today

Wonder what it was doing in Falmouth with all local duties done by OTS drivers

 

[Accelerator59]

Yeah, my bad. I was referring to the old 89 pre-TfC. Sorry for any confusion

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Yeah, my bad. I was referring to the old 89 pre-TfC. Sorry for any confusion

No worries - I’ve confused enough folk myself

 

[richw]

It's being paid for with a government grant.

Yep I know, but where is it? Disappeared into the ether?

Can CC be trusted to use it for the correct things especially with massive budget issues at the council thanks to covid.

a side note is that TfC cap all fares at £6 so if the fare is down as more it gets automatically reduced to the £6 cap. As a result some journeys are £6 single and £6 return!!! Is this a back door fare reduction thing?

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Can CC be trusted to use it for the correct things especially with massive budget issues at the council thanks to covid.

Yes because it's ring-fenced.

 

[Goldfish62]

a side note is that TfC cap all fares at £6 so if the fare is down as more it gets automatically reduced to the £6 cap. As a result some journeys are £6 single and £6 return!!! Is this a back door fare reduction thing?

The fares reduction will have to be available to all operators.

Someone stated a few posts back (or was it on another thread) that the scheme is now postponed until January.

It may be that the DfT doesn't want it used while the Covid bus funding thingy* is in place and January is currently targeted for its removal (pure speculation on my part).

*I got a telling off by the Moderator Police for using the abbreviation for the current funding scheme even though I stated in it full a few posts back. Perhaps we'll be banned from using FK, TfC, CC etc next.

 

[Lizard1324]

Anyone know when the enviro 400mmc and the new enviro 200mmc will see use on the cornish roads

 

[Goldfish62]

Anyone know when the enviro 400mmc and the new enviro 200mmc will see use on the cornish roads

Some have had their logos applied so I would think very soon now. It'll be interesting to see what their interiors are like.

 

[Yarp1]

Sorry - are you talking about the Callywith College route from Truro to Bodmin or was it Bodmin to Truro College?

Pcb did do a route before tfc started that went from bodmin to treliske and truro collage I think via bugle and roache

 

[Accelerator59]

No worries - I’ve confused enough folk myself

I confuse myself sometimes

 

[LAIRA]

Seen at Milehouse on Thursday were E400 MMC's 5008-5010 WA70DZH/DZJ/DZK E200 2430/2432 WA70EBX/EDX. I was told 2 more expected Friday. Sorry no photos.

Further new buses at Milehouse today were WA70DZL/DZM E400's and WA70ECX/DXV E200's

 

[richw]

Yes because it's ring-fenced.

Have you anything to verify that? I’ve heard from other sources close to the scene that it’s not ring fenced!

 

[embers25]

200 being made redundant at Cornwall CC. Maybe they should start in transport with everyone behind the Go Cornwall deal which has yet to delivered on virtually anything it promised.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Have you anything to verify that? I’ve heard from other sources close to the scene that it’s not ring fenced!

It’s a DfT pilot, as stated on the GOV website. Also proclaimed by Grant Shapps at the Tory party conference.

Is it likely that CC will be given £23m over 4 years and that they’d be allowed to spend it on something other than the pilot?

 

[richw]

It’s a DfT pilot, as stated on the GOV website. Also proclaimed by Grant Shapps at the Tory party conference.

Is it likely that CC will be given £23m over 4 years and that they’d be allowed to spend it on something other than the pilot?

I’m led to believe the conditions of the £23m was anything transport related and the rest is spin.

 

[Goldfish62]

I’m led to believe the conditions of the £23m was anything transport related and the rest is spin.

Do you have a source for this?

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I’m led to believe the conditions of the £23m was anything transport related and the rest is spin.

Do you have a source for this?

Let's put it another way. The Secretary of State announced this as a high profile pilot scheme, backed up with statements in the press from the DfT.

However, there's a belief that Cornwall Council can just unilaterally decide to spend the money on "anything transport related" rather than the fares pilot? Not only that, they can do this and still get the money for the other three years?

Irrespective of how farcical CC have been, I don't think they'll go down that line.

 

[richw]

Let's put it another way. The Secretary of State announced this as a high profile pilot scheme, backed up with statements in the press from the DfT.

However, there's a belief that Cornwall Council can just unilaterally decide to spend the money on "anything transport related" rather than the fares pilot? Not only that, they can do this and still get the money for the other three years?

Irrespective of how farcical CC have been, I don't think they'll go down that line.

sorry got muddled with the money that they spend on subsidy that isn’tn ring fenced.
Fares Pilot money is ring fenced.
However it also can only be spent on a project that has the support of operators.
CC has to date been unable to suggest any scheme that is remotely capable of being supported.
The free fares proposal fiasco was brought to an end When Dft said it couldn’t be funded from the Pilot pot.
I believe that when they have a coherent supported proposal it still needs to be agreed by the Dft to release the money

 

[Goldfish62]

sorry got muddled with the money that they spend on subsidy that isn’tn ring fenced.
Fares Pilot money is ring fenced.
However it also can only be spent on a project that has the support of operators.
CC has to date been unable to suggest any scheme that is remotely capable of being supported.
The free fares proposal fiasco was brought to an end When Dft said it couldn’t be funded from the Pilot pot.
I believe that when they have a coherent supported proposal it still needs to be agreed by the Dft to release the money

Thanks, yes that makes perfect sense.

I'd have thought the town zones would be a good starting point, given that both operators have the same zones and the same fare (£15 for five days).

I don't know how TfC and FK single and return tickets compare.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

sorry got muddled with the money that they spend on subsidy that isn’tn ring fenced.
Fares Pilot money is ring fenced.
However it also can only be spent on a project that has the support of operators.
CC has to date been unable to suggest any scheme that is remotely capable of being supported.
The free fares proposal fiasco was brought to an end When Dft said it couldn’t be funded from the Pilot pot.
I believe that when they have a coherent supported proposal it still needs to be agreed by the Dft to release the money

No worries

It's classic "cart before the horse" territory again from Cornwall Council. Better to have agreed the concept with all operators and get buy in before going with the begging bowl from the government.

Thanks, yes that makes perfect sense.

I'd have thought the town zones would be a good starting point, given that both operators have the same zones and the same fare (£15 for five days).

I don't know how TfC and FK single and return tickets compare.

Yes, think the local zones are probably the best place to start.

 

[Goldfish62]

Yes, think the local zones are probably the best place to start.

Keep the fare at £3, but available to buy for an individual day, and to be valid on both TfC and FK. Just a suggestion.

 

[Busaholic]

Keep the fare at £3, but available to buy for an individual day, and to be valid on both TfC and FK. Just a suggestion.

I can see where you're coming from, but the longer the hiatus continues the greater the pressure will be for some more radical action. There's a heartbreaking letter in the current edition of the 'Cornishman' from a young lady living in Lamorna and commuting daily to St Ives by bus and train, both run by First, and how her journey has become so much longer and more expensive since pre-lockdown. She provides full details of both fares and timetables and they appear to be spot-on.

 

[richw]

I can see where you're coming from, but the longer the hiatus continues the greater the pressure will be for some more radical action. There's a heartbreaking letter in the current edition of the 'Cornishman' from a young lady living in Lamorna and commuting daily to St Ives by bus and train, both run by First, and how her journey has become so much longer and more expensive since pre-lockdown. She provides full details of both fares and timetables and they appear to be spot-on.

There have been no fare changes for either First kernow or GWR in that period of time.
GWR last fare change was January 2020 (it was only a couple of percent so on such a low fare you’re looking at maybe 10-20 pence, FK last fare increase was even longer ago than that, I’m pretty sure the last one was summer 2019.

 

[Busaholic]

There have been no fare changes for either First kernow or GWR in that period of time.
GWR last fare change was January 2020, FK last fare increase longer ago than that.

You ought to read the letter before commenting! There have been to changes to the fares, but the cancellation by FGW of the 08.36 train from Pz to St Ives meant she was no longer able to use her Devon and Cornwall Railcard to get to work on time, having to take an earlier train with wait at St Erth at full peak fare. She is extremely uncomplimentary about the cleanliness of the trains, the lack of sanitisers anywhere and the (to me, unforgivable) lack of WCs at St Erth Station, but that's not for discussion here!

 

[richw]

You ought to read the letter before commenting!

You ought to supply it in line with forum rules When referencing extends sources rather than leaving us guessing the content.