TrainTrackJack
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1000 quid? Surely an entire cab would fetch less than that!!!
Dreamers and tyre kickers. Nothing will come from this.1000 quid? Surely an entire cab would fetch less than that!!!
Certainly doesn’t sound like a good sign to me…I noticed this week that both 'The Class 315 Preservation Company Ltd' and 'The Class 315 Restoration Company Ltd' were dissolved last month. I'm not quite sure what the connection is between these two companies and the Preservation Society , but all the directors of the Preservation Company and Restoration Company and part of 'The Team' listed on the Class 315 Preservation Society's website. Anyone know if it will have any effect on the preservation attempt?
Exactly. In all honesty, the way they behave across their social media platforms and literally beg people for money, you can tell they’re not really sure what they’re doing…Probably not a good sign but not surprising
No doubt if anyone asks this on their facebook group they will be banned (I was banned for pointing out the email addresses they listed has spaces in them)
I always had the impression they felt they deserve and are entitled to a unit because they drove them.Exactly. In all honesty, the way they behave across their social media platforms and literally beg people for money, you can tell they’re not really sure what they’re doing…
Spot on - besides 313201 is being preserved by the NRM. End of the day, a PEP’s a PEP; not like we’re missing out on much.I always had the impression they felt they deserve and are entitled to a unit because they drove them.
No business plan, no long term plan, and any knowledgeable questions met with responses about non disclosure agreements etc.
Is it? First, just because something is designated it doesn't mean the NRM will take it. There's also been occasions where a full train has been designated and just part of it has ultimately been take by the museum: for example, a full HST set was designated, but that's been reduced to two power cars and a buffet car. Second, I can't find a mention of a 313 unit on the RHDAB website: https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org....2020/10/RHC-Designated-Items-Publish-2020.pdfSpot on - besides 313201 is being preserved by the NRM. End of the day, a PEP’s a PEP; not like we’re missing out on much.
442401...Is it? First, just because something is designated it doesn't mean the NRM will take it. There's also been occasions where a full train has been designated and just part of it has ultimately been take by the museum: for example, a full HST set was designated, but that's been reduced to two power cars and a buffet car. Second, I can't find a mention of a 313 unit on the RHDAB website: https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org....2020/10/RHC-Designated-Items-Publish-2020.pdf
Nothing else to add here - spot-on.I always had the impression they felt they deserve and are entitled to a unit because they drove them.
No business plan, no long term plan, and any knowledgeable questions met with responses about non disclosure agreements etc.
You can’t say this for certain either, so why not wait and see what happens…Is it? First, just because something is designated it doesn't mean the NRM will take it. There's also been occasions where a full train has been designated and just part of it has ultimately been take by the museum: for example, a full HST set was designated, but that's been reduced to two power cars and a buffet car. Second, I can't find a mention of a 313 unit on the RHDAB website: https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org....2020/10/RHC-Designated-Items-Publish-2020.pdf
Can you offer some evidence that a 313 has been designated? I’m not sure that RHDAB is necessarily up-to-date, so it might have been since - but confirmation would be good.You can’t say this for certain either, so why not wait and see what happens…
Is it? First, just because something is designated it doesn't mean the NRM will take it. There's also been occasions where a full train has been designated and just part of it has ultimately been take by the museum: for example, a full HST set was designated, but that's been reduced to two power cars and a buffet car. Second, I can't find a mention of a 313 unit on the RHDAB website: https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org....2020/10/RHC-Designated-Items-Publish-2020.pdf
I take umbrage at the paternalistic attitude that the historical importance of items can be objectively determined.(and this is something that will be wildly disputed by enthusiasts, but rightfully is in the hands of qualified, curatorial professionals)
But in practice the same thing, since museums usually don't keep de-designated items and "disposal" in a museum context usually means looking for someone else to take the item, not destruction.then it may be disposed of, or 'de-designated' (these are two separate things).
Given the junk that is included on the RHDAB list, and the junk undoubtedly stored at the NRM "for the nation" but never likely to see the light of day again, I'd dispute that about curatorial professionals.Railway Designation is something wildly misunderstood. If it can be demonstrated that an artefact doesn't contribute anything to the wider railway story (and this is something that will be wildly disputed by enthusiasts, but rightfully is in the hands of qualified, curatorial professionals) then it may be disposed of, or 'de-designated' (these are two separate things).
Fully agreed on this point.In many cases, it is often better for vehicles that are hoped to operate, or to be preserved in a way that enthusiasts wish them to be, to not be designated - this removes much of the red tape and allows more intrusive restoration or alteration, rather than conservation.
The VSOE sleepers have been fitted with air conditioning precisely to cater for a modern audience.In many cases, it is often better for vehicles that are hoped to operate, or to be preserved in a way that enthusiasts wish them to be, to not be designated - this removes much of the red tape and allows more intrusive restoration or alteration, rather than conservation.
Posted further up the thread - this doesn’t bring much hope (as expected by many) as to the preservation of a 315…I dont know if this has been posted yet but the 315 Preservation company has been dissolved as of 19/04/2022..