GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[MatthewRead]

The units don't need route knowledge ?!

I meant for drivers.

 

[JN114]

I meant for drivers.

It doesn’t matter what traction they drive to retain route knowledge, and in many cases they don’t need to actually drive at all - the drivers can keep up route knowledge whether they’re on a 158, a 166, or a high quality Korean-made blu-ray player.

 

[RPI]

Most Exeter crews also work to Bristol/Cardiff so their traction knowledge should still be retained even if the Turbo work at Exeter dries up for a short while

 

[REVUpminster]

At the risk of being told this is in the wrong place.



When the depot is fully up and running it looks like it can do some major work with a three car lifting road. Change bogies anyway. The whole depot is being reconfigured for 3 coach trains. It was the best depot on BR at keeping 143s serviceable.

 

[Apedlar12]

166214 ran down to Exeter this morning from Bristol on an ECS move as the 166 booked Exmouth to Paignton diagram is being reinstated again to help keep driver competency up from what I have heard.

The rotation of 166s on 2M72/2C97 each night will also resume again now.

166214 today:

5Z76 10:20 Bristol TM to Exeter St Davids
2F17 12:50 Exeter St Davids to Exmouth
2T20 13:23 Exmouth to Paignton
2F25 15:52 Paignton to Exmouth
2T28 17:24 Exmouth to Paignton
2E34 19:50 Paignton to Exeter St Davids
2M72 21:11 Exeter St Davids to Bristol TM

 

[Jim]

166203 today on Devon Branches, 220 lined up for Friday.

 

[Charlie Smythe]

166203 today on Devon Branches, 220 lined up for Friday.

Caught a shot of a 165/166 (couldn't see) along Exminster straight yesterday. Sounded bad with it's wheel flats.

 

[Apedlar12]

Caught a shot of a 165/166 (couldn't see) along Exminster straight yesterday. Sounded bad with it's wheel flats.

166214 that would have been.

 

[REVUpminster]

!66203 at Paignton tonight. The ridiculous thing is the train arrives 1908 and leaves 1950 42 minutes later.
There is already a Xcountry in platform 1
The next train arrives in platform 2 is another local arrives in platform 2 1959 and leaves 2003 4 minutes later.
While this train leaves the Xcountry shunts out of platform 1 and back into platform 2 to depart at 2020.

 

[PHILIPE]

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!66203 at Paignton tonight. The ridiculous thing is the train arrives 1908 and leaves 1950 42 minutes later.
There is already a Xcountry in platform 1
The next train arrives in platform 2 is another local arrives in platform 2 1959 and leaves 2003 4 minutes later.
While this train leaves the Xcountry shunts out of platform 1 and back into platform 2 to depart at 2020.

What is the matter with that. The XC has a long time to wait before it goes back so arriving in Platform 1 and staying there out of the way until it's time to depart from Platform 2 is the sensible thing to do. The 2 x GW trains have Platform 2 to themselves to arrive and depart. You realise that you can't go back to Torquay from Platform 1 as there is no cross over.

 

[Charlie Smythe]

166214 that would have been.

Thank you. It really does make quite a racket when passing at those speeds.

What is the matter with that. The XC has a long time to wait before it goes back so arriving in Platform 1 and staying there out of the way until it's time to depart from Platform 2 is the sensible thing to do. The 2 x GW trains have Platform 2 to themselves to arrive and depart. You realise that you can't go back to Torquay from Platform 1 as there is no cross over.

What Paignton needs is a trailing crossover to work along side the facing one, similar to what was there in steams days but without the diamonds. It amazes me that a crossover hasn't be installed. It would prevent awkward shunting and would allow arrivals and departures from both platforms, like most termi are capable off.

 

[REVUpminster]

What is the matter with that. The XC has a long time to wait before it goes back so arriving in Platform 1 and staying there out of the way until it's time to depart from Platform 2 is the sensible thing to do. The 2 x GW trains have Platform 2 to themselves to arrive and depart. You realise that you can't go back to Torquay from Platform 1 as there is no cross over.

It's not the problem with the XCountry but the gap of 42 minute wait and one waiting 4 minutes does not lend itself to a clockface future timetable.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

It's not the problem with the XCountry but the gap of 42 minute wait and one waiting 4 minutes does not lend itself to a clockface future timetable.

It’s the Cross Country which puts the local service off pattern, generally the local trains depart Paignton at around xx20 and xx.50.

To provide the path for the 20.20 XC you will note what would be the 20.20 local service leaves earlier at 20.03 and then dwells at Newton Abbot to allow the XC service to overtake.

As long as Paignton rightly warrants Intercity services you will never get a clock-face local service. On the whole the service pattern is pretty reasonable through the day and a vast improvement from the previous hourly local service.

 

[Charlie Smythe]

How many Intercity services are there each way at Paignton? Are they fairly well used?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

How many Intercity services are there each way at Paignton? Are they fairly well used?

Its slightly difficult to benchmark with the current Covid timetables, but if you take the pre Covid arrangements it was about 3 XC train pairs to/from the Midlands and a 3 train pairs to/from London.

Certainly outside the depths of winter they are as well used as any other Intercity services on average. There was an XC consultation a couple of years back to take out direct trains to Torbay and that went down like a dead balloon!

 

[Charlie Smythe]

Its slightly difficult to benchmark with the current Covid timetables, but if you take the pre Covid arrangements it was about 3 XC train pairs to/from the Midlands and a 3 train pairs to/from London.

Certainly outside the depths of winter they are as well used as any other Intercity services on average. There was an XC consultation a couple of years back to take out direct trains to Torbay and that went down like a dead balloon!

6 trains each way per day was more than I thought.

I remember they consultation and yes, it certainly had some resistance. The long distance services definitely serve a market that the local stoppers just cannot.

 

[REVUpminster]

During covid Paignton has lost it's Paddington service and the XCountry has been cut back to Bristol except for the last which goes to Birmingham as it always has.

Torquay and Paignton are the third and fourth biggest towns in Devon. Torbay is bigger in area and population than Exeter (2nd biggest town) although is fast catching up.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

During covid Paignton has lost it's Paddington service and the XCountry has been cut back to Bristol except for the last which goes to Birmingham as it always has.

That is because these trains primarily serve the leisure market and whilst we have non-essential travel restrictions in place this trains are somewhat superfluous.

 

[RPI]

The Sunday Paignton Paddington was still running although not sure if that changed in last couple of weeks

 

[PHILIPE]

The Sunday Paignton Paddington was still running although not sure if that changed in last couple of weeks

One running and one cancelled

 

[Apedlar12]

The Sunday Paignton Paddington was still running although not sure if that changed in last couple of weeks

Believe it is operating as Bristol TM to Paignton and then to London Paddington currently:

1C12 1307 Bristol Temple Meads to Paignton
1A28 1559 Paignton to London Paddington

 

[Jim]

Its slightly difficult to benchmark with the current Covid timetables, but if you take the pre Covid arrangements it was about 3 XC train pairs to/from the Midlands and a 3 train pairs to/from London.

Certainly outside the depths of winter they are as well used as any other Intercity services on average. There was an XC consultation a couple of years back to take out direct trains to Torbay and that went down like a dead balloon!

Aside from the Cornwalls, the 1035 Padd-Paignton last summer was one of the heaviest loading trains out of Padd I'd say!

 

[Charlie Smythe]

Aside from the Cornwalls, the 1035 Padd-Paignton last summer was one of the heaviest loading trains out of Padd I'd say!

In normal times ie. before Covid and on a summer Saturday, are the trains 5, 9 or 10 cars ?

The Torbay Express was always a long train (load 13 normally) but those were the old days.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

In normal times ie. before Covid and on a summer Saturday, are the trains 5, 9 or 10 cars ?

The Torbay Express was always a long train (load 13 normally) but those were the old days.

The Pad - Paigntons are 9 cars (10 cars block back over the level crossing.

 

[Charlie Smythe]

The Pad - Paigntons are 9 cars (10 cars block back over the level crossing.

Thank you. Good they Paignton requires that length of train.

Which one is it that is named “The Torbay Express”? I know they did it with the HST’s but is the IET service still named?

 

[RPI]

Aside from the Cornwalls, the 1035 Padd-Paignton last summer was one of the heaviest loading trains out of Padd I'd say!

May have been out of pad but never particularly well loaded after Exeter, it was the first Super Off-Peak train for the west country

 

[REVUpminster]

Torbay Express was always a bit of a misnomer as it stopped everywhere.

 

[yorkie]

Can we please stick to GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams in this thread please

We do welcome discussion on any other point on this forum but we just ask that you create a new thread (if there isn't one already) or use an existing one (if there is) rather than this thread.

Thanks!

 

[REVUpminster]

166202 working 2T12 arrive Paignton 1049 leave 1154 as 2F17. 65 minute layover time. Plenty of time for a meal relief; shame all the pubs are shut.

 

[route101]

Been out the loop, do any GWR 165s or 166s make it to Paddington now?