New Scottish COVID-19 Restrictions 07/10/2020

[Scotrail12]

I thought areas you listed (excluding Fife) was going to 4?

I agree regarding lockdown(s) I’m feeling on the same boat

I thought it was only Glasgow, Lanarkshire and maybe Ayrshire?

I'll travel wherever.

 

[kez19]

I thought it was only Glasgow, Lanarkshire and maybe Ayrshire?

I'll travel wherever.

God knows! , I agree on your second bit “travel wherever” I rather do that too but I mostly use public transport and don’t want to get caught by the fashion police

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

She got herself into this mess when limited restrictions were imposed in Glasgow and surrounding area in September. Combine that with the University fiasco and here we are.

 

[Scotrail12]

God knows! , I agree on your second bit “travel wherever” I rather do that too but I mostly use public transport and don’t want to get caught by the fashion police

I'm public transport only as well but that won't stop me.

Likely areas are:

• Glasgow
• North Lanarkshire
• South Lanarkshire
• Renfrewshire
• East Dunbartonshire
• East Renfrewshire
• West Dunbartonshire

Looks like my 2020 birthday will be in Edinburgh.

 

[route101]

Apparently Wee Nippy was basically indicating that Tier 4 is imminent in Glasgow/Lanarkshire.

Can I just travel to Ayrshire, Stirling, Fife, Edinburgh etc? My mental health won't take another lockdown and I do not want to waste another minute of my life in a lockdown which I have to pay back in future and which will not actually prevent deaths.

I still get out and about when i can by public transport.

 

[kez19]

I'm public transport only as well but that won't stop me.

Likely areas are:

• Glasgow
• North Lanarkshire
• South Lanarkshire
• Renfrewshire
• East Dunbartonshire
• East Renfrewshire
• West Dunbartonshire

Looks like my 2020 birthday will be in Edinburgh.

Enjoy Edinburgh! Not keen on Edinburgh to before but still at least it’s change of scenery!

I still get out and about when i can by public transport.

I wouldn’t mind doing this where I am too (just a bit scared) but what can you say or do if it came to the worst? I got lost? Change of scenery? (doubt fashion police would take that as an excuse)

She got herself into this mess when limited restrictions were imposed in Glasgow and surrounding area in September. Combine that with the University fiasco and here we are.

Remember folks.... the buck stops with her! You have the power! I wonder if tables are about to turn? (I believe she said this herself regarding the buck.. so she is responsible for everything happening in Scotland)

 

[route101]

Enjoy Edinburgh! Not keen on Edinburgh to before but still at least it’s change of scenery!




I wouldn’t mind doing this where I am too (just a bit scared) but what can you say or do if it came to the worst? I got lost? Change of scenery? (doubt fashion police would take that as an excuse)




Remember folks.... the buck stops with her! You have the power! I wonder if tables are about to turn? (I believe she said this herself regarding the buck.. so she is responsible for everything happening in Scotland)

Scared of what?

I highly doubt the police are going to board the bus from East Kilbride to Glasgow!

 

[Scotrail12]

Scared of what?

I highly doubt the police are going to board the bus from East Kilbride to Glasgow!

Agreed - where I think police are likely to be are places like Central, Queen Street or Waverley where there are probably higher levels of traffic and more potential 'rulebreakers'. They won't be on much trains (if any) and certainly not at quieter stations.

 

[kez19]

Scared of what?

I highly doubt the police are going to board the bus from East Kilbride to Glasgow!

Being honest, I do feel scared at times even on public transport (at local level I feel fine but its the attitude of some people I now witness it needs to change), for me its if I was to have a daytrip to say St Andrews or Perth, who is to say I would get stopped randomly? I know those areas including mine are #3.

I need to also say today, I was on board a bus today with a "kind" lady who came away with saying "people not wearing masks and using exempt.... what a load of sh..e!... should be wearing them...", (I had a mask on me didn't wear it doubt it was a dig at me either but still..), I get the impression however that the public are becoming nosey into people's lives/medical history if this is the case.

What business is it of mine in regards to you? It should be none and people should be left on their own!

 

[route101]

Just ignore these people and the drivel you see on Glasgow/Edinburgh Live. No ones business what your up to. The police don't have the resource to check randomly check people on buses/trains.

People in Glasgow moan all the time, just have to ignore it. Even if police were to stop you, they will just ask what you doing. This is not happening in tier 3.

Agreed - where I think police are likely to be are places like Central, Queen Street or Waverley where there are probably higher levels of traffic and more potential 'rulebreakers'. They won't be on much trains (if any) and certainly not at quieter stations.

I dont even think they were checking much if all at Central etc in April. If it was it would be the services to England. Dont think they have resource to do that.

 

[kez19]

Just ignore these people and the drivel you see on Glasgow/Edinburgh Live. No ones business what your up to. The police don't have the resource to check randomly check people on buses/trains.

People in Glasgow moan all the time, just have to ignore it. Even if police were to stop you, they will just ask what you doing. This is not happening in tier 3.


I dont even think they were checking much if all at Central etc in April. If it was it would be the services to England. Dont think they have resource to do that.

good points made here.

 

[Scotrail12]

Tier 4 areas are as follows:
City of Glasgow, Renfrewshire, East Renfrewshire, East Dunbartonshire, West Dunbartonshire, North Lanarkshire, South Lanarkshire, East Ayrshire, South Ayrshire, Stirling & West Lothian

From Friday.

Thanks Wee Nippy, history will never forget you.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

The current guidance on travel restrictions is also to become law from Friday.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1328714363570630656

"It is essential that we all abide by travel restrictions"

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says from Friday "people living in Level 3 or Level 4 must not travel outside their own council area except for certain essential purposes"

 

[duncanp]

Tier 4 areas are as follows:
City of Glasgow, Renfrewshire, East Renfrewshire, East Dunbartonshire, West Dunbartonshire, North Lanarkshire, South Lanarkshire, East Ayrshire, South Ayrshire, Stirling & West Lothian

From Friday.

Thanks Wee Nippy, history will never forget you.

It seems that the Scottish Tier 4 is very close to the lockdown that is in force in England, apart from minor differences over things such and places of worship.

You will never get Mrs Sturgeon to admit that she is copying England though.

 

[GusB]

Tier 4 areas are as follows:
City of Glasgow, Renfrewshire, East Renfrewshire, East Dunbartonshire, West Dunbartonshire, North Lanarkshire, South Lanarkshire, East Ayrshire, South Ayrshire, Stirling & West Lothian

From Friday.

Thanks Wee Nippy, history will never forget you.

The First Minister's name is Nicola Sturgeon, not "wee nippy". Apart from the fact that there may be some readers who might not know who you're talking about, using these silly wee names is rather juvenile, don't you think?

It's possible to have a discussion about these restrictions without resorting to the usual childish behaviour.

 

[Scotrail314209]

I'm pleasantly surprised that my local area is remaining in Tier 3. However, I do worry that we will have an ever so slight spike with people from South and East Ayrshire flocking to Irvine to do their shopping.

 

[Scotrail12]

The First Minister's name is Nicola Sturgeon, not "wee nippy". Apart from the fact that there may be some readers who might not know who you're talking about, using these silly wee names is rather juvenile, don't you think?

It's possible to have a discussion about these restrictions without resorting to the usual childish behaviour.

That's totally cool but I don't believe she deserves that respect with everything she's done.

 

[NorthOxonian]

I'm pleasantly surprised that my local area is remaining in Tier 3. However, I do worry that we will have an ever so slight spike with people from South and East Ayrshire flocking to Irvine to do their shopping.

I suspect Falkirk will be in much the same boat - other than the Kincardine Bridge, it's entirely surrounded by areas in Tier 4 (Stirling, West Lothian, and North Lanarkshire).

 

[scotrail158713]

Tier 4 areas are as follows:
City of Glasgow, Renfrewshire, East Renfrewshire, East Dunbartonshire, West Dunbartonshire, North Lanarkshire, South Lanarkshire, East Ayrshire, South Ayrshire, Stirling & West Lothian

From Friday.

Thanks Wee Nippy, history will never forget you.

Glad it’s being done, but it should’ve been done a long time ago.
More positively East and Midlothian both move down to Tier 2.

 

[Ian Cunningham]

The current guidance on travel restrictions is also to become law from Friday.

I don't think they had much choice, especially as we now have some Level 2 areas bordering with Level 4.
The attitude of some people (including some very vocal voices on here) seems to be "it's just advice, I can ignore it if I find it inconvenient" - that attitude does not help.
If population can't be trusted to follow simple advice then then it is inevitable that it will be put into law so it a) encourages people to take it seriously and b) it can be enforced if needed

There are significant differences in infection rates between some council areas and we really need to try and contain it where it is otherwise we end up with more and more of the country in uneccessarily tighter restrictions, more infections, more hospitalisations and more uneccesary economic damage

In Musselburgh (East Lothian so changing to level 2) we are right up against the east side of Edinburgh which remains in Level 3 - We have the particular issue of people can just hop a bus and come out from the city to go to the pubs here. While the local infection rate in Muss is similar to Edinburgh (in reality Musselburgh/Wallford/Prestonpans/Tranent interoperate more with Edinburgh City than the rest of the county) an influx of drinkers would not be welcome or helpful to keeping us in Level 2.
Our case-rate here is actually indicitive of Level 1 restrictions but there's no way we're going there until Edinburgh comes down to 2 and that can't realistically happen until West Lothian drops to at least 3 again

 

[Scotrail12]

They actually did have a choice and could have decided not to implement any more restrictions because shock horror - there are things other than COVID and people should be allowed to make their own decisions as we live in a free, democratic society not a dictatorship.

 

[adrock1976]

I'm public transport only as well but that won't stop me.

Likely areas are:

• Glasgow
• North Lanarkshire
• South Lanarkshire
• Renfrewshire
• East Dunbartonshire
• East Renfrewshire
• West Dunbartonshire

Looks like my 2020 birthday will be in Edinburgh.

As North Lanarkshire has mainly seen a rise in cases in the Motherwell, Bellshill, Coatbridge, and Airdrie areas, it does seem a bit harsh for residents of Cumbernauld and Kilsyth to be included in the now Tier/Level 4 restrictions.

Nobody who I have met while out with the dog, visiting the local convenience store, or in the town centre has had coronavirus or displayed any symptoms. As both Cumbernauld and Kilsyth have low to medium density residential housing with plenty of green spaces, this may have played a part in keeping the R rate down.

I would like to mention that both Cumbernauld and Kilsyth have never been a part of Lanarkshire (county). Before the days of Strathclyde Regional Council, Kilsyth was in Stirlingshire and Cumbernauld was in Dunbartonshire, hence how Cumbernauld and Kilsyth District Council came into being as a part of Strathclyde Regional Council.

Perhaps rather than having restrictions by health board or local council, maybe it should be done by postcode?

 

[nlogax]

Tier 4 here from Friday. Half expecting to get fined when I drive back to London in ten days or so, but whatever. I no longer care.

 

[Ian Cunningham]

They actually did have a choice and could have decided not to implement any more restrictions because shock horror - there are things other than COVID and people should be allowed to make their own decisions as we live in a free, democratic society not a dictatorship.

We do live in a free democratic society with a government (referring to ScotGov) that was democratically elected to run the country.
We also have laws (lots of them) many of which are there because an individual's decisions can impact others. We restrict speed on roads, severely punish drink driving , have H&S rules etc because these requirements and restrictions are needed for the greater good and better functioning of society as a whole

With Covid an individual's decisions can have serious consequences for others (up to causing death) even when there is no intent to do so. An individual can choose to accept a certain amount of risk but you can't make that decision for others or force yours onto them

 

[221129]

we live in a free, democratic society not a dictatorship

I think you misunderstand what democracy means...

 

[HSTEd]

Unfortunately this idea that people's choices affect others so the state should have control has been steadily escalating for years.

Coronavirus is just the latest symptom of the absurd levels to which it has escalated.
Except ofcourse when the people benefiting from the action are the old and rich members of the ruling class.

Ultimately the ruling class now view the population as chattel that exists to serve them and has no rights beyond that.
They have knowingly chosen to liquidate vast numbers of people, mostly young and poor, to save themselves from the virus.

 

[Scotrail12]

BBC News 5 days ago:

The virus has caused the death of 33 people under 45 years of age, but no-one under 15 years old has died from Covid-19 in Scotland, according to the NRS.

So why are under 45's on lockdown? I'm sorry but we are being screwed and it is no way comparable to drink driving which can have severe consequences for anyone.

 

[kez19]

We do live in a free democratic society with a government (referring to ScotGov) that was democratically elected to run the country.
We also have laws (lots of them) many of which are there because an individual's decisions can impact others. We restrict speed on roads, severely punish drink driving , have H&S rules etc because these requirements and restrictions are needed for the greater good and better functioning of society as a whole

With Covid an individual's decisions can have serious consequences for others (up to causing death) even when there is no intent to do so. An individual can choose to accept a certain amount of risk but you can't make that decision for others or force yours onto them

Yet Magaret Ferrier who travelled maybe expelled from the SNP but is still in the job, her actions hasn't had much of a consequence has it in reality? Had it be you or me doing this we be fined and sent to court (doubt jailed) but we are edging closer to that aren't we?

We elect councillors to listen to the public or from my own perspective where I live they just please themselves with pet projects or if you complain about something slow to do it or not too bothered about it. (so what is the point if they are asking for opinions on something when it seems pretty much a stitch up as they'll go ahead with it anyway), that not democratic thats just telling the public, thank you for wasting your time we already settled it and don't care if you said no we just said yes to it anyway!

Yet I could argue the toss on masks -- we have certain people in society who act more thug like if someone doesn't do what is told, for me shouldn't it be we should be questioning more than taking as face value?, I am questioning this more as it drags out, my opinion back in March was I was OK with what both governments we're doing, now not so much - just seems to be a fanfare between politicians/media - lets whip up a frenzy the public will feel the consequnces whilst us (MPs) won't.

Its the same in terms of the vaccine, may I suggest all politicians go first?

They actually did have a choice and could have decided not to implement any more restrictions because shock horror - there are things other than COVID and people should be allowed to make their own decisions as we live in a free, democratic society not a dictatorship.

The other thing that strikes me with this, was Nicola Sturgeon was quick to clampdown on Aberdeen in terms of numbers, blaming certain people for the numbers as well as football players of that area.

In Glasgow (possibly some surrounding areas), she has basically dragged it out when she could have nipped in the bud at the first instance a la Aberdeen but chose not too.

I agree we live in a free democratic society but I have to wonder if it is that, as I have stated before (may not be in this thread), but it is always one rule for the public and another for the MP's.

 

[Yew]

Tier 4 areas are as follows:
City of Glasgow, Renfrewshire, East Renfrewshire, East Dunbartonshire, West Dunbartonshire, North Lanarkshire, South Lanarkshire, East Ayrshire, South Ayrshire, Stirling & West Lothian

From Friday.

Thanks Wee Nippy, history will never forget you.

Glad to see that the circuit breaker lockdown was successful then!

 

[Scotrail12]

How much do you think they will fine people who break the new law of travelling?