This is a totally crazy thing to say. I'm afraid you're deeply detached from reality. Those complaints aren't from remainers - they're from people who sell seed potatoes and meat preparations to EU customers whose business is contracting. Many of them weren't remainers even in 2016. You will come up with any excuse to bash criticisms of the (demonstrably poorer) outcome though, as I've suggested before. Personally I have zero interest in the regulations around meat preparations or seed potatoes. However I do have an interest in protecting British businesses (unlike the Conservative Party, it appears).
So it's blind faith then that the government will just... stop doing what it's doing now and start doing the opposite again at some future point? OK then.
Absolutely. And if you sell seed potatoes? I literally just explained this to you, I'm not interested in them at all. But I'm not likely to lose my job over the lost sales. Of course the government could compensate these firms but I wouldn't want to be paying taxes to waste more money on Brexit, and they aren't proposing to do that anyway. So the only real solution is for the government to find new customers for these firms. Good luck with that...
That'll probably be because there is a left-wing argument for leaving, which is on the basis the EU is a [regulated] capitalist organisation and Corbyn and others of that alignment are very anti-capitalist, and potentially why large leave voter numbers exist in Labour (or now formerly Labour) heartlands. The problem they had though was the money went into the warlord capitalist view of leaving the EU to try and deregulate the UK economy, so their arguments were drowned out by the smokescreens of foreigners, sovereignty, fishing, etc. I don't know if Corbyn realised it was better to remain than let the latter form of capitalism take hold via leaving the EU, but if he did he didn't do a very good job selling this and presenting evidence of it (or getting others with better credibility to sell it).
The best thing of course is that people will be waiting for forever and a day for those vaccuum cleaners to return, while the market access is lost on day one.
Why? No reason we couldn't have negotiated this access and left the EU. Who says we had to give this access up? That wasn't a condition of Brexit. This was a decision taken by the government.
I think you'll find we're talking about the effect of Brexit on trade and regulations, rather than Brexit itself, which of course is in the past and irrelevant now.
The simple fact is that there are numerous concrete downsides and - so far - I've not heard any concrete upsides. I'm all ears if you can explain the concrete benefits of Brexit. How are people going to be better off in their day-to-day lives?
Ok. Before we head on back into the Brexit subject there’s a couple of provisos...
First off let’s keep it civil obviously. Because before we locked it last time it had very much become a thread that was generating many arguments and needed a lot of work from us to keep it on topic as it was often the same people arguing the same points over and over again without anyone ever conceding anything.
If it’s getting heated, take a breath and go and look at something more relaxing for a while (like the Disputes and Prosecutions section maybe).
Secondly, things have obviously moved on since we locked the last one and although many people don’t like the fact that it’s happening (although also plenty of people do), we need to pick things up from where they are now, and endlessly raking over the original decision to leave will without a doubt cause this thread to become bogged down in the same kind of arguing again.
The adoption of SI units had plainly defined, easily realised trade benefits. Sure it had costs but it was agreed by all that the net benefits would be worth it. Where are those, in this trade deal?
The Brexit referundem didn't have to be taken any notice of by the UK government either. It wasn't legally binding. They choose to go along with the result though, which I guess is fair enough.
One reason for Brexit was to stop governments supporting measures in Europe that they liked but knew they would not get past their backbenchers but for the fait accompli of it being European Law.
Nothing's had a chance to happen yet. But that's not to say it won't in future. There will already be some checks between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK, and Scotland reverting to the EU would surely introduce at least as many on the border with England. That's arguably manageable for Northern Ireland because accessing it involves a sea crossing, but for Scotland a land border that's currently invisible would become very much a barrier.
