Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

[Bus9120UK]

Lothian seem to have added a new feature for 466-495 on the app

Yes, they have also implemented icons for 291-294 and travelhubs. This is only available on Apple devices.

 

[alexf380]

They've also added a feature where you can plan a trip to specific shows/events and venues for the Fringe this year, which is a nice wee addition.

 

[LothianBusesPh]

Lothian seem to have added a new feature for 466-495 on the app

Pretty Cool, yet subtle.

 

[Lothianbus703]

If lothian placed an order for articulated buses would they probably be for the 30?

 

[Blindtraveler]

That would certainly be the route that would make most sense, although I can think of one or two others that might also benefit.

 

[Andyh82]

If lothian placed an order for articulated buses would they probably be for the 30?

I think this post is about 20 years too late

 

[scosutsut]

If lothian placed an order for articulated buses would they probably be for the 30?

The A1 works beside Fort Kinnaird / Queen Margaret University are largely expected to allow a 30 re-route to avoid the low bridge so I doubt it.

They've played with artics in the past and they haven't caught on. They are expensive, rare and generally vilified by UK media so I wouldn't bank on it happening.

 

[Darklord8899]

The A1 works beside Fort Kinnaird / Queen Margaret University are largely expected to allow a 30 re-route to avoid the low bridge so I doubt it.

They've played with artics in the past and they haven't caught on. They are expensive, rare and generally vilified by UK media so I wouldn't bank on it happening.

Indeed, many major European cities use artics and are the bulk of the fleet as well! Even places that run double artic buses, which I seeing whizzing about city streets and negotiating bends and obstacles with what seems relative ease ^_^

 

[overthewater]

Does look like it wil be 11th September for the service changes,

FROM https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services

• PM0000002/98 Cancelled​

  LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED
  Route: Gyle Centre to George Street East End via Corstorphine, Haymarket, Hillside, Leith
  Service number: 12
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  Effective date: 11 Sep 2022

• PM0000002/54 Cancelled​

  LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED
  Route: Craigleith Sainsbury's to Marine Roundabout or North Junction Street via Portobello, Craigmillar Crossroads, Cameron Toll Roundabout, West Mains, Gifford Park,
  Service number: 42
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  Effective date: 11 Sep 2022

• PM0000002/45 Cancelled​

  LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED
  Route: Edinburgh Airport to Edinburgh, Bread Street via RBS Gogarburn, Sighthill, Slateford Station, Ingliston Vaccination Centre
  Service number: 300
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  Effective date: 11 Sep 2022

 

[Bus9120UK]

Does look like it wil be 11th September for the service changes,

FROM https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services

• PM0000002/98 Cancelled​

  LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED
  Route: Gyle Centre to George Street East End via Corstorphine, Haymarket, Hillside, Leith
  Service number: 12
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  Effective date: 11 Sep 2022

• PM0000002/54 Cancelled​

  LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED
  Route: Craigleith Sainsbury's to Marine Roundabout or North Junction Street via Portobello, Craigmillar Crossroads, Cameron Toll Roundabout, West Mains, Gifford Park,
  Service number: 42
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  Effective date: 11 Sep 2022

• PM0000002/45 Cancelled​

  LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED
  Route: Edinburgh Airport to Edinburgh, Bread Street via RBS Gogarburn, Sighthill, Slateford Station, Ingliston Vaccination Centre
  Service number: 300
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  Effective date: 11 Sep 2022

https://www.vehicle-operator-licens...2d80707fd25b-95ce238c9c57a2db10efa30296674d10 also has a new registration:

PM0000002/573 New

LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED

12

Gyle Centre

King's Road or North Junction Street

12 & 42 to be merged from what it looks like.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/bus/search/?text[search]=PM0000002&filter[trafficArea]=&filter[busRegStatus]=New&search=PM0000002&searchBy=&security=ffdeac136440195fdc312d80707fd25b-95ce238c9c57a2db10efa30296674d10 also has a new registration:



12 & 42 to be merged from what it looks like.

Oh no the 300 is being cancelled, who saw that one coming?

If the 12 is being extended to Portobello again will it potentially run via Seafield ahain?

Oh no the 300 is being cancelled, who saw that one coming?

If the 12 is being extended to Portobello again will it potentially run via Seafield ahain?

Edit: never mind I just noticed it was running via the 42 route from town!

 

[stevenedin]

There goes any chance of the 12 being extended back to Ratho. Possibly the 22 could be extended there.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

There goes any chance of the 12 being extended back to Ratho. Possibly the 22 could be extended there.

Unless the bus is turning green and cream I doubt it unfortunatel!

 

[stevenedin]

Possibly the 22 may turn up Frederick Street and run to Craigleith to complete the other part of the 42 route (I haven’t heard of anything about this just an idea I had in my head).

 

[Blindtraveler]

There never seems to be anybody on the 12 whenever I use it and I'm sure that the fact that it terminates in the city centre in a rather strange place has a lot to do with this, not to mention it it's rather weird and wonderful root in the west but this I know is there for a reason as on some sections it's the only bus.

I would be surprised if they left the city centre to Sainsbury's section on serviced so watch this space. Can't say I'm particularly shocked that the 300 is going it's been coming for a while

 

[Andyh82]

I bet it’ll be the entire 42 route, then from Craigleith to Western Corner via the 38 route before picking up the current 12 route to the Gyle Centre.

 

[Bus9120UK]

There never seems to be anybody on the 12 whenever I use it and I'm sure that the fact that it terminates in the city centre in a rather strange place has a lot to do with this, not to mention it it's rather weird and wonderful root in the west but this I know is there for a reason as on some sections it's the only bus.

As a local, every single 12 I travel on has mid-full loads. I was on one just a few minutes ago, many passengers onboard. It's by sheer luck you've experienced this service with nobody on it.

 

[cammyeaston]

I bet it’ll be the entire 42 route, then from Craigleith to Western Corner via the 38 route before picking up the current 12 route to the Gyle Centre.

The registration has the route running via Haymarket.

 

[CN04NRJ]

There never seems to be anybody on the 12 whenever I use it and I'm sure that the fact that it terminates in the city centre in a rather strange place has a lot to do with this, not to mention it it's rather weird and wonderful root in the west but this I know is there for a reason as on some sections it's the only bus.

I would be surprised if they left the city centre to Sainsbury's section on serviced so watch this space. Can't say I'm particularly shocked that the 300 is going it's been coming for a while

It can be a busy service, if anything during the summer they should run deckers on it to assist with the zoo/general Corstorphine corridor.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

The registration has the route running via Haymarket.

So will it run to town down Frederick street and then Haymarket or will it run the 2 route through Grassmarket?

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

This revised 12 will surely run as the current 12 route Gyle to George Street then as the 42 route from there to King’s Road and the same in reverse. I’d imagine the combined route will run from Marine with potentially the later evening service between Gyle and George Street withdrawn. Frequency I’d expect to reduce to every 30 minutes across the whole route. This was actually a change I suggested at random a few weeks back so it’s good to see they’re implementing it, a fluke of course.

As for the 300 we all know that’s been well overdue.

 

[CN04NRJ]

The registration has the route running via Haymarket.

No longer going to Craigleith.

 

[Blindtraveler]

I stand very much corrected where the 12 is concerned. It is I will confess not one of my local buses and I don't use it frequently, but on the last three occasions that I have it's been very empty and on one of them in particular, a run from the stop nearest to the Ibis budget into Princess Street I was the only passenger for the entire trip, 8 p.m. ish on a Thursday night. But it's good to know that it is busy. Seems a very sensible use of resources both vehicle and driver wise combining it with the 42 section from city to kings road etc. I wonder how it will behave in the town after it has served stop PE on Princes Street

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

I wonder how it will behave in the town after it has served stop PE on Princes Street

I would think it will be changed to stop at PC instead, in line with the 41. So from Haymarket: HB, HD*, SB*, PC, GG, GK and MD towards King’s Road and then GP, GS, PX, SE, SG, HJ towards the Gyle.

They may opt to swap HD/SB for HC/SA, I’m unsure though.

 

[computerSaysNo]

There's been an awful lot of East Coast B8RLEs driving out of service this evening, including two out of service at Portobello going towards Musselburgh. Are there normally this many running empty? I got the impression from the timetable that most of the vehicles on the X7 turned into a 106 at Dunbar to get back to the garage, or overnighted at North Berwick.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

There's been an awful lot of East Coast B8RLEs driving out of service this evening, including two out of service at Portobello going towards Musselburgh. Are there normally this many running empty? I got the impression from the timetable that most of the vehicles on the X7 turned into a 106 at Dunbar to get back to the garage, or overnighted at North Berwick.

If it’s where you said it is (Portobello), it will more than likely be buses being swapped between Marine and Musselburgh.

 

[computerSaysNo]

If it’s where you said it is (Portobello), it will more than likely be buses being swapped between Marine and Musselburgh.

Marine doesn't house any of the East Coast stock though does it?

 

[Bus9120UK]

Marine doesn't house any of the East Coast stock though does it?

Marine tends to store some buses overnight, at the weekend or for maintenance purposes.

 

[computerSaysNo]

Marine tends to store some buses overnight, at the weekend or for maintenance purposes.

Ahhh okay, I didn't know that, thanks.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

This revised 12 will surely run as the current 12 route Gyle to George Street then as the 42 route from there to King’s Road and the same in reverse. I’d imagine the combined route will run from Marine with potentially the later evening service between Gyle and George Street withdrawn. Frequency I’d expect to reduce to every 30 minutes across the whole route. This was actually a change I suggested at random a few weeks back so it’s good to see they’re implementing it, a fluke of course.

As for the 300 we all know that’s been well overdue.

Well I remain hopeful that this new revised service will give the people of Duddingston and Causewayside a direct link to Portobello/City on Sundays and late evenings. only downside is the poor folk of Craigleith Centre only having the 38 to resort too, once the news gets out to the public I gather it’ll not have a super positive response.

Wonder what other service changes we could expect, hopefully an improvement on the 15